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The Transgender Fad

Renae said:
Some of us in the Trans community seem to like being offended at everything, Trans is the safest thing I know to use verbiage wise right now.

I think her biggest issue is that she believes "This is how it should be" and any information to the contrary cannot be so. I've seen first hand, how easy it is to get HRT, how easy it is to just skate through the process as an adult had I so chosen too. These are the "cheerleaders" of therapy that just rush people along. It shouldn't be, but if you raise a concern about it, you get call "TRANSPHOBIC" or "ANTI-LGBT" or a "GAY HATER" or in my case there are people on this forum that have accused me of faking being a trans woman. All because I dare to challenge the "narrative" they believe should be the only truth around the subject.
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There are always rogue doctors or psychologists that should be disciplined or have their license suspended or revoked because they refuse to follow established protocol. That action on their part hurts patients but we cannot assume that all Drs have a personal agenda or don't follow the established Harry Benjamin protocol. There is a difference between being supportive and not following the rules. There should not be cheerleaders or others in mental health. They should encourage the person to get the necessary care for them but they should not tip the scales or have a personal or social agenda to push people into being transgender or shortcutting the process that is there for the protection of both the Drs/psychologists and the patients. Drs and psychologists shouldn't be pushing anyone into a diagnosis or a gender role. That is the patient's choice to make as they want or feel comfortable, once they are aware of what the various differences are.

Many people do not know the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation or that someone who is non-binary might be transgendered because they don't fit into rigid gender roles.

Hormones are not just Tic-Tacs to be handed out easily and they cause serious emotional and physical problems, especially if there are underlying ideas, physical problems or mental health issues that have not been explored or addressed, which is very common in the transgender community because of bullying, harassment and ignorance.

BTW. The common term used by be transsexual but that is no longer encouraged.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
By the same reasoning, religious belief is obviously a mental illness as well as it doesn't exist anywhere else in nature.
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Nature is pretty easy to observe.

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Lisa said:
Maybe you should tell trans kids to ignore their feelings. I'm sure that will be just as effective.

Do you think that children choose to be transgender?
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But at the same time, they're not mature enough to understand the consequences. Thats why you have to wait until you're 18-20 years old before making decisions like that.
 
enderpotato00 said:
But at the same time, they're not mature enough to understand the consequences. That's why you have to wait until you're 18-20 years old before making decisions like that.
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They do make them by themselves. This is a very long process (many years) and not made over 2 office visists.
 
Lisa said:
They do make them by themselves. This is a very long process (many years) and not made over 2 office visists.
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You have already been told, many times, that gender dysphoria often resolves naturally. There probably hasn't been enough research to know with certainty exactly how often it resolves, but we have NO reason to think it is permanent in pre-teens.

The long-term effect of puberty blockers on children are not known. These drugs act on the brain, which is developing quickly at that time. Is the brain something you want to mess with?

Blockers are known to interfere with bone development. Still, you will see mainstream medical articles proclaiming that they have been proven safe, and the effects are reversible. Even though, there is no conclusive research to confirm that.

Our society has become infatuated with drugs, and we are much too trusting of the medical and drug industries. They are good at understating adverse effects and overstating benefits.

We are told that gender dysphoric children are at risk for suicide without the drugs. But there is no conclusive research showing that suicide risk decreases if the drugs are taken.

I can remember when most women were advised to take hormone replacement therapy after menopause, for their entire lives. It was assumed to be great for health, an improvement on nature. :no::doh
 
Good4Nothin said:
You have already been told, many times, that gender dysphoria often resolves naturally. There probably hasn't been enough research to know with certainty exactly how often it resolves, but we have NO reason to think it is permanent in pre-teens.

The long-term effect of puberty blockers on children are not known. These drugs act on the brain, which is developing quickly at that time. Is the brain something you want to mess with?

Blockers are known to interfere with bone development. Still, you will see mainstream medical articles proclaiming that they have been proven safe, and the effects are reversible. Even though, there is no conclusive research to confirm that.

Our society has become infatuated with drugs, and we are much too trusting of the medical and drug industries. They are good at understating adverse effects and overstating benefits.

We are told that gender dysphoric children are at risk for suicide without the drugs. But there is no conclusive research showing that suicide risk decreases if the drugs are taken.

I can remember when most women were advised to take hormone replacement therapy after menopause, for their entire lives. It was assumed to be great for health, an improvement on nature. :no::doh
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You continually make this claim but you have never offered up anything factual to prove it. Do I need to explain that an unsupported claim isn't proof?

You want to deny that transgender care is necessary and insist that it will go away with time, that the care is dangerous or that is can be cured by just cross-dressing, being gay or other illogical ideas but those claims are also unsupported. I doubt that you know the difference between transvestism and transgender. You like to read conservative blogs that have convinced you that being transgendered is only a phase and you believe it but you only have your belief because those claims are not supported by facts.
 
Good4Nothin said:
You have already been told, many times, that gender dysphoria often resolves naturally. There probably hasn't been enough research to know with certainty exactly how often it resolves, but we have NO reason to think it is permanent in pre-teens.
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Then there is nothing to worry about with those children, hmm?

Besides, do you have a citation that GD often resolves naturally?
 
AProudLefty said:
Yeah. If he's an actual psychologist, he would understand the issue more.
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I can only guess but maybe after reading 2 years or 2000 hours of religious and conservative blogs you can claim to be a psychologist.


I hope that you are having a safe and happy new year.
 
Lisa said:
I can only guess but maybe after reading 2 years or 2000 hours of religious and conservative blogs you can claim to be a psychologist.


I hope that you are having a safe and happy new year.
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You too!
 
Lisa said:
I can only guess but maybe after reading 2 years or 2000 hours of religious and conservative blogs you can claim to be a psychologist.


I hope that you are having a safe and happy new year.
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I never read any religious or conservative anything.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I never read any religious or conservative anything.
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Where are you getting these unsupported claims? You posted a conservative blog a few days ago as the source of some your claims.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Because now you have to be "gender affirming,"
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Do yo think that others should make the decision what is in the child or teens best interest and what makes them feel most at ease in their body?

and that means no one can question whether a child might grow out of gender dysphoria.
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Why can't you let the child decide as they mature? Should this also apply to adults or should others decide what is in their best interests as well?
 
Lisa said:
Do yo think that others should make the decision what is in the child or teens best interest and what makes them feel most at ease in their body?

Why can't you let the child decide as they mature? Should this also apply to adults or should others decide what is in their best interests as well?
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When they give puberty blocking drugs, they are preventing the child from maturing. Their body remains childlike, and maybe their brain does also.

Yes others sometimes should decide what is in adults' best interests. There are laws against taking certain drugs without a prescription, for example. There are all kinds of laws preventing people from damaging themselves or others. That is obvious, but beside the point of what we are talking about.

I, and others, explained to you many times that no one can predict if a child will grow out of gender dysphoria naturally. It could be a terrible mistake to give puberty blockers to every kid who might possibly turn out to be transgender.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Actually there are human hermaphrodites, called intersex these days.
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Actually, no. Intersex means a person has the wrong number or type of sex chromosomes. Being X0 - Turners Syndrome, or XXy - Klienfelters Syndrome are the two most common causes of being "intersex". Generally, if you are X0, you are female, but don't go through puberty (there are other side effects, also) If you are XXy, you are male, but don't tend to have male secondary sex characteristics (plus other side effects). Neither of these afflictions give you both male and female reproductive organs, which is what a hermaphrodite is.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I, and others, explained to you many times that no one can predict if a child will grow out of gender dysphoria naturally. It could be a terrible mistake to give puberty blockers to every kid who might possibly turn out to be transgender.
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Unfortunately, this thread shows the problem with the transgender community today. Lisa is, like many SJWs, refusing to allow you to make any points. She is so focused in "being right" that she doesn't listen to the voice of reason. In the end, the trans community will get more and more resistance from the mainstream because they are being unreasonable, and we don't have the expectation of carrying on a reasonable dialogue.
 
gino said:
Unfortunately, this thread shows the problem with the transgender community today. Lisa is, like many SJWs, refusing to allow you to make any points. She is so focused in "being right" that she doesn't listen to the voice of reason. In the end, the trans community will get more and more resistance from the mainstream because they are being unreasonable, and we don't have the expectation of carrying on a reasonable dialogue.
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Yes, and they will get more and more resistance from liberals and progressives, not just conservatives. (I am, by the way, only slightly conservative and only regarding economic issues. I am very liberal on most social issues).
 
gino said:
Unfortunately, this thread shows the problem with the transgender community today. Lisa is, like many SJWs, refusing to allow you to make any points. She is so focused in "being right" that she doesn't listen to the voice of reason. In the end, the trans community will get more and more resistance from the mainstream because they are being unreasonable, and we don't have the expectation of carrying on a reasonable dialogue.
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Refuting G4MN claims with facts is not allowing her to state her claims. You seem to think that your unsupported claims are equal to facts and should not be challenged.

Yout cannot have a rational dialogue with people who are driven by unsupported beliefs, half-truths and religious-based opinions. Transgdered people are not seeking your approval because it is not necessary por desired for them to live their life as they choose because you dont have the right to say what others can do and how they can live.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Yes, and they will get more and more resistance from liberals and progressives, not just conservatives. (I am, by the way, only slightly conservative and only regarding economic issues. I am very liberal on most social issues).
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And yet here you two are, discussing the topic freely.
 
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