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The New Definition of Atheism

Actually, what you cannot do, it what you are trying to do, is to claim that X is “evidence” of Y! That is obviously an errant claim to make!

So you must disagree with this "Seeing trees sway (X) is evidence that the wind is blowing (Y)"? is that an incorrect use of the word "evidence" in your opinion?

Be careful how you answer because whether I continue to respond to you depends on your answer, ball's in your court...
 
That's interesting to me, I always found chemistry quite interesting but never took that further after school, physics and electronics and later software design is was caught my imagination when I was younger.

From debating/arguing with people on internet forums about these kinds of subjects for probably thirty years, I've come to realize that there is a huge problem in education regarding the foundations of science.

James Burke whom I cited above, is perhaps one of the best educators on science, its history and development, he makes it quite clear that scientific progress owes a great deal to accident, trial and error, necessity, commerce.

The much lauded "scientific method" touted by so many atheists is such an artificial way of describing science too, the scientific method is not what drives science, it comes much later after wandering down blind alleys, speculating, supposing, pursuing dead ends, developing unconventional ideas and so on.

These activities get little attention in education which instead misrepresents science as some formal process that gradually increases our knowledge - if only we follow "the method".

A lot of atheists I encounter would do well to educate themselves on the history of science and the biographies of scientists, they'll develop and insight that our dry, dull, education system has lost track of.

And I always thought electronics was interesting but you have to make a living, so I stuck with what I knew.

Speaking of stumbling down blind alleys, I was working on something that had a reaction time that was too fast to make it usable. One day I added something for a completely different property and it slowed the reaction time enough to make it manageable. We really didn't know why but when I told my boss about it and he said that if it was true he wanted to patent it. I think the insinuation was that I was seeing things. Some time later I was browsing a polymer science textbook looking for something else and I found out that it was in fact a known phenomenon.

That's one of my many serendipitous moments.
 
Of course science moves forward and there is gobs yet to be discovered. Man, with our puny little brains, will never know everything. But science continues to seek, and modern science with its extensive network of peer review, provided and excellent basis for understanding the mysteries of nature.

Tell me, what is "science".
 
And I always thought electronics was interesting but you have to make a living, so I stuck with what I knew.

Speaking of stumbling down blind alleys, I was working on something that had a reaction time that was too fast to make it usable. One day I added something for a completely different property and it slowed the reaction time enough to make it manageable. We really didn't know why but when I told my boss about it and he said that if it was true he wanted to patent it. I think the insinuation was that I was seeing things. Some time later I was browsing a polymer science textbook looking for something else and I found out that it was in fact a known phenomenon.

That's one of my many serendipitous moments.

Fascinating, that's just the kind of thing Burke covers in his superb TV series "Connections", definitely something you'd appreciate if you've never seen it, here's episode 1, this was initially released in the 1970s when I was immersed in physics, math and electronics:

 
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Definitions are updated all the time depending on new information . Yes, that used to be the definition of atheist when it was theists who determined it, it when real atheists entered the scene, they demanded that it be updated in a more objective manner such that it did not ASSUME that there was a “God” in which to believe. And most reputable dictionaries have done so.

Exactly. These definition in old dictionaries were written by Christians in the 1800s through the 1950s. They viewed atheism very negatively and didn't properly understand what atheism was really about. Today, modern dictionaries are updating their definitions to reflect the original definition and what atheists actually believe.
 
Fascinating, that's just the kind of thing Burke covers in his superb TV series "Connections", definitely something you'd appreciate if you've never seen it, here's episode 1, this was initially released in the 1970s when I was immersed in physics, math and electronics:



I watched a little bit of it on my phone but the rest will have to wait until I get back on my desktop. Thanks.
 
David, I am eager to see your explanation for the contradiction you posted.

You know, where you wrote "there is no such thing as truth" and yet seem to regard the statement itself as a truth?
 
That's interesting to me, I always found chemistry quite interesting but never took that further after school, physics and electronics and later software design is was caught my imagination when I was younger.

From debating/arguing with people on internet forums about these kinds of subjects for probably thirty years, I've come to realize that there is a huge problem in education regarding the foundations of science.

James Burke whom I cited above, is perhaps one of the best educators on science, its history and development, he makes it quite clear that scientific progress owes a great deal to accident, trial and error, necessity, commerce.

The much lauded "scientific method" touted by so many atheists is such an artificial way of describing science too, the scientific method is not what drives science, it comes much later after wandering down blind alleys, speculating, supposing, pursuing dead ends, developing unconventional ideas and so on.

These activities get little attention in education which instead misrepresents science as some formal process that gradually increases our knowledge - if only we follow "the method".

A lot of atheists I encounter would do well to educate themselves on the history of science and the biographies of scientists, they'll develop and insight that our dry, dull, education system has lost track of.

You are a shining example of the problems with education.
 
David, I am eager to see your explanation for the contradiction you posted.

You know, where you wrote "there is no such thing as truth" and yet seem to regard the statement itself as a truth?

There is no contradiction. It is a fact that there is no such thing as truth. Truth is a man made concept that really has no definite meaning.
 
There is no contradiction. It is a fact that there is no such thing as truth. Truth is a man made concept that really has no definite meaning.

Is the statement you made "It is a fact that there is no such thing as truth" true or false?
 
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Is the statement "It is a fact that there is no such thing as truth" true or false?

It is a fact. Do you know what fact means? Truth is not the resulting answer to whether or not something is true or false, despite your attempt to make it that way with your obvious ploy of a question. The answer to whether of not Donald Trump is POTUS is yes, it is a fact. But that is not the same a a truth. Do you know what a truth is?
 
So therefore your assertion "there is no such thing as truth" cannot be true David, can it? (You make this too easy for me sometimes).



This is nonsense David. Consider CERN and the huge volumes of data each experiment produces, that carefully crafted human experiment does indeed generate evidence, "gathering" evidence implies a passive collecting whereas generating evidence implies an contrived, active participation in processes that produce data otherwise hard or impossible to access.



What does "Science does come to general conclusions that do not change radically" mean? what does "radical" mean here in the context of scientific discovery?



Watch the Burke clip, a student of Wittgenstein's said that people must have been stupid to think the sun went around the earth when every school kid knows the earth goes around the sun.



People believed that the sun went around the earth David not because they were superstitious or religious but because that's exactly what they observed, it was a very reasonable, scientific inference for them to make.

While we're here tell me, do you believe that the earth orbits the sun?

CERN does not generate evidence. The evidence is already there.
 
It is a fact. Do you know what fact means? Truth is not the resulting answer to whether or not something is true or false, despite your attempt to make it that way with your obvious ploy of a question. The answer to whether of not Donald Trump is POTUS is yes, it is a fact. But that is not the same a a truth. Do you know what a truth is?

Ha, this is truly making my day.

So tell me David is the statement you just made "It is a fact" true or false?
 
Can't prove your god exists? Then attack the scientific method! That's a great diversion!

Whew!

To whom was this remark addressed? and what specifically did they say that you disagree with?
 
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