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The psychology of climate change denial

Surface Detail said:
So tell us, Jack: Why do you think every single national and international scientific organisation in the world supports the consensus opinion that AGW is real and dangerous?
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Also even fossil fuel companies have to now acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Climate emergency: what the oil, coal and gas giants say | Environment | The Guardian

While at the same time continue to spend enormous amount of money on delaying action on climate change.

Oil And Gas Giants Spend Millions Lobbying To Block Climate Change Policies [Infographic]
 
Surface Detail said:
Only to a conspiracy theorist. A rational person would reasonably assume that the views of each organisation as a whole reflected those of its membership.
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How much evidence would you need to deciede that there might be a level of joint action inspired by some external none-scientific group?
 
Bergslagstroll said:
You have had a half a century of denier propaganda and delay.

Half a century of dither and denial – a climate crisis timeline | Environment | The Guardian

There it have lead to that we are now running out of time in avoiding many of devastating effects of climate change.

IPCC says limiting global warming to 1.5 degC will require drastic action
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We've had 50 years of failed predictions from the climate nuts. And the lemmings keep believing in their religion: Doomsdays that didn’t happen: Think tank compiles decades’ worth of dire climate predictions | Fox News
 
Jack Hays said:
The economic system is irrelevant. China is a one-party state ruled by the CCP. It is a Communist country.
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lol...May I suggest some reading? Preferably something a few grade levels above WUWT.
 
calamity said:
lol...May I suggest some reading? Preferably something a few grade levels above WUWT.
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May I suggest you take note of the capitalization.
As for reading, this was my profession for decades. Economically speaking, most "communist" countries were actually "state capitalist" for many, many years before the communist regimes fell. The change by which you set such store was/is neither unusual nor important.
 
I suggest more attention should be paid to the psychology of climate alarmism.

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Towards a New Theory of Climate with a New Book

October 13, 2019 By jennifer 6 Comments
AS the editor of the last book, and the next book, in the Institute of Public Affairs’ Climate Change: The Facts series I spend a lot of time pondering the nature of ‘facts’. A fact is something that has become known as true. A fact may be … [Read more...]

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[FONT=&quot]Currently what we see from activists is more prophecy than numerically verifiable prediction — certainly no testing of falsifiable theory through what might be considered the scientific method. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Indeed, the leaders of the current populist movement against climate change seem unaware of the history of science or the history of climate change embedded in the geological record. And while obsessed with climate, they seem unable to make a practical forecast for next week or next year when it comes to issues such as when the drought here in Australia might break. . . ." [/FONT]
 
Jack Hays said:
Towards a New Theory of Climate with a New Book

October 13, 2019 By jennifer 6 Comments
[FONT=&]AS the editor of the last book, and the next book, in the Institute of Public Affairs’ Climate Change: The Facts series I spend a lot of time pondering the nature of ‘facts’. A fact is something that has become known as true. A fact may be … [Read more...]

[/FONT][FONT="]". . . There is no doubt that the Western World is currently being significantly affected by climate change activism. But, the more rational amongst us — who are not necessarily those with a more formal education — can perhaps already see that very little of what is currently being articulated by this populist movement resembles fact. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]Currently what we see from activists is more prophecy than numerically verifiable prediction — certainly no testing of falsifiable theory through what might be considered the scientific method. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Indeed, the leaders of the current populist movement against climate change seem unaware of the history of science or the history of climate change embedded in the geological record. And while obsessed with climate, they seem unable to make a practical forecast for next week or next year when it comes to issues such as when the drought here in Australia might break. . . ." [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjvqvz/climate-realists-are-delusional"]Climate ‘Realists’ Are Delusional[/URL]
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This is what fair-mindedness looks like. Let me know when RealClimate posts something by a skeptic.

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[h=1]The Conversation: “democracy may be an obstacle to … action … on climate change”[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Eric Worrall PHD student Christian Elliott is worried that democracy, the tendency for Conservatives to sometimes win elections, is impeding vital progress on climate change; though he hopes that reframing the issue and tackling negative stereotypes may bring Conservatives on board. Both conservatives and liberals can agree on action on climate change October…
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A important part can be to talk about climate change with you friends and family and have a respectful debate.

"Keep in mind that it’s not exactly easy to admit that you’re wrong. If a friend shares fake news about climate change, it’s probably more effective to reach out to them in private than to attack them in front of their friends and family on Facebook. “To some extent, changing your mind can appear to be losing face,” Hugo Mercier, coauthor of The Enigma of Reason, told WBUR’s Here & Now. “It may be easier for them to change their mind if they do it less publicly,” he said.

You might have to prepare yourself for some thorny conversations. Note that climate change isn’t just about facts – it’s also about politics. While a majority of Republicans already believe climate change is happening, caused by human activity, and worth addressing, many conservatives are skeptical about climate policy because it’s seen as liberals’ pet issue. “This tribalism leads to political fights over differences between the parties that either do not exist or are vastly exaggerated,” wrote the psychology professors Leaf Van Boven and David Sherman in the New York Times.

Hundreds of other studies have shown that the best way to get people to stop demonizing each other is to introduce them to the actual human beings they disagree with, as I wrote last month. So if you’re trying to get someone to open their mind, you might consider the idea of a having tough, nuanced conversation … and actually hearing them out.

Good, old-fashioned, respectful debate? I’d take that over a rage fest or shout-a-thon any day."

How to change the minds of climate deniers | US news | The Guardian

Also as say in the OP talk about the great opportunities of renewable energy, something also Republicans are starting to acknowledged.

Daimler Ends Gas Engine Development: Full Focus On Electric Cars

Rise of renewables may see off oil firms decades earlier than they think | Environment | The Guardian

Work on China’s 1,000km maglev railway “to begin next year” - News - GCR

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
 
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Jack Hays said:
I suggest more attention should be paid to the psychology of climate alarmism.

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History has plenty of examples of people who believed in crazy actually acting out their nightmares, like the Jonestown mass suicide, in which 605 adults fed cyanide to 304 children and then themselves, so I’m not sure I share Hickman’s optimism that the climate worrier parents he treats will never act on their murderous impulses.
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Yes the idea that the world is not a nasty place where bad things happen creates many opportunities to allow those nasty things to happen.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
A important part can be to talk about climate change with you friends and family and have a respectful debate.

"Keep in mind that it’s not exactly easy to admit that you’re wrong. If a friend shares fake news about climate change, it’s probably more effective to reach out to them in private than to attack them in front of their friends and family on Facebook. “To some extent, changing your mind can appear to be losing face,” Hugo Mercier, coauthor of The Enigma of Reason, told WBUR’s Here & Now. “It may be easier for them to change their mind if they do it less publicly,” he said.

You might have to prepare yourself for some thorny conversations. Note that climate change isn’t just about facts – it’s also about politics. While a majority of Republicans already believe climate change is happening, caused by human activity, and worth addressing, many conservatives are skeptical about climate policy because it’s seen as liberals’ pet issue. “This tribalism leads to political fights over differences between the parties that either do not exist or are vastly exaggerated,” wrote the psychology professors Leaf Van Boven and David Sherman in the New York Times.

Hundreds of other studies have shown that the best way to get people to stop demonizing each other is to introduce them to the actual human beings they disagree with, as I wrote last month. So if you’re trying to get someone to open their mind, you might consider the idea of a having tough, nuanced conversation … and actually hearing them out.

Good, old-fashioned, respectful debate? I’d take that over a rage fest or shout-a-thon any day."

How to change the minds of climate deniers | US news | The Guardian

Also as say in the OP talk about the great opportunities of renewable energy, something also Republicans are starting to acknowledged.

Daimler Ends Gas Engine Development: Full Focus On Electric Cars

Rise of renewables may see off oil firms decades earlier than they think | Environment | The Guardian

Work on China’s 1,000km maglev railway “to begin next year” - News - GCR

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
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I'd sure like to see the US start constructing more high speed rail projects. Trains are such an enjoyable way to travel. One can get up and walk around. Enjoy a nice meal in the dining car. Go to the observation deck and enjoy the scenery, while playing cards with your traveling companions...
 
Media_Truth said:
I'd sure like to see the US start constructing more high speed rail projects. Trains are such an enjoyable way to travel. One can get up and walk around. Enjoy a nice meal in the dining car. Go to the observation deck and enjoy the scenery, while playing cards with your traveling companions...
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There are some areas where high speed rail could work, and offer some advantages.
I think there are also some legal roadblocks, that would need to be addressed, before that can happen.
Quite a few concessions were granted to the rail road industry, when they were the prime (and mostly only) form of transport
on land. Those concessions, are still around, and their ghost will haunt any new train system.
One need only to look at the current Treasury Bulletin, Table 1-4,
Treasury Bulletin - Current Issue
To see that railroad retirement has it's own line item.
Wow, $5 billion a year, how many retired railroad employees are there out there?
My point is it would not be apple to apple comparison.
 
longview said:
There are some areas where high speed rail could work, and offer some advantages.
I think there are also some legal roadblocks, that would need to be addressed, before that can happen.
Quite a few concessions were granted to the rail road industry, when they were the prime (and mostly only) form of transport
on land. Those concessions, are still around, and their ghost will haunt any new train system.
One need only to look at the current Treasury Bulletin, Table 1-4,
Treasury Bulletin - Current Issue
To see that railroad retirement has it's own line item.
Wow, $5 billion a year, how many retired railroad employees are there out there?
My point is it would not be apple to apple comparison.
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I just watched this video. It looks like your State of Texas, with your hometown of Houston as a destination, may be the country's first privately funded high speed rail line. Sounds great to me!!!

[video]https://www.theb1m.com/video/is-america-finally-on-track-with-high-speed-rail[/video]

I thought it was interesting that the I-45 Texas corridor is one of the most accident-prone, dangerous highways in the US. And the proposed Japanese bullet train has had over 10 billion passengers without 1 death!!!
 
Media_Truth said:
I just watched this video. It looks like your State of Texas, with your hometown of Houston as a destination, may be the country's first privately funded high speed rail line. Sounds great to me!!!

[video]https://www.theb1m.com/video/is-america-finally-on-track-with-high-speed-rail[/video]

I thought it was interesting that the I-45 Texas corridor is one of the most accident-prone, dangerous highways in the US. And the proposed Japanese bullet train has had over 10 billion passengers without 1 death!!!
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They are still working on the idea, the holdup is emanate domain, the government will not force people to sell their property for a private project.
at 250 miles between Houston and Dallas, the distance is about right for the trains to compete with flying.
 
longview said:
They are still working on the idea, the holdup is emanate domain, the government will not force people to sell their property for a private project.
at 250 miles between Houston and Dallas, the distance is about right for the trains to compete with flying.
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longview said:
They are still working on the idea, the holdup is emanate domain, the government will not force people to sell their property for a private project.
at 250 miles between Houston and Dallas, the distance is about right for the trains to compete with flying.
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That distance should even be competitive with the "slow" Swedish high speed trains that only goes 125 Miles per hour. Because flying also means travel to and from the airport and also waiting time at the airport. Also it's much easier to work and be productive during train travel.

European High-Speed Trains | Interrail.eu
 
Media_Truth said:
I'd sure like to see the US start constructing more high speed rail projects. Trains are such an enjoyable way to travel. One can get up and walk around. Enjoy a nice meal in the dining car. Go to the observation deck and enjoy the scenery, while playing cards with your traveling companions...
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Train travel is getting more popular all across the world. For example in Europe.

Why Many Europeans Are Opting for Train Travel Over Flying | Time

While China have constructed 12,000 miles of high-speed rail during the last nine year.

engineering.com
 
Bergslagstroll said:
That distance should even be competitive with the "slow" Swedish high speed trains that only goes 125 Miles per hour. Because flying also means travel to and from the airport and also waiting time at the airport. Also it's much easier to work and be productive during train travel.

European High-Speed Trains | Interrail.eu
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Also depends on where the train station is, High speed trains do not have as many stops.
 
longview said:
Also depends on where the train station is, High speed trains do not have as many stops.
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In may Europe cities it would have been fairly simple to just put the station in the city center. Because in those cities you have walkable city centers with good public transport to the rest of the city. While cities in Texas and other parts of the US are a lot more adopted to cars. So yes you have to put more care into there you place the station/stations. While it could also be great opportunities in combining investments i high speed trains with investments in city public transport.

That there also great benefits in reducing car dependency.

The Negative Consequences of Car Dependency — Strong Towns
 
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