The Transgender Fad

[AProudLefty]

You must have not read it. It does NOT conflate transgenderism with sexual orientation. It deals with them separately, in different sections. Go ahead, prove you know how to read.

I have read it. The article challenges the theory that homosexuality and transgenderism are inborn.

 

[AProudLefty]

I have NO ideological reason for being skeptical of the drugs and hormones they are giving to children. I am motivated by concern for their future.

Then show us how the current treatment is harmful to transgender children.

 

[Lisa]

There is no effective way to transform a man into a woman, or a woman into a man. I have no idea what treatment should be given for gender dysphoria. For most children who have it, it goes away by the time they are adults.

Just because I don't have a perfect answer for how to treat them, doesn't mean the current policy is great. Take a logic course, please.

You think according to ideology and emotion, NOT according to science and reason. So that makes it very hard to communicate with you.

I have NO ideological reason for being skeptical of the drugs and hormones they are giving to children. I am motivated by concern for their future.

We cannot change a person's DNA but that doesn't mean that they can't treat the feelings of being transgendered. You seem to be stuck on the idea that if the DNA cannot be changed then the situation cannot be treated effectively to improve their quality of life. The problem with that idea is that we do not see our DNA or that of others when we meet them. This has been explained to you in the past you seem to be stuck on it. Transgdered people would love to be able to change their DNA but they also know that is not possible and accept what can be done does help the situation and makes their life easier. They also understand that the medication isn't without problems and accept that because that risk is better than not treating the situation, as you seem to support. Nothing in medicine or life is perfect. As an engineer, I would be out of a job if I insisted every solution for a customer had to fulfill all criteria and meet all goals 100% or it would be rejected as a failure. oftentimes you have to make do with a very imperfect solution and possibly readdress it in the future because of time, time or materials constraints. I don't know what field you are actually in that you were not made aware of this very basic idea in college.


Not treating transgender people is far worse than treating them. Many transgender people who are getting some care are not getting enough or incomplete, plus the fact that transgendered people are the obvious target for abuse in their own families, in churches, the workplace and society in general also causes long term mental health problems that you want to blame on them or to insinuate that it is the fault of the current care regimen. The fact that the cross-gendered feelings in some people go away doesn't mean that all of them do, so those who have persistent cross-gendered feelings, which is the definition of being transgendered, doesn't mean that they can be ignored, the problem redefined to something else that is easier to treat, can be blamed on the person as their being weak or sinful, that doesn't require treatment or told to get over it.

 

[Lisa]

Then show us how the current treatment is harmful to transgender children.

McHugh's argument is that children are getting gender surgery when that is not happening. Children are also not being administered hormones or blockers, despite what conservatives want to claim as a way to stoke outrage in their ignorant believers who are either too stupid or too lazy to perform even a basic fact check of their claims.

He is also making the argument that people aren't born LGBT despite the fact that this idea has been rejected 30+ years ago, but he doesn't want to admit that because if he can claim it is a choice them he can blame them for feeling that fay and reject medical-psychological care as well as argument against equal rights for LGBT people. Paul McHugh is the medical equivalent of a flat earther and he deserves to be treated with the same derision as those idiots. John Hopkins put him out to pasture a decade again when they reopened their gender clinic.

Nearly four decades after he derailed a pioneering transgender program at Johns Hopkins Hospital with his views on guilt-ridden homosexuals, psychiatrist Paul McHugh is seeing his institution come full circle with the resumption of gender-reassignment surgeries.

McHugh, the hospital's chief of psychiatry from 1975 to 2001, still believes that being transgender is largely a psychological problem, not a biological phenomenon. And with the title of University Distinguished Service Professor at Johns Hopkins Medicine, he continues to wield enormous influence in certain circles and is quoted frequently on gender issues in conservative media.
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"I'm not against transgender people," he said recently, stressing that he is "anxious they get the help they need." But such help should be psychiatric rather than surgical, he maintains.

Hopkins, however, is moving beyond McHugh. This summer, it will formally open a transgender health service and will resume, after a 38-year hiatus, an accompanying surgical program.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I have read it. The article challenges the theory that homosexuality and transgenderism are inborn.

Then look up the definition of "conflate."

 

[AProudLefty]

Then look up the definition of "conflate."

I know what it means. Why talk about homosexuality and sexual orientation when it comes to transgenderism?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Then show us how the current treatment is harmful to transgender children.

NO ONE KNOWS! That is the point. Young children with gender dysphoria, that will probably go away, are given drugs and hormones. The long term effects are NOT KNOWN. And increasing numbers of children are being treated this way.

 

[AProudLefty]

NO ONE KNOWS! That is the point. Young children with gender dysphoria, that will probably go away, are given drugs and hormones. The long term effects are NOT KNOWN. And increasing numbers of children are being treated this way.

You can interview the transgender adults to find out since you care about it so much.

 

[Good4Nothin]

They also understand that the medication isn't without problems and accept that because that risk is better than not treating the situation, as you seem to support.

WHAT???? I seem to support that???? :shock:

 

[Good4Nothin]

Not treating transgender people is far worse than treating them.

Where is the evidence for that?? MOST gender dysphoria in children goes away, with NO TREATMENT.

 

[Good4Nothin]

transgendered people are the obvious target for abuse in their own families, in churches, the workplace and society in general also causes long term mental health problems that you want to blame on them or to insinuate that it is the fault of the current care regimen. The fact that the cross-gendered feelings in some people go away doesn't mean that all of them do, so those who have persistent cross-gendered feelings, which is the definition of being transgendered, doesn't mean that they can be ignored, the problem redefined to something else that is easier to treat, can be blamed on the person as their being weak or sinful, that doesn't require treatment or told to get over it.

I want to blame it on them???? I said that???? I said they are weak or sinful????

YOU are hallucinating. :roll:

 

[Good4Nothin]

McHugh's argument is that children are getting gender surgery when that is not happening. Children are also not being administered hormones or blockers,

WHAT???? Children aren't getting gender surgery, but they ARE getting blockers!! And teenagers ARE getting sex hormones!!

 

[AProudLefty]

WHAT???? Children aren't getting gender surgery, but they ARE getting blockers!! And teenagers ARE getting sex hormones!!

Correct. Transgender children are not allowed to have sex reassignment surgery.

 

[LadyMoonlight]

This trend will cease when one child/teen becomes an adult, realises that the mental health issues have not disappeared (anyone who hates their body so much that they want to permanently mutilate it, has a mental health problem) and they sue their parents who encouraged them when they were children, the psychologist and the surgeon who agreed, supported and operated on them. When the first lot get sued it will be a domino effect with others doing the same thing. When the parents, psychologists and surgeons end up having to pay out huge sums of money to the person suing them, then it will all stop and the trend will be over. I doubt there has been enough research into what pumping young bodies full of hormones does to a young body, but I am pretty certain it can't be good for the body in the long run.
There is an organisation for detransitioning and a detransition advocacy network, so tis only a matter of time.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Correct. Transgender children are not allowed to have sex reassignment surgery.

But they ARE GETTING HORMONES. :roll:

 

[Good4Nothin]

This trend will cease when one child/teen becomes an adult, realises that the mental health issues have not disappeared (anyone who hates their body so much that they want to permanently mutilate it, has a mental health problem) and they sue their parents who encouraged them when they were children, the psychologist and the surgeon who agreed, supported and operated on them. When the first lot get sued it will be a domino effect with others doing the same thing. When the parents, psychologists and surgeons end up having to pay out huge sums of money to the person suing them, then it will all stop and the trend will be over. I doubt there has been enough research into what pumping young bodies full of hormones does to a young body, but I am pretty certain it can't be good for the body in the long run.
There is an organisation for detransitioning and a detransition advocacy network, so tis only a matter of time.

There isn't enough research on giving hormones to children and teenagers. It is reckless arrogance, combined with political correctness.

 

[AProudLefty]

But they ARE GETTING HORMONES. :roll:

Yes?...

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yes?...

You are playing games, and those games are not fun, and are wasting everyone's time.

 

[AProudLefty]

You are playing games, and those games are not fun, and are wasting everyone's time.

What games? Are you telling me that the professionals who have studied for years are playing games?

 

[Lisa]

NO ONE KNOWS! That is the point. Young children with gender dysphoria, that will probably go away, are given drugs and hormones. The long term effects are NOT KNOWN. And increasing numbers of children are being treated this way.

Children arent being administered drugs or surgery, despite your emotional claims. You have been told this but you still make this fallacious claim. I'm beginning to think that you do not read the supporting links that you are provided to you.

 

[Lisa]

There isn't enough research on giving hormones to children and teenagers. It is reckless arrogance, combined with political correctness.

Children aren't getting hormones or blockers! What do we have to do to stop you from repeating this lie? The blockers and then hormones arent being administered until they are early teens because that is when puberty begins. A child's body cannot process hormones because they arent physical mature enough to do so. If you had a rational argument you would not need to continue to make this obvious and refuted a lie, again and again. The fact that you are repeating McHughs lie doesn't mean that it is true. It does mean that you are unable to put your own opinions aside and perform a fact check from a reputable source.

A Dutch multidisciplinary protocol for treatment for gender dysphoria with gender-affirming treatment centers on appropriate diagnosis and extensive supportive mental health treatment if/when appropriate. Youth who are peripubertal (11/12 up to 15/16 years) may be offered reversible puberty suppression with gonadotropin releasing hormone analogues (GnRH). This can be done for up to 3-4 years. Youth (15/16 up to 18 years) then may be offered gender affirming treatment with cross-sex hormones, the effects of which can be partially reversible. Young adults (18+ years) may be offered gender affirming treatment with cross-sex hormones and/or surgeries. The outcomes “…found that after surgery the psychological function and well-being had steadily improved and were similar or better than same-age young adults from the general population.”

What is the Dutch Protocol for Gender Dysphoria? | PediatricEducation.org™

 

[Good4Nothin]

Children arent being administered drugs or surgery, despite your emotional claims. You have been told this but you still make this fallacious claim. I'm beginning to think that you do not read the supporting links that you are provided to you.

A friend of mine has a 15-year-old who is getting sex hormones as a transgender treatment. And I have read lots of articles saying that children and teenagers are getting puberty blocking drugs and sex hormones. This is a well known fact.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Children aren't getting hormones or blockers! What do we have to do to stop you from repeating this lie? The blockers and then hormones arent being administered until they are early teens because that is when puberty begins. A child's body cannot process hormones because they arent physical mature enough to do so. If you had a rational argument you would not need to continue to make this obvious and refuted a lie, again and again. The fact that you are repeating McHughs lie doesn't mean that it is true. It does mean that you are unable to put your own opinions aside and perform a fact check from a reputable source.


What is the Dutch Protocol for Gender Dysphoria? | PediatricEducation.org™

I consider an 11-year-old a child. Don't you?

 

[Lisa]

A friend of mine has a 15-year-old who is getting sex hormones as a transgender treatment. And I have read lots of articles saying that children and teenagers are getting puberty blocking drugs and sex hormones. This is a well known fact.

15 your old is a teenager and it is expected if they are trans.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Children get puberty-blocking drugs before puberty. We call someone a child if they have not gone through puberty. We might also call a teenager a child. Teenagers get sex hormones.