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The ONE question that Mueller simply cannot answer.

iguanaman said:
LOL There is no proof that the election results were not changed either. You cannot prove how propaganda may have changed votes.
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But it is YOU guys who claim that the election results were changed. But, if you want to go on record, do you believe Russia changed the election results or not? If not then this is all for not, partisan rabid garbage to resist Trump.
 
iguanaman said:
So you want to thank Putin and his hackers for breaking our laws to help Trump? How sweet...Trump feels the same way I'm sure. Who will tell us how crooked Trump was to use their help and lie about it?
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I want to thank Putin for exposing the crookedness of Hillary and the DNC. If it had been someone else who exposed it, other than Russia, would you be OK with that? Or, do you think Hillary and the DNC's crookedness should have been kept secret so that the voters didn't know about it?
 
Fearandloathing said:
This is why I ignore you.

Nothing but spewed, two bit, memes and talking points; the usual smear tactics. "there was no collusion!" "there was no collusion!" "there was no collusion!" hurled at me two and three times daily and I've never said anything about "collusion" I don't care about "collusion" and, truth be known, I don't care what happens there. Other than NAFTA there is no impact on my life. I'm only here for the entertainment value.

And, please, I don't "hate" Trump. It's impossible to hate someone you feel sorry for. He must have an incredibly horrid life having to lie about himself, his integrity, accomplishments and sexual practices at every turn. When it's not pity, it's three stooges humor
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Rosenstein and Mueller said there was no collusion! Do you ignore them as well?
 
Perotista said:
If Hillary had won, it would be the right doing the same thing. Such is the hyper partisanship these days.
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Wow. I just posted this very same thing a little while ago. It is very possible that Russia actually expected Hillary to win and wanted the right to be constantly blabbing about their election loss and how the process was rigged. Either way the election turned out, they accomplished their goal. I bet they were just as surprised when Trump won. They had the game rigged so that no matter who won the election, the losing side would lose faith in the election process.
 
What if...? said:
Nobody ever claimed votes were changed.

The Russians were trying to change VOTERS.

How successfull they were may be unknowable.

But that was their intent.
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Of course it was their intent. There's no evidence they succeeded. In fact, given that Hillary pulled in millions more votes, I'm not sure how you'd even suppose they succeeded at all.

And if anything they did could have harmed Hillary, it would be the release of the DNC e-mails. But that was all true information. If people thought less of Hillary because of that, it's because they SHOULD have. No one disputed that it was true. Just because it was released by the Russians, it wouldn't mean it's not a fair basis on which to decide to vote.
 
Moderate Right said:
Rosenstein and Mueller said there was no collusion! Do you ignore them as well?
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Why?

Why am I being constantly harassed when I have never indicated in any way that at this point I care whether there was collusion. It's Trumps meme, which he mutters as a kind of mantra. You like it, keep it, but leave me out.

Nothing about the investigation to date has dealt with the collusion issue in a meaningful way, and the investigation is ongoing. There appears to be a long way to go...so no, I will not as some of you do scream "lock her up" on the one hand where there is no evidence, but seem to want to "clear" Trump with the same logic.

So, we have NO PROOF there was collusion and no clearing evidence there wasn't, it is entirely in keeping with the atmosphere of dishonesty that you would you the lack of a mention of something as some king of proof of something.

So pardon me that I won't play your game and remain as I am, commenting on the evidence and actions IN HAND. You can stay with the fiction begun at "largest inaugural in history". Fiction has been the tool of the right to date so, no, I take the word of a Trumpie never.

In closing, I am still the guy who was known for tearing into Obama, and had very little good to say about him, I am also on record as saying Hillary is unfit for office.....so forget the hate card OK? You can save yourself time and effort by remembering that and not accusing me of bias.

We're done here. That post kind of erased what respect I had for you
 
Fearandloathing said:
Why?

Why am I being constantly harassed when I have never indicated in any way that at this point I care whether there was collusion. It's Trumps meme, which he mutters as a kind of mantra. You like it, keep it, but leave me out.

Nothing about the investigation to date has dealt with the collusion issue in a meaningful way, and the investigation is ongoing. There appears to be a long way to go...so no, I will not as some of you do scream "lock her up" on the one hand where there is no evidence, but seem to want to "clear" Trump with the same logic.

So, we have NO PROOF there was collusion and no clearing evidence there wasn't, it is entirely in keeping with the atmosphere of dishonesty that you would you the lack of a mention of something as some king of proof of something.

So pardon me that I won't play your game and remain as I am, commenting on the evidence and actions IN HAND. You can stay with the fiction begun at "largest inaugural in history". Fiction has been the tool of the right to date so, no, I take the word of a Trumpie never.

In closing, I am still the guy who was known for tearing into Obama, and had very little good to say about him, I am also on record as saying Hillary is unfit for office.....so forget the hate card OK? You can save yourself time and effort by remembering that and not accusing me of bias.

We're done here. That post kind of erased what respect I had for you
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Point taken.
 
Moderate Right said:
Wow. I just posted this very same thing a little while ago. It is very possible that Russia actually expected Hillary to win and wanted the right to be constantly blabbing about their election loss and how the process was rigged. Either way the election turned out, they accomplished their goal. I bet they were just as surprised when Trump won. They had the game rigged so that no matter who won the election, the losing side would lose faith in the election process.
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Pretty much. Trump laid a lot of the ground work by stating if he lost, the election was rigged. After seeing the rigged Democratic Primaries, he probably could have convince folks than just his avid followers. Strange that no Democrat is complaining or ranting and raving about their primaries being rigged? Of course the person they wanted to win and rigged the primaries for, won. That may make all the difference.

I believe you're right, the Russians were as surprised with a Trump victory as we were. I certainly was surprised. I never seen it coming. I should have, the trends were all there, the numbers said it was possible, but I dismissed them. There are tons of Democrats out there that will still not accept the election results. But they have only themselves to blame and a candidate that was extremely lazy with a very inept campaign.

Yeah, the Russians got exactly what they wanted. The Democrats who still refuse to admit their candidate lost and an egotistical, idiotic president that creates even more division among us than the Russians could ever do.
 
Moderate Right said:
Rosenstein and Mueller said there was no collusion! Do you ignore them as well?
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So Mueller sent you an advanced copy of his findings? Do post Mueller's exhoneration of combover please, so we can all see?
 
Moderate Right said:
Please show proof of a mental decline. You guys on the left think that everyone on the right has "mental decline". Just because you don't agree with the other side's politics doesn't mean they suffer from mental decline.
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Watch some old videos of him speaking off the cuff and some new ones.

They speak for themselves.
 
Moderate Right said:
But it is YOU guys who claim that the election results were changed. But, if you want to go on record, do you believe Russia changed the election results or not? If not then this is all for not, partisan rabid garbage to resist Trump.
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Election results can he changed a number of ways.

You can hack the machinery.

Or you can hack the voters.
 
Moderate Right said:
The thing is, the content of the hacked Wikileaks emails shows how crooked Hillary and the DNC were. That's something the left has never been able to overcome, constantly arguing that if the emails hadn't been hacked and released, voters would have never known how crooked Hillary the DNC were.
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I was glad those emails were leaked, and it just confirmed how corrupt most of us knew the DNC is and how in the bag it was for Hillary. But that is a separate issue from Russia funding a $1M/month psyop targeting our electorate.
 
Harshaw said:
Of course it was their intent. There's no evidence they succeeded. In fact, given that Hillary pulled in millions more votes, I'm not sure how you'd even suppose they succeeded at all.

And if anything they did could have harmed Hillary, it would be the release of the DNC e-mails. But that was all true information. If people thought less of Hillary because of that, it's because they SHOULD have. No one disputed that it was true. Just because it was released by the Russians, it wouldn't mean it's not a fair basis on which to decide to vote.
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And you feel the same way about the fisa warrant situation?

As long as what they find is accurate you don't care how they wrnt about it?
 
What if...? said:
And you feel the same way about the fisa warrant situation?

As long as what they find is accurate you don't care how they wrnt about it?
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I gotta say you got a point there What if, both need to be investigate to the fullest, but we get to pick a bunch of HILLERY and Obama’s haters to do the investigation,would you agree that’s only fair?


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If Hilary had won, this wouldn't be a story. Hell, it wouldn't have even been investigated.
 
What if...? said:
And you feel the same way about the fisa warrant situation?

As long as what they find is accurate you don't care how they wrnt about it?
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I don't have a position on the FISA warrants, but the comparison is apples to oranges. There are higher standards for warrants than there are for votes or personal opinions.
 
MrShangles said:
I gotta say you got a point there What if, both need to be investigate to the fullest, but we get to pick a bunch of HILLERY and Obama’s haters to do the investigation,would you agree that’s only fair?


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As long as they do their jobs I don't care who they like.
 
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