The Transgender Fad

[Lisa]

Actually, in kids, the best treatment is literally doing nothing.
Once the kid turns 18 they should be capable to make any informed decision on their own.
Blocking hormones, or introducing artificial hormones into child’s body is wrong.


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19 is too late to address the issue and often creates problems by delaying care so their quality of life is negatively impacted. Why is it that you think that you and G4N can ignore the problem and don't create bigger problems by doing so? Do you also think that you can ignore their depression or anxiety for years and nothing bad will happen because you dont like the current treatment? Can we hold you financially responsible for what happens because you seek to deny care?

 

[Lisa]

Posting from my phone so I’ll be very brief.

Dr. Joanna Olsen-Kennedy is a leading gender doctor and advocates for getting rid of age restrictions. Here she discusses her study on minors receiving “top surgery”. Ages are as young as 13 for breast removal.
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The detransitioner community is growing and they are demanding answers and accountability. Many are lesbians who see the trans movement as homophobic.


Dr. Zucker was issued a public apology from CAMH. There was a very aggressive activist campaign against him complete with false and disgusting accusations and the clinic caved. They reached a settlement and a formal apology was issued.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/camh-settlement-former-head-gender-identity-clinic-1.4854015

I hate stupid people.

The idea that trans people are homophobic is absolutely assinine. Not all transgendered people are heterosexual. You can be transgendered and still be gay, bi or lesbian. These are two different topics and cannot be merged into one.
If someone is a lesbian then they aren't necessarily transgendered. People who think this way don't know the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation, so their options should be ignored. Just because someone is a very butch lesbian doesn't mean that they are transgdered. The same goes for people who are very feminine male or those who are gender fluid.

 

[Good4Nothin]

19 is too late to address the issue and often creates problems by delaying care so their quality of life is negatively impacted. Why is it that you think that you and G4N can ignore the problem and don't create bigger problems by doing so? Do you also think that you can ignore their depression or anxiety for years and nothing bad will happen because you dont like the current treatment? Can we hold you financially responsible for what happens because you seek to deny care?

There is no good research showing that kids who are "treated" early with blockers and sex hormones will be happier than those who don't.

One commonly used puberty blocker, Lupron, has destroyed some lives because of its serious side effects. It has been given mostly to increase height.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I hate stupid people.

So you must hate yourself.

 

[AProudLefty]

There is no good research showing that kids who are "treated" early with blockers and sex hormones will be happier than those who don't.

One commonly used puberty blocker, Lupron, has destroyed some lives because of its serious side effects. It has been given mostly to increase height.

[Citation needed]

 

[thedimon]

19 is too late to address the issue and often creates problems by delaying care so their quality of life is negatively impacted. Why is it that you think that you and G4N can ignore the problem and don't create bigger problems by doing so? Do you also think that you can ignore their depression or anxiety for years and nothing bad will happen because you dont like the current treatment? Can we hold you financially responsible for what happens because you seek to deny care?

Mostly because I believe a greater harm would be done by treating something that might go away on its own.
A child barely understands what gender is at least till puberty. Why should a boy that wants to be a girl be given hormones that delay puberty? Why not let that boy grow into a man and decide for himself? You could do more harm by trying to treat something that could be a whim of a spoiled child. You give the kid hormones and that kids behavior and thinking is altered, but you attempt to assess the situation by looking at a behavior of a child whose mental stability you altered by giving that child hormones.

That’s why I strongly believe that inaction is the best course of action in this situation - let the child grow into an adult and let the adult make important, life altering decision.
I have 2 kids myself and I would feel it to be selfish to give my kids drugs that might cause permanent results, and even more, I would not allow myself to authorize reassignment surgery on a child (I believe those are legal from 16, which is mind boggling). I would want my kids to grow up and make these decisions themselves.

Did you consider a possibility of “treating” a child that then grows up and starts blaming you for everything you did after your kid turns 30 and realizes he/she was just acting a spoiled brat, but there were permanent alterations done on them at the age when they couldn’t even buy a pack of smokes?


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[AProudLefty]

Mostly because I believe a greater harm would be done by treating something that might go away on its own.
A child barely understands what gender is at least till puberty. Why should a boy that wants to be a girl be given hormones that delay puberty? Why not let that boy grow into a man and decide for himself? You could do more harm by trying to treat something that could be a whim of a spoiled child. You give the kid hormones and that kids behavior and thinking is altered, but you attempt to assess the situation by looking at a behavior of a child whose mental stability you altered by giving that child hormones.

That’s why I strongly believe that inaction is the best course of action in this situation - let the child grow into an adult and let the adult make important, life altering decision.
I have 2 kids myself and I would feel it to be selfish to give my kids drugs that might cause permanent results, and even more, I would not allow myself to authorize reassignment surgery on a child (I believe those are legal from 16, which is mind boggling). I would want my kids to grow up and make these decisions themselves.

Did you consider a possibility of “treating” a child that then grows up and starts blaming you for everything you did after your kid turns 30 and realizes he/she was just acting a spoiled brat, but there were permanent alterations done on them at the age when they couldn’t even buy a pack of smokes?


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If it goes away on its own by 12 years old, then treatment is not needed, yes? And if it goes away between 12 to 18, stop the treatment, it's reversible.

 

[Good4Nothin]

[Citation needed]

Women fear drug they used to halt puberty led to health problems | PBS NewsHour

[The FDA considers the drug’s impact on children’s bones an unanswered question, according to a statement: “The effects of bone density in children whose central precocious puberty is arrested with a GnRH agonist are considered ‘unknown’ as they have not been studied.”]

 

[thedimon]

If it goes away on its own by 12 years old, then treatment is not needed, yes? And if it goes away between 12 to 18, stop the treatment, it's reversible.

No.
No treatment till 18. The child needs to have to make an attempt to have normal teenager experience. It’s important because at that age kids learn important social skills.
The kid needs to have a solid experience of several years of being unaltered gender they were born with before they make life-altering decision. So, from 12 to 18 is a perfect stretch for them to try to live with it without treatment. After 18 they will have enough experience to judge for themselves whether they want to make any changes.


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[AProudLefty]

Women fear drug they used to halt puberty led to health problems | PBS NewsHour

[The FDA considers the drug’s impact on children’s bones an unanswered question, according to a statement: “The effects of bone density in children whose central precocious puberty is arrested with a GnRH agonist are considered ‘unknown’ as they have not been studied.”]

Pubertal blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth - Mayo Clinic

 

[AProudLefty]

No.
No treatment till 18. The child needs to have to make an attempt to have normal teenager experience. It’s important because at that age kids learn important social skills.
The kid needs to have a solid experience of several years of being unaltered gender they were born with before they make life-altering decision. So, from 12 to 18 is a perfect stretch for them to try to live with it without treatment. After 18 they will have enough experience to judge for themselves whether they want to make any changes.


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In other words, you want them to be depressed and even suicidal?

 

[Good4Nothin]

No.
No treatment till 18. The child needs to have to make an attempt to have normal teenager experience. It’s important because at that age kids learn important social skills.
The kid needs to have a solid experience of several years of being unaltered gender they were born with before they make life-altering decision. So, from 12 to 18 is a perfect stretch for them to try to live with it without treatment. After 18 they will have enough experience to judge for themselves whether they want to make any changes.


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If a pre-teen claims to be the opposite gender, and parents and health professionals agree, then puberty blockers are needed to prevent the child from looking like his/her biological sex.

But this treatment assumes that a pre-teen child can be sure about this. They can't. You have to experience puberty to have a better idea of your gender identity and your sexual orientation. A health professional can't read a child's future and know what will happen when he/she experiences puberty. There is no scientific way to predict whether or not gender dysphoria will persist.

And Lupron, a typical puberty blocker, is known to have serious side effects, such as severe bone thinning. And no one knows how it might effect a developing brain.

 

[Good4Nothin]

In other words, you want them to be depressed and even suicidal?

Maybe they are just as depressed and suicidal if they get the treatments. No one knows. And there is so much fear of being politically incorrect, hardly anyone dares question it.

 

[AProudLefty]

Maybe they are just as depressed and suicidal if they get the treatments. No one knows. And there is so much fear of being politically incorrect, hardly anyone dares question it.

Hardly anyone? Are you freaking kidding me?

 

[thedimon]

If a pre-teen claims to be the opposite gender, and parents and health professionals agree, then puberty blockers are needed to prevent the child from looking like his/her biological sex.

But this treatment assumes that a pre-teen child can be sure about this. They can't. You have to experience puberty to have a better idea of your gender identity and your sexual orientation. A health professional can't read a child's future and know what will happen when he/she experiences puberty. There is no scientific way to predict whether or not gender dysphoria will persist.

And Lupron, a typical puberty blocker, is known to have serious side effects, such as severe bone thinning. And no one knows how it might effect a developing brain.

Yep, that’s exactly my point - the child must grow up in the gender they were born with into an adult to be able to really tell if they are willing to live with it. Nobody should take it upon themselves to attempt to make such a serious judgement for a child that might not fully understand what’s going on.


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[thedimon]

In other words, you want them to be depressed and even suicidal?

Giving any teenager artificial hormones can make them depressed and suicidal.


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[AProudLefty]

Giving any teenager artificial hormones can make them depressed and suicidal.

And you think they'll keep giving them hormone therapy if that happens?

 

[Good4Nothin]

And you think they'll keep giving them hormone therapy if that happens?

Yes I know they will. The teenage transgender I know about takes sex hormones and is very depressed and suicidal. But no one thought of stopping the hormones to find out if that could be the cause.

 

[AProudLefty]

Yes I know they will. The teenage transgender I know about takes sex hormones and is very depressed and suicidal. But no one thought of stopping the hormones to find out if that could be the cause.

Anecdotal.

 

[Lisa]

Mostly because I believe a greater harm would be done by treating something that might go away on its own.
A child barely understands what gender is at least till puberty. Why should a boy that wants to be a girl be given hormones that delay puberty? Why not let that boy grow into a man and decide for himself? You could do more harm by trying to treat something that could be a whim of a spoiled child. You give the kid hormones and that kids behavior and thinking is altered, but you attempt to assess the situation by looking at a behavior of a child whose mental stability you altered by giving that child hormone.

That’s why I strongly believe that inaction is the best course of action in this situation - let the child grow into an adult and let the adult make important, life-altering decisions.
I have 2 kids myself and I would feel it to be selfish to give my kids drugs that might cause permanent results, and even more, I would not allow myself to authorize reassignment surgery on a child (I believe those are legal from 16, which is mind-boggling). I would want my kids to grow up and make these decisions themselves.

Did you consider a possibility of “treating” a child that then grows up and starts blaming you for everything you did after your kid turns 30 and realizes he/she was just acting a spoiled brat, but there were permanent alterations done on them at the age when they couldn’t even buy a pack of smokes?


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It doesn't go away if the feelings are persistant, which is part of the transgender s diagnosis. The fact that a few people might be incorrectly diagnosed doesn't change the fact that most aren't misdiagnosed and it doesn't go away. The problem gets worse when it is not treated leading to depression, anxiety, additions such as drug and alcohol as a way to cover up the feelings and often suicide attempts.

The gender identity disorders (GID) are defined as disorders in which an individual exhibits marked and persistent identification with the opposite sex and persistent discomfort (dysphoria) with his or her own sex or sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex.

 

[Lisa]

Yes I know they will. The teenage transgender I know about takes sex hormones and is very depressed and suicidal. But no one thought of stopping the hormones to find out if that could be the cause.

You are not a Dr and you don't know the entire story. Your knowledge of gender identity is laughable and that is being quite generous. I am having to make a herculean effort to hold back from what I really want to say to you because I would be banned for doing so. I've shared a few of those comments to lefty vias Private message.

 

[AProudLefty]

You are not a Dr and you don't know the entire story. Your knowledge of gender identity is laughable and that is being quite generous. I am having to make a herculean effort to hold back from what I really want to say to you because I would be banned for doing so. I've shared a few of those comments to lefty vias Private message.

There's always the basement.

 

[Lisa]

So you must hate yourself.

Do you have any proof that what I have said is actually incorrect, just because I disagree with you?

 

[Lisa]

There's always the basement.

You will have a message in your inbox soon. I'd post it publically but I don't feel like doing 2 weeks in some mods time-out chair.

 

[Good4Nothin]

It doesn't go away if the feelings are persistant, which is part of the transgender s diagnosis. The fact that a few people might be incorrectly diagnosed doesn't change the fact that most aren't misdiagnosed and it doesn't go away. The problem gets worse when it is not treated leading to depression, anxiety, additions such as drug and alcohol as a way to cover up the feelings and often suicide attempts.

You are wrong. You are repeating activist propaganda. There is no scientific way of predicting whether gender dysphoria will persist into adulthood. And it is KNOWN that most does NOT persist.

There is no scientific evidence that a child's or teenager's gender dysphoria will get worse if not treated with puberty blockers and sex hormones. And there is NO evidence that these treatments are safe.

You just repeat the same old thing, with NO evidence.