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The New Definition of Atheism

code1211 said:
Many of the recovered have experienced a higher power to which they attribute credit for helping them to achieve their goals.

The number of AA success stories is impressively high, but only a sliver of the folks claiming to have experienced a higher power.
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Again, can you show it's more than a placebo? Do you know the success rate of AA? According to some studies, it's between 5 to 10 percent, sharply contrasting with AA claims

The Surprising Failures of 12 Steps - The Atlantic


Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA): Important to Know
 
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Lisa said:
Theism is a viewpoint because you believe that God exists. Atheism and agnosticism are equally valid and unlike theism, they are logically supported because believers have yet to put forth evidence that supports that their sentient creator actually sexists in a way that can be falsifiable and testable by people who are not believers.

As I have explained to you believe you are making the claim that a creator exists so the logical burden of proof is on you to prove that you claim is true with evidence that doesn't rely on faith and belief. Believers of all theistic faiths have failed at that task for the past 2000+ years because they continue to rely on faith and belief. Ergo, God does not exist.
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Very well spoken. Sherlock double-talk to follow......
 
tosca1 said:
About this definition of Atheism that desperate atheists are trying to peddle - you do know how ridiculous it is to encroach on agnosticism - claiming to be both!

But there are some who think they got the smart answer: they cite that atheism is simply "lack of belief."
Now, that, is truly laughable!


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You folks go through all these complicated explanations getting yourselves twisted like pretzels......:lamo


...............................if you don't believe God exists - why don't you just simply own it? :mrgreen:
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How utterly unsurprising! You lose. Again.

What is Atheism? | American Atheists

Atheism is one thing: A lack of belief in gods.

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these definitions. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as “there is no God” betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read “there are no gods.”
 
watsup said:
It does indeed, but since you absolutely refuse to acknowledge a foundation of logic that “a negative can’t be proven”, it then becomes easy for you to make inaccurate statement comparing atheist to theists, the point being that it is incumbent upon those who propose a POSITIVE statement to then offer objective evidence for it, no requirement for the opposition to “disprove” it until you do so.
All you are offering is he very simplistic and WRONG claim that believers always fall back on: “prove there is no God”.
Like I said, dry simplistic, but no real meaning since it does not apply I a LOGIC manner.
But keep repeating it is you feel like it. All that it shows is that you negate your own arguments at their foundation.

(Sherlock double-talk to follow).
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Non-sense. What evidence do you have for histories recorded in history books?

Atheism is the fallacious belief that humans depend on evidence to get to a truth, but humans actually rely on testimonies to get to a truth. No one even bothers to go through all experiments to get the scientific truths. Science in a nutshell is the testimonies of an extremely small amount of scientists professed in a particular scientific field.

Do you math! How many humans actually tested relativity in order believe that it is so? 99.99% don't bother doing any lab to get to any truth, even when science is a phenomenon repeatedly available, unlike histories which mostly are one time events happened in the long past.
What evidence do you have for the foods you ate in your own past birthday parties? Do you friends need evidence to believe what you tell? Humans in majority don't have the ability to get to a truth directly. That's why 99.99% of them, under all circumstance, will have to rely on testimonies to get to a truth!


Get a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
How utterly unsurprising! You lose. Again.

What is Atheism? | American Atheists

Atheism is one thing: A lack of belief in gods.

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these definitions. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as “there is no God” betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read “there are no gods.”
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Exactly. And the pop theists continue to offer the wrong definition because it fits their preconceived notions of atheism.
 
watsup said:
They were irrelevant double-talk, as usual.
I choose not to go down every single rabbit hole you construct.
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I disagree, they seem perfectly reasonable to me and they arise very naturally form what you said in the post that preceded them.

Let's take just one of them for now, this one:

Sherlock Holmes said:
What is the difference between someone "pointing out" and "proving"?
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Why do you think that question is "double-talk"?
 
Hawkins said:
Non-sense. What evidence do you have for histories recorded in history books?

Atheism is the fallacious belief that humans depend on evidence to get to a truth, but humans actually rely on testimonies to get to a truth. No one even bothers to go through all experiments to get the scientific truths. Science in a nutshell is the testimonies of an extremely small amount of scientists professed in a particular scientific field.

Do you math! How many humans actually tested relativity in order believe that it is so? 99.99% don't bother doing any lab to get to any truth, even when science is a phenomenon repeatedly available, unlike histories which mostly are one time events happened in the long past.
What evidence do you have for the foods you ate in your own past birthday parties? Do you friends need evidence to believe what you tell? Humans in majority don't have the ability to get to a truth directly. That's why 99.99% of them, under all circumstance, will have to rely on testimonies to get to a truth!


Get a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Superb!
 
watsup said:
Exactly. And the pop theists continue to offer the wrong definition because it fits their preconceived notions of atheism.
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Watsup I'll work with any definition you like I just ask that at least admit there are several different definitions, why is this so difficult for you?
 
watsup said:
Simply not true. Atheists repeatedly state that since there is not an iota of real and objective evidence for “God”, then the LOGICAL assumption is that no such entity exists. Please pay better attention in the future.
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These kinds of snide insults are what get threads closed: "Please pay better attention in the future."
 
Airyaman said:
Why does theism get to be based on beliefs but atheism as a lack of belief is wrong? Both are simply human viewpoints on the concepts of deities.
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Because atheism is not simply a "lack of belief", they hate everybody who is not like them. Except Muslims, for some reason.
 
tosca1 said:
About this definition of Atheism that desperate atheists are trying to peddle - you do know how ridiculous it is to encroach on agnosticism - claiming to be both!

But there are some who think they got the smart answer: they cite that atheism is simply "lack of belief."
Now, that, is truly laughable!


Why? here:











You folks go through all these complicated explanations getting yourselves twisted like pretzels......:lamo


...............................if you don't believe God exists - why don't you just simply own it? :mrgreen:
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You think that is Bad, Theists who allege to believe in God yet bear false witness and practice the Abomination of Hypocrisy (unto God) are worse. Ten simple Commandments from God not the Expense of Government!
 
it's just me said:
Because atheism is not simply a "lack of belief", they hate everybody who is not like them. Except Muslims, for some reason.
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Utter nonsense. But if it were true, it still makes atheists better than you because you hate everybody. Your disdain for those you consider beneath you is palpable in every post.
 
NWO_Spook said:
I have not met a priest that would say something so obviously incorrect and divisive. What church would openly promote such nonsense?
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Priests are just people. Some priests are assholes.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
These kinds of snide insults are what get threads closed: "Please pay better attention in the future."
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You continually make snide remarks about atheists, both in general and toward individuals. You have plenty of guilt in that respect. Please avoid doing so in the future.
 
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