The Latest: California vaccine exemption bill advances

[joko104]

California lawmakers are advancing tougher rules for vaccinations despite hearing hours of testimony from hundreds of opponents.

]The Senate Health Committee late Wednesday approved the proposal to give state public health officials instead of local doctors the power to decide which children can skip their shots before attending school.

The Latest: California vaccine exemption bill advances

People should look at this very hard as this is what socializing the healthcare system will bring. You won't be diagnosed by doctors. Neither you nor doctors will make your healthcare decisions. Government bureaucratic hacks will make your healthcare decisions based upon whatever political and social agenda they want to push.

Add to that how many times Democrats and liberals have openly said they hope old people die off because they tend to be conservative and you can understand that socialized medicine will be a death sentence to millions.

 

[Phys251]

California lawmakers are advancing tougher rules for vaccinations despite hearing hours of testimony from hundreds of opponents.

]The Senate Health Committee late Wednesday approved the proposal to give state public health officials instead of local doctors the power to decide which children can skip their shots before attending school.

The Latest: California vaccine exemption bill advances

People should look at this very hard as this is what socializing the healthcare system will bring. You won't be diagnosed by doctors. Neither you nor doctors will make your healthcare decisions. Government bureaucratic hacks will make your healthcare decisions based upon whatever political and social agenda they want to push.

Add to that how many times Democrats and liberals have openly said they hope old people die off because they tend to be conservative and you can understand that socialized medicine will be a death sentence to millions.

Did you even read the article that you posted, Joko?

Lawmakers decided stronger oversight is needed to stem bogus exemptions granted in many cases by doctors who are paid to excuse students from vaccinations.

Supporters say unvaccinated students are helping to spread measles outbreaks in California and elsewhere. The bill was backed by dozens of medical professionals and students.

The goal is to keep anti-vaxxer parents from letting their children be a health risk to society. You would support that, wouldn't you?

 

[Bucky]

California lawmakers are advancing tougher rules for vaccinations despite hearing hours of testimony from hundreds of opponents.

]The Senate Health Committee late Wednesday approved the proposal to give state public health officials instead of local doctors the power to decide which children can skip their shots before attending school.

The Latest: California vaccine exemption bill advances

People should look at this very hard as this is what socializing the healthcare system will bring. You won't be diagnosed by doctors. Neither you nor doctors will make your healthcare decisions. Government bureaucratic hacks will make your healthcare decisions based upon whatever political and social agenda they want to push.

Add to that how many times Democrats and liberals have openly said they hope old people die off because they tend to be conservative and you can understand that socialized medicine will be a death sentence to millions.

It is a joke. I don't want to risk my kid getting Autism. IMO it is completely a violation of one's freedom to be forcing people to get vaccinated, especially if vaccinations are dangerous!

 

[TrueScotsman]

It is a joke. I don't want to risk my kid getting Autism. IMO it is completely a violation of one's freedom to be forcing people to get vaccinated, especially if vaccinations are dangerous!

I'm very disheartened to hear that someone who fears the erroneous claim that vaccinations cause autism will be reproducing.

It is people like YOU who are dangerous, to your children and the community at large. Get some sense.

Go figure that alternative fact Conservatism is now overrun with anti-vaxxers. You reap what you sow, as they say.

 

[TrueScotsman]

California lawmakers are advancing tougher rules for vaccinations despite hearing hours of testimony from hundreds of opponents.

]The Senate Health Committee late Wednesday approved the proposal to give state public health officials instead of local doctors the power to decide which children can skip their shots before attending school.

The Latest: California vaccine exemption bill advances

People should look at this very hard as this is what socializing the healthcare system will bring. You won't be diagnosed by doctors. Neither you nor doctors will make your healthcare decisions. Government bureaucratic hacks will make your healthcare decisions based upon whatever political and social agenda they want to push.

Add to that how many times Democrats and liberals have openly said they hope old people die off because they tend to be conservative and you can understand that socialized medicine will be a death sentence to millions.

Yeah because thats happened in every other context it was implemented. Still waiting for those Obama care Dead Panels.

Let us know when you would like to join us in reality.

 

[joko104]

Did you even read the article that you posted, Joko?



The goal is to keep anti-vaxxer parents from letting their children be a health risk to society. You would support that, wouldn't you?

The stated "goal" is just a propaganda statement. No, I do not support bureaucrats making medical decisions.

Many people worship vaccinations like they are members of a religious cult. Vaccinations can kill. Not every disease vaccinated for is a lethal disease. New vaccinations are released every year for which there isn't even a possibility to study long term effects.

So you want bureaucrats to make your medical decisions and I want doctors to.

I've asked this many times - and no Vaccination-worshipper has ever answered. It is your turn. Name the vaccinations you have had. Can you? Since you believe you die without them obviously they are that critical. So what vaccinations have you had that have saved your life?

 

[Bucky]

I'm very disheartened to hear that someone who fears the erroneous claim that vaccinations cause autism will be reproducing.

It is people like YOU who are dangerous, to your children and the community at large. Get some sense.

Go figure that alternative fact Conservatism is now overrun with anti-vaxxers. You reap what you sow, as they say.

In a series of reports published between 1991 and 2013, the Institute of Medicine affirmed that scientific evidence demonstrates that vaccines can cause injury and death and that some people are genetically, biologically and environmentally at higher risk for being harmed by vaccines

Vaccinations? Know the risks and failures - Diseases and Vaccines - NVIC

I am not one to trust big brother very easily. Just because the government says I should do something doesn't mean I will!!!

Thousands Of Swedes Are Inserting Microchips Under Their Skin : NPR

If the government demanded that they have microchip inserted in your body, would you comply?

 

[joko104]

Yeah because thats happened in every other context it was implemented. Still waiting for those Obama care Dead Panels.

Let us know when you would like to join us in reality.

Nearly all hospitals have "death committees" and have for a long time. The most common practice is to vote on whether a costly treatment has at least a 50% chance of significantly extending a person's life. If they decide no then the treatment is usually denied if a charity case or one requiring insurance or government approval. If the panel votes there is only a 40% chance then Medicare or insurance won't pay and they won't do the procedure.

 

[OlNate]

It is a joke. I don't want to risk my kid getting Autism. IMO it is completely a violation of one's freedom to be forcing people to get vaccinated, especially if vaccinations are dangerous!

Are you actually being serious now? The guy who started the Autism nonsense admitted it was a fraud. Speaking of jokes... :roll:

IMO, my kid shouldn't be put at risk because of the dumbassery and sheer deliberate stupidity of anti-vaxxers.

 

[Bucky]

Are you actually being serious now? The guy who started the Autism nonsense admitted it was a fraud. Speaking of jokes... :roll:

IMO, my kid shouldn't be put at risk because of the dumbassery and sheer deliberate stupidity of anti-vaxxers.

Quote from my previous post:

In a series of reports published between 1991 and 2013, the Institute of Medicine affirmed that scientific evidence demonstrates that vaccines can cause injury and death and that some people are genetically, biologically and environmentally at higher risk for being harmed by vaccines

Choosing to get your children vaccinated should be a personal choice made by the parents. Unless the government wants to eliminate parental choice, they can stay out of the personal lives of families.

 

[Phys251]

The stated "goal" is just a propaganda statement. No, I do not support bureaucrats making medical decisions.

Many people worship vaccinations like they are members of a religious cult. Vaccinations can kill. Not every disease vaccinated for is a lethal disease. New vaccinations are released every year for which there isn't even a possibility to study long term effects.

So you want bureaucrats to make your medical decisions and I want doctors to.

Let's cut the spin and focus on the real question here: Do you support or oppose the anti-vaxxer movement?

I've asked this many times - and no Vaccination-worshipper has ever answered. It is your turn. Name the vaccinations you have had. Can you? Since you believe you die without them obviously they are that critical. So what vaccinations have you had that have saved your life?

You see, everyone? That is a great example of Joko's intellectual dishonesty. He comes in with pathetic slurs, reducing medical science to a personal political agenda. And then he shows a fantastically poor understanding of that science, implying that a vaccine necessarily saves one's life. How can any of us who got a measles shot know for a fact whether that vaccine saved our lives? It's practically impossible. But that's not the point. The point of vaccines is risk management. You know it, I know it, but Joko won't admit it.

 

[TrueScotsman]

Vaccinations? Know the risks and failures - Diseases and Vaccines - NVIC

I am not one to trust big brother very easily. Just because the government says I should do something doesn't mean I will!!!

Thousands Of Swedes Are Inserting Microchips Under Their Skin : NPR

If the government demanded that they have microchip inserted in your body, would you comply?

An anti-vaxxer propaganda site, and hysteria over consumers putting a chip in their hand to access doors easier without any government involvement.

Yeah that's about what I expected. This is all preparation for the MARK OF THE BEAST! FEAR FOR YOUR LIVES!

 

[OlNate]

Vaccinations? Know the risks and failures - Diseases and Vaccines - NVIC

I am not one to trust big brother very easily. Just because the government says I should do something doesn't mean I will!!!

Thousands Of Swedes Are Inserting Microchips Under Their Skin : NPR

If the government demanded that they have microchip inserted in your body, would you comply?

NVIC? That's like getting news about Russia from Sputnik. Good grief.

 

[Phys251]

I'm very disheartened to hear that someone who fears the erroneous claim that vaccinations cause autism will be reproducing.

It is people like YOU who are dangerous, to your children and the community at large. Get some sense.

Go figure that alternative fact Conservatism is now overrun with anti-vaxxers. You reap what you sow, as they say.

It does not surprise me that the anti-vaxxer movement is finding a home in the anti-science Republican party. I expect them, and I am not kidding about this, to welcome flat-earthers as well within 5-10 years.

 

[Bucky]

Learn the truth people:

Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative used in vaccines and other medicines. Developed by the pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly in 1928, over the years Thimerosal has been used in a variety of medical products, including topical antiseptics, nasal sprays, eye drops, immune globulin products, and vaccines.

Thimerosal is about 50 percent ethyl mercury by weight. Thimerosal exposure has been linked to attention disorders, speech delays, language delays, Tourette Syndrome, misery disorder, seizures, epilepsy, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, narcolepsy, heart disorders, neurological disorders, asthma and allergies. Over 165 peer-reviewed scientific studies show a link between Thimerosal and neurological injuries. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of misinformation about Thimerosal out there. It’s time to debunk the myths.

Mercury is Not Safe in Any Form: Debunking the Myths About Thimerosal “Safety” • Children's Health Defense

 

[Bucky]

It does not surprise me that the anti-vaxxer movement is finding a home in the anti-science Republican party. I expect them, and I am not kidding about this, to welcome flat-earthers as well within 5-10 years.

So just to be clear are you denying that Thimerosal is used in vaccines? Yes or No.

 

[OlNate]

Quote from my previous post:

In a series of reports published between 1991 and 2013, the Institute of Medicine affirmed that scientific evidence demonstrates that vaccines can cause injury and death and that some people are genetically, biologically and environmentally at higher risk for being harmed by vaccines

Choosing to get your children vaccinated should be a personal choice made by the parents. Unless the government wants to eliminate parental choice, they can stay out of the personal lives of families.

Sure...I'll make you a deal, though. If a kid dies because of their parents' stupidity about vaccines, they should be charged with murder. Or, if another kid dies because their unvaccinated kid is carrying the disease, they should be charged with murder.

And absolutely no access to public schools without vaccination.

You wanna play Russian roulette because of some dumb assed conspiracy theories, do it without putting the rest of us at risk.

 

[Phys251]

So just to be clear are you denying that Thimerosal is used in vaccines? Yes or No.

Your real question is whether that thimerosal causes autism. There is not a shred of credible evidence out there to suggest it does. Only crackpot conspiracy theorists peddle that belief. You shouldn't listen to them.

 

[OlNate]

Learn the truth people:



Mercury is Not Safe in Any Form: Debunking the Myths About Thimerosal “Safety” • Children's Health Defense

Absolute garbage.

Thimerosal in Vaccines Thimerosal | Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Next...……………………. :roll:

 

[TrueScotsman]

Nearly all hospitals have "death committees" and have for a long time. The most common practice is to vote on whether a costly treatment has at least a 50% chance of significantly extending a person's life. If they decide no then the treatment is usually denied if a charity case or one requiring insurance or government approval. If the panel votes there is only a 40% chance then Medicare or insurance won't pay and they won't do the procedure.

Sheer ignorance. These are called mortality committees, which are multi-disciplinary teams setup with the express purpose of DECREASING the death rate largely through preventative care. This is not the purported death panel that was said would choose who would live or die, nor is your utter lies accurate about its purpose and role in the hospital.

This is problem with Democracy, which may destroy it. The ignorance and stupidity of the population.

 

[joko104]

Vaccinations? Know the risks and failures - Diseases and Vaccines - NVIC

I am not one to trust big brother very easily. Just because the government says I should do something doesn't mean I will!!!

Thousands Of Swedes Are Inserting Microchips Under Their Skin : NPR

If the government demanded that they have microchip inserted in your body, would you comply?

A government told groups of Jews they were stepping into a mass shower, not a lethal gas chamber.

Only idiots would allow themselves to injected with something having no clue what it is or why.

Vaccinations are massively profitable industry. Talk governments into REQUIRING your company's new vaccination and your company just made tens of billions of dollars over the long haul - while at the same time your company is 100% protected from any liabilities. The safety study (even if there is one) is done by your company. Would a company lie if they make $50 billion dollars off it over the next decades?

While at the same time the leftwing rants of how evil corporations are - particularly drug companies - they demand total submissiveness to those same companies so intense they want it illegal for you to not buy their drugs and have your whole family injected with them.

Using schools/government to market their drug products has ruined may a person's future goals - not even knowing it was happening. For example, schools have pushed behavior psych-drugs on kids for many years now. If a kid is restless in class just have the kid drugged. No big deal right? So what if the kid is one of those who commits suicide? So what if having planned a military career the kid learns later he is banned from the military for those drugs pushed on him by the school?

Because of the many hundreds of billions involved, kids are now given gobs of vaccinations all at the same time - to maximize profit efficiency - for which there has been NO study - EVER - of how vaccinations can interact adversely with each other. But why should any drug company care? No matter what, they can't be sued.

It seems like that just like massive usage of antibiotics has given rise to super bugs now killing hundreds of thousands to millions - and threatening a worldwide pandemic that might kill hundreds of millions - the massive usage of vaccinations for even ordinary diseases will lead to a vaccination crisis where they also stop working.

Contrary to what the drug industry and schools claim, not every problem is solved by taking and using more drugs. Americans are the most drugged up people on earth - nearly everyone convinced they can't survive without them - and many such drugs create their own dependency to make that self fulfilling. For many drugs, once you go on the drug you can never go off it.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Oh good, replacing one problem with another.

 

[Phys251]

A government told groups of Jews they were stepping into a mass shower, not a lethal gas chamber.

Only idiots would allow themselves to injected with something having no clue what it is or why.

Stop what you're doing and make a list of the last meal you had. List ALL ingredients of everything you ate and drank. List the molecular formula and percent by weight of each ingredient.

What's that? You can't or won't do that? Why won't you follow your own advice?

 

[Bucky]

Your real question is whether that thimerosal causes autism. There is not a shred of credible evidence out there to suggest it does. Only crackpot conspiracy theorists peddle that belief. You shouldn't listen to them.

If big brother said cigarettes do not cancer, would you start smoking a pack a day? If smoking does cause cancer, then why do they allow people to smoke legally.....shouldn't they be concerned about air quality and second-hand smoke?

My point is forcing people to get vaccinated is a gross violation of human rights.

 

[WillyPete]

It is a joke. I don't want to risk my kid getting Autism. IMO it is completely a violation of one's freedom to be forcing people to get vaccinated, especially if vaccinations are dangerous!

No one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated.

They are denying entry to public schools to the unvaccinated (who don't have a valid reason.) There are other options for those that believe strongly about this.

I am not one to trust big brother very easily. Just because the government says I should do something doesn't mean I will!!!

You've got the opposite problem, where you will latch onto any anti-government screed presented to you, even after it has been completely exposed as fraud (by the originator in this case.)

Or maybe you just have a thing for Jenny McCarthy. A lot of folks do, and it's done immeasurable damage to our national health.