The Transgender Fad

[CLAX1911]

It is not a comparison between putting on make up and transitioning. One more time, you said that there's something wrong with transgender people if they need help with transitioning.

No you did. You said they needed treatment.

 

[AProudLefty]

Now do you see how they are different? Make up is just pigment you put on your skin it doesn't require a professional at all.

Never said it requires a professional.

Transition is something you have to treat with medical.

Not always.

The two things are not in the least comparable. It seems like cognitive dissonance that you would.

Are you trying to ignore the obvious point on purpose? When a person wants to look different, by any methods, be it medical or not, you are stating that there's something wrong with them.

 

[Lisa]

Yes You are still reaffirming my position thanks.

No, I am not affirming your wild claims. You don't have a clue what you are talking about and are trying to twist the words of others in a vain attempt to save face and not have to admit that you are laughably uninformed.

 

[Good4Nothin]

This thread has gone off the rails, completely. Obviously, parts of the transgender treatments could be called cosmetic. Surgery to create breasts is considered cosmetic, but is also sometimes considered medically/psychologically necessary. Hormones that are given to change appearance could be considered cosmetic. But obviously their effects are more than cosmetic.

Why waste time playing these word games?

We were debating whether pre-teens should get puberty blocking drugs. Since a pre-teen's gender dysphoria is likely to go away during adolescence, if they are not given drugs. There isn't much research yet, but that is what it says so far.

And it is a fact that the longterm effects of puberty blockers are not known. And a lifetime of sex hormones certainly has some adverse effects. More research is needed on transgenderism.

Transgender activist websites, and politically correct mainstream sites, are declaring that puberty blockers are known to be safe. That is not true. The long term effects ARE NOT KNOWN. These drugs ACT ON THE BRAIN. That should make you stop and wonder if pre-teen children should be guinea pigs.

 

[AProudLefty]

This thread has gone off the rails, completely. Obviously, parts of the transgender treatments could be called cosmetic. Surgery to create breasts is considered cosmetic, but is also sometimes considered medically/psychologically necessary. Hormones that are given to change appearance could be considered cosmetic. But obviously their effects are more than cosmetic.

Why waste time playing these word games?

Exactly. It doesn't necessarily mean there's something wrong with them.

We were debating whether pre-teens should get puberty blocking drugs. Since a pre-teen's gender dysphoria is likely to go away during adolescence, if they are not given drugs. There isn't much research yet, but that is what it says so far.

12 and up isn't preteen.

 

[CLAX1911]

Never said it requires a professional.

Duh. Transitioning does. Do you're eating of my logic was flawed.

Not always.

Oh, so an Ftm would just magically lose their beasts and grow facial hair? So what is hormone therapy for?


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Are you trying to ignore the obvious point on purpose?[/QUOTE] No. Your point is just dumb.

When a person wants to look different, by any methods, be it medical or not, you are stating that there's something wrong with them.

There is a difference between getting a hair cut and having hormone therapy. There is nothing wrong with you if you cut your hair or wear make up. There is if you need medical treatment.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Exactly. It doesn't necessarily mean there's something wrong with them.



12 and up isn't preteen.

You love to nitpick don't you. Do you really think a 12-year-old should be given drugs when the long term effects ARE NOT KNOWN? When the 12-year-old is physically healthy, and their gender dysphoria is likely to go away after a few years.

If you think so, then you are as nuts as the rest of the transgender activists. They are motivated by their activist agenda, NOT by scientific facts.

 

[AProudLefty]

There is a difference between getting a hair cut and having hormone therapy. There is nothing wrong with you if you cut your hair or wear make up. There is if you need medical treatment.

So there's something wrong with people who need cosmetic surgery?

 

[AProudLefty]

You love to nitpick don't you. Do you really think a 12-year-old should be given drugs when the long term effects ARE NOT KNOWN? When the 12-year-old is physically healthy, and their gender dysphoria is likely to go away after a few years.

Still no citation.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, I am not affirming your wild claims.

If course not. You are affirming my position. That's why I used the word position and not claims.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about and are trying to twist the words of others in a vain attempt to save face and not have to admit that you are laughably uninformed.

Don't blame me for your ineptitude. You don't even know you are affirming my position.

 

[CLAX1911]

So there's something wrong with people who need cosmetic surgery?

Is cosmetic surgery treatment for something? If yes, then yes.

 

[AProudLefty]

Is cosmetic surgery treatment for something? If yes, then yes.

So wanting to look better or what they want to look like means there's something wrong with them? Odd.

 

[CLAX1911]

So wanting to look better or what they want to look like means there's something wrong with them? Odd.

If you're disfigured, yeah it's too correct disfigurement. It depends on if the cosmetic surgery is treatment for something. That's why I used the words "if it's treatment for something" pay attention next time.

 

[AProudLefty]

If you're disfigured, yeah it's too correct disfigurement. It depends on if the cosmetic surgery is treatment for something. That's why I used the words "if it's treatment for something" pay attention next time.

True. If they're disfigured, then there's something wrong with how they look so they need cosmetic surgery.