The real Che Guevara (1 Viewer)

[Hoplite]

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Let see, there are 148 responses and 2327 views of this thread (10/02/10 at 5:00 pm). Each response gets an average of 16 views. Compare to other thread on the “Breaking News” forum, this thread rank number 5 in number of views and number 3 in the ratio response/views, above the average ratio of 10 views per response. Obviously many people are interested in this thread. Get the picture?

So, you're spamming?

 

[Sandokan]

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One of the most nauseating recent celebrations of Guevara took the form of a movie, The Motorcycle Diaries, whose executive producer was Robert Redford (one of the most dedicated Castro apologists in Hollywood, which is saying something). The movie received a standing ovation at the Sundance Festival. About this obnoxious hagiography and whitewash, I will confine myself to quoting Tony Daniels: "It is as if someone were to make a film about Adolf Hitler by portraying him as a vegetarian who loved animals and was against unemployment. This would be true, but rather beside the point." - Jay Nordlinger, National Review, December 31, 2004

 

[Khayembii Communique]

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[spud_meister]

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One of the most nauseating recent celebrations of Guevara took the form of a movie, The Motorcycle Diaries, whose executive producer was Robert Redford (one of the most dedicated Castro apologists in Hollywood, which is saying something). The movie received a standing ovation at the Sundance Festival. About this obnoxious hagiography and whitewash, I will confine myself to quoting Tony Daniels: "It is as if someone were to make a film about Adolf Hitler by portraying him as a vegetarian who loved animals and was against unemployment. This would be true, but rather beside the point." - Jay Nordlinger, National Review, December 31, 2004

Jay Nordlinger is aobviously a fool, to call that movie a whitewash is blatantly dishonest, as it had absolutely nothign to do with Che's communist beliefs, it was a story about two mates going 'round South America on a bike, and the conditions of people is South America, nothing else.

 

[Sandokan]

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Jay Nordlinger is aobviously a fool, to call that movie a whitewash is blatantly dishonest, as it had absolutely nothign to do with Che's communist beliefs, it was a story about two mates going 'round South America on a bike, and the conditions of people is South America, nothing else.

Are you one of those that have romantic feelings about Che? If the hat fits wear it.

There are some who will always have romantic feelings about Guevara, and the Cuban revolution. For this type, Guevara was a true man, not a namby-pamby liberal, but hardcore - pure in his willingness to do the necessary. An anti-Communist of my acquaintance asked a friend of his why she admired Guevara. She answered, "He never sold out." Frank Calzón, executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba, says, "Yes, Guevara was 'courageous' and 'committed.' So are many bank robbers." In the run-up to the Iraq War, I asked Bernard Kouchner - the great French humanitarian and politician - why so many of his countrymen seemed enthusiastic about Saddam Hussein. He said their enthusiasm for Saddam was akin to their attachment to Che: It was a way of expressing anti-Americanism (in brief), the facts about the two men aside. - Jay Nordlinger, National Review, December 31, 2004

 

[MKULTRABOY]

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Comparing Che and Saddam. Thats a new one.

 

[Sandokan]

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Comparing Che and Saddam. Thats a new one.

The freshman protesting the execution of a serial killer with a pacifist sing and wearing a Che hat, that really is a new one.

A few weeks ago, the Hartford Courant ran a photo of a Trinity College freshman who was protesting the execution of a serial killer. He carried a sign that said, "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" - and he was wearing a Che Guevara hat! Talk about sending mixed messages.

Some people take comfort in the fact that Guevara, the Communist who wanted to destroy everything capitalist, has become a commodity. But that comfort is cold - because the unending glorification of this henchman is, yes, an offense to truth, reason, and justice. Think of those who might take his place on those shirts - for instance, Oscar Elías Biscet, one of Castro's longtime prisoners. He is a democrat, a physician - a true one - and an Afro-Cuban (for those who care). He has declared his heroes and models to be Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Not only does he deserve celebration, he could use the publicity - but nothing. - Jay Nordlinger, National Review, December 31, 2004

 

[Sandokan]

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Guevara is not just a dead white guy from a well-to-do family who terrorized a racially mixed nation and executed hundreds of innocents in the late 1950s and 1960s. He is also a symbol of the totalitarian regime that persists in Cuba, which still practices his ideology of intolerance, hatred and repression. It is not the torture and killing alone that make the tragedy. That only describes the methodology. Guevara's wider goal -- to forcibly strip a population of its soul and spirit -- is what is truly frightening and deplorable. - MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, “Che, Cuba and Christmas” Wall Street Journal December 22, 2006.

Mary A. O'Grady has given a very accurate portrait of who really was Che Guvara.

 

[Sandokan]

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"The Black Book of Communism," published in 1999 by Harvard University Press, notes that early in his career Guevara earned a "reputation for ruthlessness; a child in his guerrilla unit who had stolen a little food was immediately shot without trial." In his will, the book says, "this graduate of the school of terror praised the 'extremely useful hatred that turns men into effective, violent, merciless and cold killing machines." - MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, “Che, Cuba and Christmas” Wall Street Journal December 22, 2006.

Luis Ortega writes in his book "Yo Soy El Che!" that Guevara sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaay.....


:Backs away:

 

[Harshaw]

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Jay Nordlinger is aobviously a fool, to call that movie a whitewash is blatantly dishonest, as it had absolutely nothign to do with Che's communist beliefs, it was a story about two mates going 'round South America on a bike, and the conditions of people is South America, nothing else.

No, I would say that pretty much MAKES Nordlinger's point.

 

[Harshaw]

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaay.....


:Backs away:

You think he didn't?

 

[Sandokan]

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Defenders of Guevara can't even claim that his cruelty brought about equality. Today state policy makes it a crime for the raggedly dressed, malnourished and mostly black Cuban people to visit the beaches, museums and amply stocked stores of their own country, while well-fed tourists in fashionable cruise-wear go where they like. This amounts to de facto apartheid. - ] MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, “Che, Cuba and Christmas”, Wall Street Journal December 22, 2006.

Very well put, I couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Sandokan]

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Ernesto "Che" Guevara dreamed of creating the "New Man" at any cost. During the Cuban missile crisis, he was in favor of a nuclear war because he believed that a better world could be built from the ashes, regardless of the cost in millions of lives. By adhering to his anti-American feelings and pro-Soviet stance, he achieved a role in history that stands for one failure after another, both in Cuba, as well as in all the other countries where he went to promote and disseminate Castro’s Revolution.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara had all the characteristics of a ruthless dictator and opponent of freedom. He believed that the end justifies the means, and he fanatically adhered to this gospel. This "idealized icon" is the one who, as a modern day Grand Inquisitor, eliminated many of his foes with a single pistol shot to the back of their heads. And he is also the same one who authored these enhancing words printed in the identity booklets of young Cuban soldiers sent to fight in Angola: "Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks the boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier in an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary." - Sara Lequerica De La Vega, CHE SHOW ONLY GLORIFIES PORTRAIT OF A RUTHLESS KILLER, UCLA Today, October 2004

I wonder what rational will be used to excuse the non wavering support for another monster. Che only lived long enough to slay a few thousand, but his followers still are at it.

 

[Sandokan]

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Mexico City, Oct. 17, 2006 (EFE) - The revolution in Cuba "was not democratic" and neither is it communist now, "but rather a vulgar State capitalism also called 'Fidelismo,'" affirmed the grandson of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, Canek Sanchez Guevara.

In a letter and a "self-interview" that is being published today in the Mexican weekly "Proceso," Canek harshly criticized the "messianism" of Fidel Castro and the change of direction he made for the revolution, transforming himself from "the young revolutionary to the elderly tyrant" who "falsified" an ideal.

The eldest grandchild of Che Guevara stated that the repression that exists in the island, with its "perpetual surveillance over individuals" and "the prohibition of associations that might exist at the margin of the State" is nothing but "a vulgar State capitalism" that, according to him, will die with Fidel.

The eldest grandchild of Che Guevara was born in Cuba; he is 30 years old and is now a Mexican citizen. He presently lives in Oaxaca and is a writer and graphic designer. His mother, Hilda Guevara, was the first child of the guerrilla leader.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

 

[Sandokan]

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I'm pretty sure most of the people wearing the shirts don't actually support the jailing of poets, homosexuals and roqueros (kids who like to rock out). Guevara's own musician grandson fled Cuba after he and his rock'n'roller friends had been terrorized one too many times by the Cuban fuzz for the popular charge of "pre-criminal dangerousness. - Cassandra Wilkinson, “The unpalatable truth about Che Guevara” The Australian, July 14, 2007.

This is a legal charge under Cuban law which allows the regime to detain people whom they think they are likely to commit crimes in the future. The charge carries a penalty of up to four years in prison.

 

[Resist the gov.]

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Ok i would wager that Bush and Obama combined have killed double of the innocents that Che supposedly did, but whose mad a thread on that?

 

[Sandokan]

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The digest may also include the fact that Cuban women had three months' maternity leave before the revolution but not after. Cuba had more female university graduates than the US before the revolution but not after. Cubans had the eight-hour day before the revolution but not after. For all those sensibly upset about Australia's lack of compassion for refugees, I would urge them to consider that before Guevara's revolution, Cuba accepted more immigrants per head of population than the US. Indeed, more Americans moved to Cuba than Cubans moved to the US. - Cassandra Wilkinson, “The unpalatable truth about Che Guevara” The Australian, July 14, 2007.

These are very important accomplishment that took place in Cuba before the so call “revolution”, with people immigrating to the island instead of escaping from it.

 

[commy]

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Che Guevara was one of the few individuals to successfully oppose US capitalism.



He won.







bitches.

 

[commy]

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double? you are way off. maybe 10 times as many? 100 times as many?



closer.

 

[ecofarm]

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Che Guevara was one of the few individuals to successfully oppose US capitalism.

He won.

Cuba, seriously? That's success? THAT'S victory?!


Show me Che's "win". Cuba is made of lose.

 

[Sandokan]

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Those who wear the revolutionary's T-shirt on university campuses should also reflect that one of the key dissident movements in Cuba is the campaign for free libraries. In the upside-down world of Cuba's continuing repression, librarians have become enemies of the state and are being jailed for promoting the counter-revolutionary activity of reading. - Cassandra Wilkinson, “The unpalatable truth about Che Guevara” The Australian, July 14, 2007.

Seems that Bradbury “Fahrenheit 451” about state-sponsored censorshiphas have arrived to Dr. Castro’s island.

 

[Mensch]

Those who idolize Che should really take a close look at his sadistic record:

Cuba Archive: Verdad y Memoria - A Truth and Memory Project - Home

Executing the mentally retarded, kicking pregnant women to the floor, imprisoning tens of thousands of people without a single scrap of judicial evidence (of which Che considered "archaic"). Hundreds of thousands of dead or missing Cubans.

Che doesn't deserve the glory that he receives.

 

[Sandokan]

Great tongue in cheek read. Visit the people’s socialist revolutionary mega-store Che-Mart. Who is Che Guevara

WHO IS CHE GUEVARA?

Che Guevara is the Great Salesman of Communism. He started his glamorous life by killing people who didn't buy his ideas of universal happiness and equality. Although this selling method worked well in South American and African countries, young Ernesto quickly realized that to conquer the world he had to learn other techniques.

He noticed that in the Land of Big Capital some idealistic college students, as well as pimple faced white middleclass teens had already begun to put his unwashed visage on their T-shirts and dorm room walls. Bingo! Like all communists faced with the prospect of making a few dollars, Che decided to try his hand at the mysterious entity known as "work" and "business investment".

A brilliant salesman, Che performed an ingenious maneuver by faking his own death and thus achieving the Jim Morrison type icon status. As the progressive world mourned and idolized his image, Che quietly started printing his own T-shirts in the humble basement of a Bogota Laundromat.

At first the process involved dunking his head in a bucket of ox blood and physically pressing his face on the T-shirt. After sales began to pick up he was able to apply for a small business loan and purchased a screen printing machine.

Che has marketed his brand name brilliantly over the years, selling to specific niche in the market: young people who have no clue what Che has done or what he stands for. The cash keeps flowing as most college dorms world-wide are being adorned with his face, and more and more middle class sons and daughters wear Che products in order to, among other things, wash away the guilt of their well-heeled upbringing.

"It's just cool to wear my stuff. Who cares what I'm about!" says a confident Guevara from his 36th floor office of his world headquarters on Madison Avenue in New York City. His unique product sells solely on popularity, coolness and young people looking to gain acceptance in social circles. "You can essentially turn out complete junk and people will still wear it because they want to be in," declares John Hayden of Consumer Reports magazine.

 

[Sandokan]

"Sales go through the roof as anti-war protests grow in popularity!"
In the near future Che-Mart intends to diversify its global image into several different product lines. There's an Apprentice-style TV show called "The Revolutionary" in the pipeline. The show will pit several left-leaning young people against each other, charging them with such tasks as fermenting revolution in small counties, organizing protests against McDonalds and attacking the police. The winner will receive.????


Today Mr. Guevara commands a huge global business empire with offices in New York, Paris, London and Tokyo. He has been featured in Forbes and Fortune magazines no less than 8 times. With houses in New York, Los Angeles and Aspen, Che has come a long way from his humble revolutionary beginnings. His company has been listed in the Fortune 500 for the last 6 years and Che-Mart has been voted one of the Ten Best Employers in the United States. Recently featured in Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, he is an avid collector of fine art and Ferraris. Che spends his spare time on the slopes of Aspen or socializing with his good friend and business associate Donald Trump. With a fleet of Lear jets he is never too far from corporate boardrooms of the world.

The future is looking bright for Che-Mart as the endless supply of liberal college professors and college students will keep his global empire afloat for the foreseeable future.

Why is it so hard to notice sarcasm these days, or irony for that matter?