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The November Election is going to be a disaster.

Fletch said:
Really? Which ones?
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So far I've found Connecticut, Missouri, and S Carolina. However, it looks like there is action on going trying to change it.

There are currently 34 states that allow absentee ballots without an excuse. Here are the states that require one:

Alabama
Arkansas
Connecticut
Delaware
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
New York
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia

Most of them will allow absentee ballots for covid.

With that being said I'm with you here. I think this is getting blown out of proportion. Hopefully these states can learn from the debacle in Wisconsin.
 
BlueTex said:
I’ll bet the missing number of ballots equals the same percentage of unreturned Publishers Sweepstakes entry forms that were unreturned...


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The postal service loses, or mis-delivers about 6 billion pieces of mail per year. Tell us you have 100% confidence in a mail-in voting system for the presidential election. I don't.
 
apdst said:
The postal service loses, or mis-delivers about 6 billion pieces of mail per year. Tell us you have 100% confidence in a mail-in voting system for the presidential election. I don't.
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Source for that?

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Helix said:
Republicans will make voting as difficult as possible. It's their best strategy to protect the precious.
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Voting in person will be as easy and safe as going to Walmart or Kroger or Publix or visiting your doctor or dentist.

If you can haul in groceries from those locations or get a medical check-up without keeling over and dying, you will be okay with voting in person.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The basic point to all of this, is that making it easier to vote, means Republicans lose.

Trump literally said it.

And on that basis, they will fight mail-in voting with everything they've got.

And logistically, unless the USA acts quickly, yes it will be a disaster and it doesn't look like you'll act quickly.

The USA only seems to act with gusto when it involves bombing brown people in distant lands, other than that, it's hurry up and wait for pretty much everything else.
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Mail in voting is an illegal poll tax in the amount of one stamp.....whatever that is......it changes so often nobody really knows the price of a forever stamp.
 
Barnacle said:
Voting in person will be as easy and safe as going to Walmart or Kroger or Publix or visiting your doctor or dentist.

If you can haul in groceries from those locations or get a medical check-up without keeling over and dying, you will be okay with voting in person.
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Tell that to the twenty plus people here in Wisconsin who caught C19 while voting
And that was not a presidential election.

This fall could even be deadlier...
 
Drawdown said:
Mail in voting is an illegal poll tax in the amount of one stamp.....whatever that is......it changes so often nobody really knows the price of a forever stamp.
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What are you talking about, ever here of postage paid envelopes???

I will save a few bucks in gas, much more than a stamp...
 
Barnacle said:
Voting in person will be as easy and safe as going to Walmart or Kroger or Publix or visiting your doctor or dentist.

If you can haul in groceries from those locations or get a medical check-up without keeling over and dying, you will be okay with voting in person.
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City voters knew what they were getting into in Wisconsin trying to vote. This will be a piece of **** discussion for the next 183 days in just the short run.

Meat-packing plant workers DID NOT know what they were getting into. Since so many of them are minorities, who gives a **** about them, correct? They’ve been ordered back with no protection.
 
NWRatCon said:
While we are still in the midst of what is becoming a nearly meaningless primary season, the General Election is only 6 months away. It is going to be an unmitigated disaster if we don't act soon. And, we're not going to act soon. While Support Grows for Voting by Mail During Health Crisis (VoA), Few States Are Prepared To Switch To Voting By Mail. That Could Make For A Messy Election. (FiveThirtyEight).It is estimated that switching the Presidential General Election to all-mail voting would cost $1.4 Billion. But money isn't the only object. There is the partisan nature of election security - Republicans, for some reason, are dead set against mail-in voting and are opposing it all over. "In reality, most studies have shown that mail voting does not advantage either party, and voter fraud is extremely rare, both in person and by mail."

But the larger problem is the lead time it requires to prepare for an election. Most States simply don't have the infrastructure to put together an all-mail election the size and scope of a Presidential. ("A full 29 states (plus D.C.) sent ballots to fewer than 10 percent of their registered voters in 2018.") Some States don't even print ballots, relying on electronic voting machines nearly exclusively (talk about lack of election security!). And then, there are the people and machines required to count those ballots.

This is a major lift, will require federal support, and a complete revamping of the majority of jurisdictions. "The U.S. Election Assistance Commission’s recommended timeline to expand the use of vote-by-mail starts in the first week of April — which was, of course, four weeks ago.' I'm sure most of us are familiar with the term "planned obsolescence". This is looking like "planned disaster".
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Why not just practice social distancing and keep the poll booths open for 2 days and just allow bona fide citizens of the US vote. Organize it so certain areas can vote on day 1 and different areas on day 2, even add a 3rd day if necessary. Problem solved.
 
GDViking said:
What are you talking about, ever here of postage paid envelopes???

I will save a few bucks in gas, much more than a stamp...
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Your support of poll taxes and voter suppression is noted.
 
GDViking said:
Tell that to the twenty plus people here in Wisconsin who caught C19 while voting
And that was not a presidential election.
This fall could even be deadlier...
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"... Wisconsin Department of Health Services Deputy Secretary Julie Willems Van Dijk said that the 19 people received positive test results after April 9, which was first reported Tuesday by Talking Points Memo.
However, Willems Van Dijk said that several of those people "reported other possible exposures as well."
"Since we only have data on positive cases (without a comparison group of people who were not tested or tested negative), there is no way to know with certainty if any exposures at the polls that are reported are in fact attributable to COVID-19 illness," Willems Van Dijk said in a statement provided to CNN Wednesday. ..."

19 coronavirus cases connected to Wisconsin election, state health official says - CNNPolitics
 
I would support mail in ballots if there were some way to guarantee ID.
 
HennyBogan said:
Why not just practice social distancing and keep the poll booths open for 2 days and just allow bona fide citizens of the US vote. Organize it so certain areas can vote on day 1 and different areas on day 2, even add a 3rd day if necessary. Problem solved.
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It'll be nice if any Republican legislators/Governors will allow that.
 
NWRatCon said:
While we are still in the midst of what is becoming a nearly meaningless primary season, the General Election is only 6 months away. It is going to be an unmitigated disaster if we don't act soon. And, we're not going to act soon. While Support Grows for Voting by Mail During Health Crisis (VoA), Few States Are Prepared To Switch To Voting By Mail. That Could Make For A Messy Election. (FiveThirtyEight).It is estimated that switching the Presidential General Election to all-mail voting would cost $1.4 Billion. But money isn't the only object. There is the partisan nature of election security - Republicans, for some reason, are dead set against mail-in voting and are opposing it all over. "In reality, most studies have shown that mail voting does not advantage either party, and voter fraud is extremely rare, both in person and by mail."

But the larger problem is the lead time it requires to prepare for an election. Most States simply don't have the infrastructure to put together an all-mail election the size and scope of a Presidential. ("A full 29 states (plus D.C.) sent ballots to fewer than 10 percent of their registered voters in 2018.") Some States don't even print ballots, relying on electronic voting machines nearly exclusively (talk about lack of election security!). And then, there are the people and machines required to count those ballots.

This is a major lift, will require federal support, and a complete revamping of the majority of jurisdictions. "The U.S. Election Assistance Commission’s recommended timeline to expand the use of vote-by-mail starts in the first week of April — which was, of course, four weeks ago.' I'm sure most of us are familiar with the term "planned obsolescence". This is looking like "planned disaster".
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And Trump is trying his level best to cripple the USPS any way he can anyway, so even if we could put together an "emergency" style agreement to vote by mail somehow, there's the possibility that the Post Office will no longer have sufficient personnel to do the job.
Six hundred thousand postal workers are about to be cut loose if they don't get the needed funding this summer.

People in France lose their [censored] PUBICLY if there's so much as a tiny cut in annual sick leave pay every year.
Here, we are now normalizing things like fifteen dollar cans of Lysol, outbidding a hostile federal agency for 50 cent masks at seven bucks per, and pretending that eliminating the Post Office is a good business decision when in reality it is the biggest and most unconstitutional attack on voting by mail imaginable, for the exclusive benefit of manipulating the election by one party in particular.

Our "elected leadership" is hinting in a not so subtle way that laws do not apply to them at all, that the law is whatever they speak out of their mouth.

Our "elected leadership" is openly saying "drop dead" to people who don't agree with them.

DROP DEAD.
LITERALLY.

And their admirers are willing to express their agreement with threats of civil war.

What's going to get normalized next?
I can't wait. 😱
 
GDViking said:
So now a postage free mail in ballots are a poll tax?

Interesting...
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To get an absentee ballot you must have a mailing address. Your are disenfranchising the homeless.

We should vote electronically. Just do it through the obamacare website.
 
Barnacle said:
Voting in person will be as easy and safe as going to Walmart or Kroger or Publix or visiting your doctor or dentist.

If you can haul in groceries from those locations or get a medical check-up without keeling over and dying, you will be okay with voting in person.
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But trump mentioned these as C19 testing sites??

Was he planning ahead??
 
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