The Transgender Fad

[Good4Nothin]

You are not a Dr and you don't know the entire story. Your knowledge of gender identity is laughable and that is being quite generous. I am having to make a herculean effort to hold back from what I really want to say to you because I would be banned for doing so. I've shared a few of those comments to lefty vias Private message.

Go ahead and get banned, I don't care. You add nothing of value to this conversation.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Do you have any proof that what I have said is actually incorrect, just because I disagree with you?

I already showed a lot of evidence, which you of course ignored.

 

[AProudLefty]

You are wrong. You are repeating activist propaganda. There is no scientific way of predicting whether gender dysphoria will persist into adulthood. And it is KNOWN that most does NOT persist.

There is no scientific evidence that a child's or teenager's gender dysphoria will get worse if not treated with puberty blockers and sex hormones. And there is NO evidence that these treatments are safe.

You just repeat the same old thing, with NO evidence.

[Citation needed]

 

[Lisa]

I already showed a lot of evidence, which you of course ignored.

You have a lot of biased opinions and fear-driven claims. There were no facts.

What is your alternative that is better than the current care and offers better quality of life? You have been asked this question multiple times but you ignore it or log off when you are asked. We notice your unable to offer a better alternative except to stick your head in the sand and hope it goes away, which you also cannot prove happens.

Do you want to treat transgendered people with prayers, reparative therapy and essential oils?

 

[Lisa]

You are wrong. You are repeating activist propaganda. There is no scientific way of predicting whether gender dysphoria will persist into adulthood. And it is KNOWN that most does NOT persist.

There is no scientific evidence that a child's or teenager's gender dysphoria will get worse if not treated with puberty blockers and sex hormones. And there is NO evidence that these treatments are safe.

You just repeat the same old thing, with NO evidence.

I dare you to prove these claims. You have been asked to do so before and you cannot and will no.

There are no such things as transgender activists because nobody wants to be transgendered, despite your conservative claims. I suggest that you stop reading conservative blogs that lie to you and instead start with the facts about the condition.

How many transgendered people dying because they don't receive the proper care or they have their lives destroyed because care is delayed because of your unfounded claims is acceptable to you? Are their lives not important to you when you have a conservative crusade to wage?

 

[Good4Nothin]

You have a lot of biased opinions and fear-driven claims. There were no facts.

What is your alternative that is better than the current care and offers better quality of life? You have been asked this question multiple times but you ignore it or log off when you are asked. We notice your unable to offer a better alternative except to stick your head in the sand and hope it goes away, which you also cannot prove happens.

Do you want to treat transgendered people with prayers, reparative therapy and essential oils?

My claims have nothing to do with fears. I am telling you what the scientific evidence says.

I, and others here, have said it is better to do nothing and wait. MOST gender dysphoria resolves naturally. Risky untested treatments are not advisable, regardless of what politically correct medical professionals are now doing.

Your last resort argument is to say I am not a doctor. In other words, we have no right to question the medical industry.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I dare you to prove these claims. You have been asked to do so before and you cannot and will no.

There are no such things as transgender activists because nobody wants to be transgendered, despite your conservative claims. I suggest that you stop reading conservative blogs that lie to you and instead start with the facts about the condition.

How many transgendered people dying because they don't receive the proper care or they have their lives destroyed because care is delayed because of your unfounded claims is acceptable to you? Are their lives not important to you when you have a conservative crusade to wage?

You are only able to think in prefabricated boxes, like "conservative." Your brain must have been fixed at birth.

 

[Lisa]

You are only able to think in prefabricated boxes, like "conservative." Your brain must have been fixed at birth.

I noticed a very long time ago that it is only conservatives and usually religious conservatives that have a problem with transgender people, their equal rights and their care. Most people know to leave others alone and adopt the "live and let live" philosophy until someone specifically asks for their input.

 

[Lisa]

My claims have nothing to do with fears. I am telling you what the scientific evidence says.

I, and others here, have said it is better to do nothing and wait. MOST gender dysphoria resolves naturally. Risky untested treatments are not advisable, regardless of what politically correct medical professionals are now doing.

Your last resort argument is to say I am not a doctor. In other words, we have no right to question the medical industry.

Where are the facts to support your claims that people grow out of being transgender and that they are not aware of the problems with the medication? Trans people are made very aware of the drugs and their contraindications and why testing is done to check for these problems so they can be addressed before it is a serious problem. They are also encouraged to change their diet, not to drink or smoke and to exercise on a regular basis as a way to counteract some of the more minor issues.

They are not told that the process is easy or without potential problems but it is likely better than if the problem isn't addressed. There is ongoing counseling to deal with any issues that might pop up and to reconsider the diagnosis if someone serious untoward comes to light or their feelings suddenly change. You seem to think that Drs just hand out hormones and blockers like Tic-Tacs without taking a long and detailed medical and psychological history and extensive testing before the initial diagnosis is made, and don't have follow up care, usually for the remainder of their life, which is blatanty untrue.

Keep your blogs and their half-truths out of the lives of others before people get hurt because they believed that nonsense.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I noticed a very long time ago that it is only conservatives and usually religious conservatives that have a problem with transgender people, their equal rights and their care. Most people know to leave others alone and adopt the "live and let live" philosophy until someone specifically asks for their input.

I have NO problem with transgender people! I have a problem with reckless and possibly dangerous medical interventions. Not just for transgenders, but for anyone who is being mistreated by the drug-crazed medical industry.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Where are the facts to support your claims that people grow out of being transgender and that they are not aware of the problems with the medication? Trans people are made very aware of the drugs and their contraindications and why testing is done to check for these problems so they can be addressed before it is a serious problem. They are also encouraged to change their diet, not to drink or smoke and to exercise on a regular basis as a way to counteract some of the more minor issues.

They are not told that the process is easy or without potential problems but it is likely better than if the problem isn't addressed. There is ongoing counseling to deal with any issues that might pop up and to reconsider the diagnosis if someone serious untoward comes to light or their feelings suddenly change. You seem to think that Drs just hand out hormones and blockers like Tic-Tacs without taking a long and detailed medical and psychological history and extensive testing before the initial diagnosis is made, and don't have follow up care, usually for the remainder of their life, which is blatanty untrue.

Keep your blogs and their half-truths out of the lives of others before people get hurt because they believed that nonsense.

People are getting hurt because they believe the politically correct nonsense you refuse to question.

I already posted evidence against Lupron. I can find a lot more.

 

[Good4Nothin]

New report describes dangers of giving Lupron to kids

"For young girls, Lupron was approved to delay the onset of puberty. Off-label, doctors commonly use it to help pediatric patients grow taller. But interviews with women who received the injections for at least a decade as children, conducted by Kaiser Health News, suggest that the drug causes lifelong health problems.

The problems documented in the Kaiser report include extremely brittle bones, anxiety, and seizures. In fact, the FDA told Kaiser Health News that it is currently reviewing the effect that Lupron has on pediatric patients and their nervous systems. But the agency has not yet placed a warning on the drug’s pediatric version describing the potential risk of seizures, bone loss, or mood disorders."

 

[Good4Nothin]

"This is not the first time that Lupron has come under serious scrutiny. Back in 2001, Abbott Laboratories and Takeda Chemicals agreed to pay a whopping $875 million settlement to the Department of Justice over their aggressive marketing of Lupron. According to the DOJ, the drug-makers gave doctors illegal kickbacks in exchange for prescribing Lupron to patients. They also helped doctors bill Medicare or Medicaid hundreds of dollars for each dose."

 

[bomberfox]

Well, it wasn't my intention, but then again why not? If "anything goes" is going to be the basis of reality--- then I guess the sky is the limit, right?

Slippery slope fallacy alert.

 

[Good4Nothin]

MercatorNet: There’s nothing fake about the dangers of transgender medications

"The newly released “Australian Standards of Care and Treatment Guidelines for Trans and Gender Diverse Children and Adolescents” publicly declare they are not based on the usual standards that justify Western medical therapy, including biological plausibility, proof of effect and absence of complications in bench studies, animal experiments and human trials. Rather, they are based on “clinical consensus … and a limited number of non-randomised clinical guidelines and observational studies”: in other words, on the “expert” opinion of the doctors running the clinics."

 

[Good4Nothin]

MercatorNet: There’s nothing fake about the dangers of transgender medications

"GnRH modulators [such as Lupron] can completely shut down gonadal sex hormone production and decrease testosterone levels in men and transgender women by about 95 percent. They play an important role in treating adolescents who wish to transition to the other sex."

"What is important to understand, writes Professor Whitehall, is that GnRH is involved in a wide range of functions, ranging from sexuality to cognition and memory to emotion and to executive function."

 

[Lisa]

MercatorNet: There’s nothing fake about the dangers of transgender medications

"GnRH modulators [such as Lupron] can completely shut down gonadal sex hormone production and decrease testosterone levels in men and transgender women by about 95 percent. They play an important role in treating adolescents who wish to transition to the other sex."

"What is important to understand, writes Professor Whitehall, is that GnRH is involved in a wide range of functions, ranging from sexuality to cognition and memory to emotion and to executive function."

They are another right-wing site with an obvious very conservative bias,

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

Mercatornet - Media Bias/Fact Check

 

[Good4Nothin]

They are another right-wing site with an obvious very conservative bias,



Mercatornet - Media Bias/Fact Check

So you don't believe that "GnRH is involved in a wide range of functions, ranging from sexuality to cognition and memory to emotion and to executive function."

 

[Good4Nothin]

They are another right-wing site with an obvious very conservative bias,



Mercatornet - Media Bias/Fact Check

And one of the articles I linked was from PBS. You don't believe them either?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Buying time or arresting development? The dilemma of administering hormone blockers in trans children and adolescents - ScienceDirect

Is this another conservative propaganda journal?

"Research about the effects of early interventions on the development of bone mass and growth – typical events of hormonal puberty – and on brain development is still limited,7 so we cannot know the long-term effects on a large number of cases."

"Considering the high percentage of desisters, early somatic treatment may be premature and inappropriate."

 

[Lisa]

And one of the articles I linked was from PBS. You don't believe them either?

Maybe you should tell trans kids to ignore their feelings. I'm sure that will be just as effective.

Do you think that children choose to be transgender?

 

[Lisa]

Buying time or arresting development? The dilemma of administering hormone blockers in trans children and adolescents - ScienceDirect

Is this another conservative propaganda journal?

"Research about the effects of early interventions on the development of bone mass and growth – typical events of hormonal puberty – and on brain development is still limited,7 so we cannot know the long-term effects on a large number of cases."

"Considering the high percentage of desisters, early somatic treatment may be premature and inappropriate."

It also said this, that you want to ignore.

Several studies have proven the effectiveness of early medical interventions and the safety of these interventions with regard to physical and psychological harm. Overall, research has shown improved psychological functioning during suppression, no change of mind in terms of gender identity and the reduction or disappearance of distress related to GD; in addition, several studies have reported an increase in GD and harmful behaviour when blockers are not used.34, 36

In their longitudinal study on the first 70 adolescents to receive puberty blockers, de Vries and colleagues37 reported an improvement in general functioning after two years, along with a decrease in depression and behavioural and emotional difficulties. Fifty-five of these 70 individuals were assessed later in early adulthood, after cross-sex hormones had been administered and gender reassignment surgery had been performed. Depressive symptoms had decreased, general mental health functioning had improved and no regret about transitioning was found. Many (about 70 per cent) reported that their social transition had been ‘easy’. Cohen-Kettenis and colleagues,38 in a 22-year follow-up of the first described adolescent treated with GnRH analogues and cross-sex hormones, reported overall improved psychological well-being and no clinical signs of adverse effects on the brain. An improvement in global functioning following puberty suppression was also found in the UK study of Costa and colleagues39 in their follow-up of adolescents at the GIDS centre in London.

Consistent with the Dutch and British studies was Spack and colleagues’ report40 about their sample of 97 patients at a clinic in Boston, MA, in which no adolescents showed regrets regarding puberty-blocking or subsequent cross-sex hormone use.

If you are waiting for perfection with no adverse effects you have a long time to wait. Trans teens or adults are under no delusion that there are not adverse possibilities, just as with every medical treatment.

 

[ProgressPlease]

I hate stupid people.

The idea that trans people are homophobic is absolutely assinine. Not all transgendered people are heterosexual. You can be transgendered and still be gay, bi or lesbian. These are two different topics and cannot be merged into one.
If someone is a lesbian then they aren't necessarily transgendered. People who think this way don't know the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation, so their options should be ignored. Just because someone is a very butch lesbian doesn't mean that they are transgdered. The same goes for people who are very feminine male or those who are gender fluid.

Typing from my phone again.


Lisa, you are not a very respectful person.

You appear to have a script which is getting in the way of your learning potentially new information.
Nobody is conflating gender identity with sexual orientation. There happens to be many detransitioners who were same sex attracted and confused about whether it was a sign they were trans (speak with some or read their stories)
The data shows that most children desist and many grow up to be healthy gay adults. This is one of the arguments for a watchful waiting approach.
There are some parts of the world where gay and/or effeminate men are pushed to transition. Homophobia.

You don’t seem to have any personal experience with trans people, gender clinics, or gender therapists. You also don’t seem willing to go very deep on the topic if there is any chance information may contradict your script.
I’m not sure you have really looked at the latest research but also at the various protocols around the world and at various gender clinics in the US. Many are at odds with each other and at odds with the WPATH protocol.

The more posts I read from you the more you sound no better than the far right religious zealots on this issue.

You couldn’t be more wrong about your assertion that those who question the medical protocol on minors are conservative politically.

By the way, Lisa, most trans people do not like to be referred to as “transgendered”.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Not a fad a mental illness. Where does "transgender" exist anywhere else in nature?

By the same reasoning, religious belief is obviously a mental illness as well as it doesn't exist anywhere else in nature.

 

[Renae]

Typing from my phone again.


Lisa, you are not a very respectful person.

You appear to have a script which is getting in the way of your learning potentially new information.
Nobody is conflating gender identity with sexual orientation. There happens to be many detransitioners who were same sex attracted and confused about whether it was a sign they were trans (speak with some or read their stories)
The data shows that most children desist and many grow up to be healthy gay adults. This is one of the arguments for a watchful waiting approach.
There are some parts of the world where gay and/or effeminate men are pushed to transition. Homophobia.

You don’t seem to have any personal experience with trans people, gender clinics, or gender therapists. You also don’t seem willing to go very deep on the topic if there is any chance information may contradict your script.
I’m not sure you have really looked at the latest research but also at the various protocols around the world and at various gender clinics in the US. Many are at odds with each other and at odds with the WPATH protocol.

The more posts I read from you the more you sound no better than the far right religious zealots on this issue.

You couldn’t be more wrong about your assertion that those who question the medical protocol on minors are conservative politically.

By the way, Lisa, most trans people do not like to be referred to as “transgendered”.

Some of us in the Trans community seem to like being offended at everything, Trans is the safest thing I know to use verbiage wise right now.

I think her biggest issue is that she believes "This is how it should be" and any information to the contrary cannot be so. I've seen first hand, how easy it is to get HRT, how easy it is to just skate through the process as an adult had I so chosen too. These are the "cheerleaders" of therapy that just rush people along. It shouldn't be, but if you raise a concern about it, you get call "TRANSPHOBIC" or "ANTI-LGBT" or a "GAY HATER" or in my case there are people on this forum that have accused me of faking being a trans woman. All because I dare to challenge the "narrative" they believe should be the only truth around the subject.