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The New Definition of Atheism

I have understood the same thing.

In a 12 step program or in the world's religions, the "Higher Power" seems to take various forms and provide various instructions.

From your comment, it seems that the person you were driving was not helped by the program. Did he find help elsewhere?

No, I had to give up volunteering in this fashion to become a part time carer for my aged parents. I still do this, and now my younger brother has been permanently and severely disabled through a recent accident, which has taken its toll on all of us, as well as increasing my commitment in this area. Not that I'm complaining at all, for all one really has in life is family and there is nothing I wouldn't do for them.
 
And of course the usual theist insult, their last resort when they paint themselves into a corner.

And the noise of the peanut gallery is always in the background...:2razz:
 
About this definition of Atheism that desperate atheists are trying to peddle - you do know how ridiculous it is to encroach on agnosticism - claiming to be both!

But there are some who think they got the smart answer: they cite that atheism is simply "lack of belief."
Now, that, is truly laughable!


Why? here:











You folks go through all these complicated explanations getting yourselves twisted like pretzels......:lamo


...............................if you don't believe God exists - why don't you just simply own it? :mrgreen:



Ummmm....we don’t accept your claim that God exists on the front end, so there is nothing for us to believe or not believe in. That’s what makes us atheists and not agnostics.
 
Why should Anyone take Theists who claim to believe in God seriously if they have no problem with the Abomination of Hypocrisy (unto God) or bear false witness?

Ten simple Commandments from God not the Expense of Government!
 
No, I had to give up volunteering in this fashion to become a part time carer for my aged parents. I still do this, and now my younger brother has been permanently and severely disabled through a recent accident, which has taken its toll on all of us, as well as increasing my commitment in this area. Not that I'm complaining at all, for all one really has in life is family and there is nothing I wouldn't do for them.

Wow! That sounds like a heavy set of responsibilities. I hope that you make it through with strength.

Your family is lucky to have you.
 
That's interesting to me, I always found chemistry quite interesting but never took that further after school, physics and electronics and later software design is was caught my imagination when I was younger.

From debating/arguing with people on internet forums about these kinds of subjects for probably thirty years, I've come to realize that there is a huge problem in education regarding the foundations of science.

James Burke whom I cited above, is perhaps one of the best educators on science, its history and development, he makes it quite clear that scientific progress owes a great deal to accident, trial and error, necessity, commerce.

The much lauded "scientific method" touted by so many atheists is such an artificial way of describing science too, the scientific method is not what drives science, it comes much later after wandering down blind alleys, speculating, supposing, pursuing dead ends, developing unconventional ideas and so on.

These activities get little attention in education which instead misrepresents science as some formal process that gradually increases our knowledge - if only we follow "the method".

A lot of atheists I encounter would do well to educate themselves on the history of science and the biographies of scientists, they'll develop and insight that our dry, dull, education system has lost track of.

You've been debating for thirty years and thw sort of repetitive pablum that you post in here is the best you can do?

BTW, the scientific method is not "touted" only by atheists, but by many scientists themselves.


Definition of scientific method
: principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses
 
You've been debating for thirty years and thw sort of repetitive pablum that you post in here is the best you can do?

BTW, the scientific method is not "touted" only by atheists, but by many scientists themselves.


Definition of scientific method
: principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses


It's a common tactic among the apologists: if one cannot demonstrate that one's particular god exists, then attack science. If that fails, then adapt one's argument to accommodate science, but ignore the methodology and simply rely on mere assertion.

And if that fails, then simply insult the intelligence of the atheist.
 
It's a common tactic among the apologists: if one cannot demonstrate that one's particular god exists, then attack science. If that fails, then adapt one's argument to accommodate science, but ignore the methodology and simply rely on mere assertion.

And if that fails, then simply insult the intelligence of the atheist.

Exactly.
 
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