The Transgender Fad

[AProudLefty]

You are WRONG. Gender dysphoria often goes away. Look it up. No one has figured out exactly how often it goes away. But the EXPERTS AGREE that it often goes away. You are WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Still no citation.

 

[Lisa]

Still no citation.

I support the idea that transgendered people are not having to fight for a diagnosis but it is too the point that every child who shows any inclination of gender dysphoria gets that diagnosis, despite the fact that many are misdiagnosed and were never trans to begin or possibly might be non-binary with just because they questioned the boundaries of rigid with gender roles as a child. A child or adult who is truly transgendered will never grow out of it.

 

[AProudLefty]

I support the idea that transgendered people are not having to fight for a diagnosis but it is too the point that every child who shows any inclination of gender dysphoria gets that diagnosis, despite the fact that many are misdiagnosed and were never trans to begin or possibly might be non-binary with just because they questioned the boundaries of rigid with gender roles as a child. A child or adult who is truly transgendered will never grow out of it.

Yeah I agree. They have to be extremely careful in diagnosing those children.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Still no citation.

Is your google broken?:?

 

[Lisa]

Yeah I agree. They have to be extremely careful in diagnosing those children.

They should only be observed and may be tested until they are close too the age for treatment. A child can dress how they want because there are no long term problems with wearing what makes them comfortable. Those who seek treatment close to that time need to be tested very carefully so they don't miss or confused one situation for another.

I am guessing that many more children are being seen as non-binary by parents and somehow that is being diagnosed as transgender when it is not. Refusing to abide by conservative gender roles does not make a person transgendered. Neither does crossdressing or being gay or bi.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yeah I agree. They have to be extremely careful in diagnosing those children.

They have NO way to predict who will grow out of gender dysphoria. It doesn't matter how careful they are -- they are likely to diagnose it wrong.

 

[Good4Nothin]

They should only be observed and may be tested until they are close too the age for treatment. A child can dress how they want because there are no long term problems with wearing what makes them comfortable. Those who seek treatment close to that time need to be tested very carefully so they don't miss or confused one situation for another.

I am guessing that many more children are being seen as non-binary by parents and somehow that is being diagnosed as transgender when it is not. Refusing to abide by conservative gender roles does not make a person transgendered. Neither does crossdressing or being gay or bi.

Right. Just because a child is a little unconventional doesn't mean they have to be shot up with drugs and hormones.

 

[AProudLefty]

Is your google broken?:?

Still no citation.

 

[AProudLefty]

They have NO way to predict who will grow out of gender dysphoria. It doesn't matter how careful they are -- they are likely to diagnose it wrong.

Transgender children do not grow out of gender dysphoria. Either they have GD or they don't. Doctors don't just decide willy-nilly.

 

[AProudLefty]

Right. Just because a child is a little unconventional doesn't mean they have to be shot up with drugs and hormones.

Hyperbole.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Transgender children do not grow out of gender dysphoria. Either they have GD or they don't. Doctors don't just decide willy-nilly.

Doctors can't be sure, because no one has found a way to predict whether or not it will persist to adulthood. Doctors don't have magic powers, you know. Sometimes they act confident when they aren't sure, because patients expect them to know everything.

 

[AProudLefty]

Doctors can't be sure, because no one has found a way to predict whether or not it will persist to adulthood. Doctors don't have magic powers, you know. Sometimes they act confident when they aren't sure, because patients expect them to know everything.

So your suggestion is not to treat them?

 

[Good4Nothin]

So your suggestion is not to treat them?

Gender Dysphoria in Children – Science-Based Medicine

"Children with gender dysphoria are suffering. Some of them have coexisting mental health disorders, some of them are bullied, and some of them attempt suicide. They should be treated with compassion and not with false assurances that gender transition will reliably solve their problems. We can’t predict whose dysphoria will persist into adulthood. We can offer counselling, use medical treatments cautiously, and delay irreversible surgeries until the child is truly able to give informed consent. Perhaps the best solution would be for society to reject the 2-gender dichotomy, accept that gender is a spectrum, and be more accepting of individual differences in feelings and behaviors that fall anywhere along that spectrum. Until that happens, we should indeed tread carefully."

 

[Lisa]

Right. Just because a child is a little unconventional doesn't mean they have to be shot up with drugs and hormones.

I said the opposite. If a child is actually transgendered it is not just being unconventional. If a child is non-binary or transvestite then they are not transgendered. Those situations are not treated with any sort of hormone or blockers. If the person is transgendered then they need those hormones for effective treatment because the transitioning of the body to match their psychological gender identity is necessary prior to surgery and for them to be comfortable in their body.

If you had a Ph.D. in psychology you would know this.

 

[AProudLefty]

Gender Dysphoria in Children – Science-Based Medicine

"Children with gender dysphoria are suffering. Some of them have coexisting mental health disorders, some of them are bullied, and some of them attempt suicide. They should be treated with compassion and not with false assurances that gender transition will reliably solve their problems. We can’t predict whose dysphoria will persist into adulthood. We can offer counselling, use medical treatments cautiously, and delay irreversible surgeries until the child is truly able to give informed consent. Perhaps the best solution would be for society to reject the 2-gender dichotomy, accept that gender is a spectrum, and be more accepting of individual differences in feelings and behaviors that fall anywhere along that spectrum. Until that happens, we should indeed tread carefully."

"Some of them have coexisting mental health disorders, some of them are bullied, and some of them attempt suicide." That is used to be a problem in the gay community. No one denies the problem in the transgender community.

"use medical treatments cautiously" Didn't Lisa and I say that?

"delay irreversible surgeries until the child is truly able to give informed consent." That is a lie. The author is a doctor and should be ashamed for spreading that lie. They do not do irreversible surgeries on the children.

"we should indeed tread carefully". So she's for hormones therapy only if necessary. You're proving our point.

 

[Lisa]

"Some of them have coexisting mental health disorders, some of them are bullied, and some of them attempt suicide." That is used to be a problem in the gay community. No one denies the problem in the transgender community.

"use medical treatments cautiously" Didn't Lisa and I say that?

"delay irreversible surgeries until the child is truly able to give informed consent." That is a lie. The author is a doctor and should be ashamed for spreading that lie. They do not do irreversible surgeries on the children.

"We should indeed tread carefully". So she's for hormone therapy only if necessary. You're proving our point.

This site linked by G4N is questionable because they have many half-truths.

Gender surgery isn't considered until the patient is 17-18. They are adults at that point.

 

[Good4Nothin]

"Some of them have coexisting mental health disorders, some of them are bullied, and some of them attempt suicide." That is used to be a problem in the gay community. No one denies the problem in the transgender community.

"use medical treatments cautiously" Didn't Lisa and I say that?

"delay irreversible surgeries until the child is truly able to give informed consent." That is a lie. The author is a doctor and should be ashamed for spreading that lie. They do not do irreversible surgeries on the children.

"we should indeed tread carefully". So she's for hormones therapy only if necessary. You're proving our point.

She NEVER said she is for hormone "therapy." WHERE in that article does it say she is for it? You interpret everything through your extreme bias.

 

[Good4Nothin]

This site linked by G4N is questionable because they have many half-truths.

Gender surgery isn't considered until the patient is 17-18. They are adults at that point.

The Sciencebasedmedicine blog is VERY mainstream. They most certainly are NOT Christian or conservative! Just the opposite.

But you will find fault with anyone who doesn't go along with transgender activism.

 

[AProudLefty]

She NEVER said she is for hormone "therapy." WHERE in that article does it say she is for it? You interpret everything through your extreme bias.

Um if you would re read carefully, she said medical treatments. What kind of medical treatments?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Um if you would re read carefully, she said medical treatments. What kind of medical treatments?

She said TREAD CAREFULLY. She did NOT advocate the treatments.

 

[AProudLefty]

She said TREAD CAREFULLY. She did NOT advocate the treatments.

Then tell me what kind of medical treatments she was referring to.

 

[Good4Nothin]

What’s Missing From the Conversation About Trans Kids

[“Desistance,” in this context, means the tendency for gender dysphoria to resolve itself as a child gets older and older. All else being equal, this research suggests that the most likely outcome for a child with gender dysphoria is that they will grow up to be cisgender and gay or bisexual. Researchers don’t know why that is, but it appears that in some kids, nascent homo- or bisexuality manifests itself as gender dysphoria. In others, gender dysphoria can arise as a result of some sort of trauma or other unresolved psychological issue, and goes away either with time or counseling. And in still others, of course, it is a sign that the child will identify as transgender for their whole adult life. While the actual percentages vary from study to study, overall, it appears that about 80 percent of kids with gender dysphoria end up feeling okay, in the long run, with the bodies they were born into.]

 

[Lisa]

The Sciencebasedmedicine blog is VERY mainstream. They most certainly are NOT Christian or conservative! Just the opposite.

But you will find fault with anyone who doesn't go along with transgender activism.

There is no such thing as transgendered activism. Nobody wants a child to be transgendered but they do want transgender people to be treated medically both respectfully and not subject to religious nonsense, claims that it will go away with time or told that they are just non-binary or other nonsense. The fact that they are getting medication is not a sign of transgendered activism.

 

[Good4Nothin]

There is no such thing as transgendered activism. Nobody wants a child to be transgendered but they do want transgender people to be treated medically both respectfully and not subject to religious nonsense, claims that it will go away with time or told that they are just non-binary or other nonsense. The fact that they are getting medication is not a sign of transgendered activism.

I just posted a quote from a New York magazine article. You know, that radical fundamentalist Christian magazine.

 

[AProudLefty]

What’s Missing From the Conversation About Trans Kids

[“Desistance,” in this context, means the tendency for gender dysphoria to resolve itself as a child gets older and older. All else being equal, this research suggests that the most likely outcome for a child with gender dysphoria is that they will grow up to be cisgender and gay or bisexual. Researchers don’t know why that is, but it appears that in some kids, nascent homo- or bisexuality manifests itself as gender dysphoria. In others, gender dysphoria can arise as a result of some sort of trauma or other unresolved psychological issue, and goes away either with time or counseling. And in still others, of course, it is a sign that the child will identify as transgender for their whole adult life. While the actual percentages vary from study to study, overall, it appears that about 80 percent of kids with gender dysphoria end up feeling okay, in the long run, with the bodies they were born into.]

Now we're deflecting to trauma and other psychological problems? Those are pretty easy to detect.