The Transgender Fad

[Moonglow]

For you, religion is deviance. You are not everyone.

Neither are yous. Yet you pass judgement like yous is..

 

[Good4Nothin]

:roll:


You're screen name is absolutely PERFECT.

So is yours! You're a little bug that stings.

 

[Court Jester]

But how do you, or anyone, know it's a mental illness? Maybe it's just a phase a lot of kids go through.

Nah!

Enjoying ketchup on a hot dog when you are under 8 years old is a "phase". This other thing is something else, but not a "phase".

 

[Court Jester]

Clownfish can change sex. Clownfish schools are hierarchical, led by a matriarch. When she dies, the dominant male changes sex and takes her place.

Well, good to hear you found a creature high up on the evolution list as an example. Reminds me of someone once telling me that incest among canines is common therefore it is okay for humans too. All I could think when I heard this was that I had a couple of dogs and one of them habitually liked to eat the other dog's feces. So not sure I would go by what dogs and clownfish do as a good example of what critical thinking humans should do.

 

[Court Jester]

There's a clownfish in the White House.

And thank God too. Could have been that battleaxe Hillary in there. What a nightmare that would have been.

 

[AProudLefty]

And thank God too. Could have been that battleaxe Hillary in there. What a nightmare that would have been.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

 

[AProudLefty]

Well, good to hear you found a creature high up on the evolution list as an example. Reminds me of someone once telling me that incest among canines is common therefore it is okay for humans too. All I could think when I heard this was that I had a couple of dogs and one of them habitually liked to eat the other dog's feces. So not sure I would go by what dogs and clownfish do as a good example of what critical thinking humans should do.

You're comparing transgenderism to eating feces? :lamo

 

[Good4Nothin]

I don't think transgenderism makes any sense, when you try to look at it logically. What does it REALLY mean to be male or female? I think the only way we can define it is in terms of biological functions. If you are female, and straight, you only want to have sex with males. And you have the ability to have babies. THAT IS THE WHOLE STORY ABOUT BEING A STRAIGHT FEMALE.

All the rest is social, cultural. So when a female kid says she is really a boy, what does she mean? She wants to play baseball? That's what I meant, when I was in the tom boy phase.

If a little girl says "I feel like I am really a boy," the cultural social stuff is all mixed in there.

So I think the transgender fad is a big mixup. Where is the evidence that it is really a disorder that requires medical interventions?

 

[Court Jester]

You're comparing transgenderism to eating feces? :lamo

Well, it wasn't my intention, but then again why not? If "anything goes" is going to be the basis of reality--- then I guess the sky is the limit, right?

 

[AProudLefty]

Well, it wasn't my intention, but then again why not? If "anything goes" is going to be the basis of reality--- then I guess the sky is the limit, right?

There is no "anything goes". You are using slippery slope fallacy.

 

[notquiteright]

No, this teenager is miserable, and suicidal. I hear it all the time from the worried parents. Of course, they don't blame it on the hormones.

So you're basing your opinion on a single teenager?????

It has been my experience that teenagers, no matter the sexual orientation, sexual self identification, tend to run the table on moody and sadly, suicidal feelings. It isn't the prescribed hormones but rather the onset of hormones in general, not the source, that causes these issues.

If you pretend there isn't any peer pressure bullying of this child you are very unaware. How many times have 'normal' children been bullied to commit suicide??? How many parents of 'normal' kids worry about their children and suicide???

Calling this issue a fad seems rather ignorant, seems every cultural diversion from for social conservative 'norm' has to get some label... fad perversion tiny minority aberration... heard it too many times, read it in here on the regular.

It appears to me your faux concern masks a cynical disregard for anything but a warped agenda... eace

 

[Irredentist]

Well, good to hear you found a creature high up on the evolution list as an example. Reminds me of someone once telling me that incest among canines is common therefore it is okay for humans too. All I could think when I heard this was that I had a couple of dogs and one of them habitually liked to eat the other dog's feces. So not sure I would go by what dogs and clownfish do as a good example of what critical thinking humans should do.

What do you mean by an "evolution list"? All living creatures on this Earth are equally evolved, because we have all been evolving for the exact same amount of time, since life began. Humans are beasts just like a clownfish is, we simply fill different ecological niches. Being able to change sexes has obvious advantages, hence why other animals have also evolved this ability. Perhaps we shall as well.

 

[SDET]

.06% of the population and you think it's a fad...

Look at how much press they get.

 

[maquiscat]

Part 1

Very often, little girls say they would rather be boys. Maybe less often, little boys would rather be girls. Is it true that their minds and their bodies have opposite sexes? Is this something needing to be fixed?

Context matters. Why are they wishing such? So they can do certain things that it seems only the opposite sex can do? Or is there a disconnect between the self image and the physical body?

We can thank progressives and the gay rights movement for giving us the transgender fad. Should we be grateful?

We have had lots of "medical fads" over the last several decades, including diet ones. Keto is the latest of that type I believe. As far as others, ADD and Autism, have been prominent. On the plus side, those who actually have these conditions can easier receive treatment. On the down side, kids who don't have it are receiving unnecessary treatment, and others are being denied such because, " it's just a tad, it's not real".

I don't know any transgenders directly, but I know someone whose teenage child is a female-to-male transgender. The mother is an extreme liberal/progressive and was always entirely supportive of her daughter's wanting to be male.

I hope the mother went and got her properly diagnosed, and went through the necessary therapy prior to even considering the medical side. Otherwise she is not as supportive as she might think.

Being transgender isn't so hard when you are a very young child, because all you have to do is dress like the other sex. But then at puberty, of course, you need medical interventions.

So this teenager has been taking male hormones. And this teenager is completely miserable and irrational. Of course I don't want to say anything to the mother, but I wonder if that might be caused by the hormones?

It might be, it might not be. Teens can be quite miserable and irrational without drugs or (external) hormones. Furthermore, research is beginning to show that it might not always be wise to start medical treatment during puberty. For MtF's, it can result in not enough growth of the penis to facilitate the conversion surgery. Additionally, not all GD needs surgery or even hormones to alieviate the condition.

To me, this kind of blind faith in modern medicine is typical of progressives. Maybe conservatives also, but I think it's a little more of a progressive thing. And it certainly must be more common among progressives/liberals to let their children be transgender.

I don't think this is as much a liberal/conservative thing, as a modern thing. We want our solutions faster nowadays. We see how fast out tech can evolve, and want our research to move at the same speed. We are constantly either discovering new diseases, disorders, or conditions, or are discovering that we have been misdiagnosising something else as a known one.

And I think it's a bad mistake. If a child has female DNA and a female body, they do NOT have a male mind! Or vice versa.

And how can you be sure of that? We have verified medic cases of chimerism where a person is born with two distinct sets of DNA. The most likely cause is fraternal twins, where one dies early in the zygote stage and is absorbed into the other. If it was a male/female set of twins, they literally could have the genitals of one and the mind of the other. And that is just one possibility of transgenderism.



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[maquiscat]

Con't

If a girl thinks she is really a boy, maybe it's because she prefers the male social role. Or maybe she is homosexual. Why can't she just grow up to be a non-traditional and/or homosexual female?

And these are indeed possibilities than should be looked for over the course of therapy and diagnosis, to ensure a person is trans or not.

Even if you have all that awful surgery, you will never become the other sex. And taking hormones for your whole life, that do not agree with your natural sex, can't be healthy.

There is a reason the language is evolving to separate the concepts of sex and gender in more lay terms. There was already a separation in the medical/science fields.

When I was a kid I definitely wanted to be a boy, because I was athletic and girls weren't supposed to be, in those days. I'm sure lots of other girls felt the same way. Then eventually, we got over it.

Not claiming to know what you went through, but making an educated guess based upon what you wrote: I'm willing to bet that you never actually felt like you were a male trapped in a female body. You just wanted the social ability (you already had the physical ability no doubt) to do what the boys were allowed to do. That is way different that what happens with a person with GD

I feel like this kid is suffering terribly because her/his parents are too caught up in the liberal/progressive gay rights thing.

The thing is, she could be if not properly diagnosed. I will agree that some aspects of the LBGT community are pushing an automatic acceptance of a claim is made. But other sections want kids to be properly diagnosed and other possibilities eliminated before proceeding. The trans community is even divided over whether or not puberty level medical intervention is right or not. Presenting is not contested. And I do know several transgender individuals personally and have watched this schism between them.

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[maquiscat]

Not a fad a mental illness. Where does "transgender" exist anywhere else in nature?

I had a male cat that would let kittens nurse on him.

But it's not something as easily determined in animals since they cannot communicate on the same abstract level as we can. Homosexuality and transgenderism are two separate things, yet there are many possible common behaviors, as well as some of these behaviors being for other than homosexuality or transgenderism.

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[maquiscat]

Like I said, hormones can cause mood swings. She may also be experiencing other difficulties, maybe at school? Who knows. But a doctor would not have prescribed hormones if they didn't believe she wasn't actually transgender.

Sadly, there are many doctors who will jump to certain conclusions without bothering to fully investigate. I just got a post circulating about a woman whose doctors were dismissing what ended up being endometriosis, as bad periods. And that is just a recent example for me. I think we have all heard or experienced where a doctor didn't bother to follow up and a more serious or different issue was later found.

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[maquiscat]

He asked where transgenderism existed in nature, and I told him.

But do animals experience gender as opposed to sex? If not then this would not be transgenderism.

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[AProudLefty]

But do animals experience gender as opposed to sex? If not then this would not be transgenderism.

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Yep. Are There Transgender Proclivities in Animals? | JSTOR Daily

 

[maquiscat]

Yes, that is what I think. It could be real, but maybe most are over-diagnosed. And I think giving those hormones to teenagers CANNOT be good. I think there is way too much faith in modern medicine to fix everything. It fixes certain things, but many things it can't. I think it is MUCH better to learn to live with your natural sex than mess around with hormones and surgery.

The question becomes how bad is a transgender's Gender Dysphoria? Some are mild enough, to use a phrase, that simply presenting as their gender is enough. No hormones or surgery needed. And there are those who are transgender who would rather alter the mind to the body, as opposed to the body to the mind. But currently there isn't a therapy that works, at least not without doing more mental damage than it fixes.

I do agree that we are tending to look to drugs and other medical procedures to deal with things they are not required for. But that doesn't mean that this is necessarily one of them.

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[maquiscat]

Teaching children about religion is NOT as dangerous as throwing chemicals into their brains.

Given the radical religious sects and individuals out there, you are very wrong. When Christians are assaulting gays because they are sinning against God, they give religion a bad name. Radical Muslims are not helping either.

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[maquiscat]

Gender dysphoria is not the same thing as same-sex attraction. Not even close.

True enough but that doesn't mean the kid doesn't confuse one for the other. A gay kid can think that maybe they are transgender because they are attracted to their own sex and exhibit traits of the opposite sex. It's one of the reasons that a complete evaluation needs to be done prior to any treatment with long term effects. And further experience is starting to show that maybe earlier medical, as opposed to psychological, intervention, might actually be detrimental, as I noted in my response to the OP.

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[maquiscat]

It's ok to be a male nurse or a female doctor, for example. It's so much easier now to be non-traditional.

It's statements like this where it greatly shows that people don't realize that history is just a series of events of people being non traditional. Nursing use to be an all male profession, as did teaching.

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[maquiscat]

So is yours! You're a little bug that stings.

Dragonflies don't sting or bite. You're probably thinking horseflies.

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[maquiscat]

Nah!

Enjoying ketchup on a hot dog when you are under 8 years old is a "phase". This other thing is something else, but not a "phase".

I respectfully disagree. It can be a phase, or it can be an issue that isn't actually transgenderism. That doesn't dismiss transgenderism as a possibility. And that is why a proper evaluation is necessary.

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