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The Latest: California vaccine exemption bill advances

OlNate said:
FFS, I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but sometimes....damn!
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He always creates these baiting and trolling threads. Better to just shake your head and laugh, and be thankful you live in the real world.
 
[h=1]Many Veterans Are Denied Benefits for Vaccine Injuries[/h]Between December 2002 and May 2014, more than 2.4 million service members received the smallpox vaccine.7 This, despite the fact that smallpox (variola) was eradicated in the early 1970s, and routine smallpox vaccination of the American public ceased in 1972.8 The U.S. government began inoculating service members against smallpox in the wake of the September 11, 2001, attacks, ostensibly to protect them against potential biowarfare using the variola virus.
In the last decade (2007 through April 2017), 898 veterans were granted VA benefits for pericarditis; 2,896 were denied. Another 5,703 veterans were granted benefits for myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle itself, while 12,067 were denied benefits for the same.9 Since no one appears to be monitoring, tracking and reporting vaccine side effects in military personnel, there’s no telling how many of these cases of myocarditis and pericarditis might have been related to the smallpox vaccine.While the DOD does not track vaccine injuries, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) has stated that up to 2 percent of vaccinated individuals may experience side effects that “could result in disability or death,” adding that:
“Some service members who received [anthrax and smallpox] vaccines experienced severe reactions such as migraines, heart problems and the onset of diseases including diabetes and multiple sclerosis … Some of these events may occur coincidentally following immunization, while others may truly be caused by immunization.”10
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Many Veterans Are Denied Benefits for Vaccine Injuries

The government said Agent Orange couldn't hurt anyone too, didn't it? We are all just laboratory rats and cattle to the government - and nothing is more intolerable than allowing us cattle to have any individual rights or decision making power whatsoever.
 
Anti-vaxxers idiots believe they're asserting their right to individual liberty by rejecting the collective wisdom of experts and choosing not to have their kids vaccinated against dangerous organisms. But they confuse self-interest with liberty. And they're spreading harm to innocents in the process. These idiots continuously spew venom and lies on social media, negating much of the progress science has in developing herd immunity and respect for the scientific method. They're wrong on the science, wrong on the politics, and deeply morally wrong to deny children one of the great gifts of modern medicine. But worse than that, logic, reason, and facts fail to sway them. This is delusion, plain and simple. They are a major threat to national security.
 
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HenryChinaski said:
You're an ignorant and misguided individual not worth corresponding with. Your POV is a threat to a healthy society. And if you're a parent, I feel sorry for your children.
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That is because you have no response so rant like a religious zealot cult member. Glad to know you totally support the President however it you total trust of everyone in the government.

I'm a fantastic parent. A rotten parent is someone who will allow their children to be drugged without any knowledge of who, what or why.

You can't name the vaccinations you've had, can you? I would think you could name your gods by which you would otherwise have died.
 
joko104 said:
That is because you have no response so rant like a religious zealot cult member. Glad to know you totally support the President however it you total trust of everyone in the government.

I'm a fantastic parent. A rotten parent is someone who will allow their children to be drugged without any knowledge of who, what or why.

You can't name the vaccinations you've had, can you? I would think you could name your gods by which you would otherwise have died.
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See my previous post, you're not worth a specific response.
 
HenryChinaski said:
You're an ignorant and misguided individual not worth corresponding with. Your POV is a threat to a healthy society. And if you're a parent, I feel sorry for your children.
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That's uncalled for to call parents here unfit.

So do you deserve dad/mom award for injecting a harmful drug into your kids?

These are the same parents that thinks it oay for their children to eat sugary cereal, drink 3 cans a day of coke/pepsi, and let their kids use social media unsupervised.
 
Phys251 said:
Did you even read the article that you posted, Joko?

Lawmakers decided stronger oversight is needed to stem bogus exemptions granted in many cases by doctors who are paid to excuse students from vaccinations.

Supporters say unvaccinated students are helping to spread measles outbreaks in California and elsewhere. The bill was backed by dozens of medical professionals and students.
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The goal is to keep anti-vaxxer parents from letting their children be a health risk to society. You would support that, wouldn't you?
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Thank you for undercutting the OP's contention with post #2.

The idea that public officials making health decisions about vaccinations is tyranny, socialism and loss of freedom and liberty is loony tunes thinking, but endemic of the way the ultra-right wing thinks these days. Protecting the public is somehow a bad thing according to these people.

What is laughable is that vaccines have been mandatory for schoolchildren since the 1950s. How did we avoid becoming a socialist gulag?
 
Bucky said:
That's uncalled for to call parents here unfit.

So do you deserve dad/mom award for injecting a harmful drug into your kids?

These are the same parents that thinks it oay for their children to eat sugary cereal, drink 3 cans a day of coke/pepsi, and let their kids use social media unsupervised.
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In 2014, a large measles outbreak swept through the Disneyland theme park in California, infecting over 50 people, Several of those kids who initially spread the disease were intentionally left unvaccinated by their parents. I suggest you read the news about the outbreak that just happened in NY due to ass hat anti-vaxxers. Disagreement with proven facts is a choice that anyone can choose to make. Disseminating falsehoods, misinformation and distortions of the facts about vaccines is not a choice that ought to go without legal consequence when the safety of my family is at risk.
 
NO study has every been done on the effect of giving a child multiple vaccinations at the same time - nor will one ever be done because they dare not learn there is any harm - even if there is massive harm. That also is part of the claim of autism from vaccinations.

By age 2, the government now demands 26 vaccinations. There are many more the government wants later to, but demand those 26 by age 2. Parents aren't going to take their child to the doctor 26 times. So it is just ASSUMED there is NO danger whatsoever - solely for practicality and maximizing profits reasons.

NO ONE can claim how vaccinations are given to infants is safe because this has never been studied in any legitimate protocol study. Rather it is just declared "We're the government, trust us. We know it's safe just because drug companies who never tested it says it must be."

No one can claim the actual practice of how vaccinations are given - gobs all at the same time - is safe. That is the study NO drug company and NO ONE in the government ever wants done or will allow because they don't really want to know.

No one gives more money to politicians than drug companies. Politicians do whatever they want - and then say "trust us" with nothing to back that up.
 
MTAtech said:
Thank you for undercutting the OP's contention with post #2.

The idea that public officials making health decisions about vaccinations is tyranny, socialism and loss of freedom and liberty is loony tunes thinking, but endemic of the way the ultra-right wing thinks these days. Protecting the public is somehow a bad thing according to these people.

What is laughable is that vaccines have been mandatory for schoolchildren since the 1950s. How did we avoid becoming a socialist gulag?
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I strongly suspect that quite a few of these online Anti-vaxxers that are responsible with pushing these falsehoods are merely trolling and their children are indeed vaccinated.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I strongly suspect that quite a few of these online Anti-vaxxers that are responsible with pushing these falsehoods are merely trolling and their children are indeed vaccinated.
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Vaccine worshipers are simpletons who can only think it the most simplistic black-white terms. To them, there are no individual vaccinations - just the collective "vaccines" believing they are all exactly identical. They question nothing. GOVERNMENT and DRUGS are gods to them to never be questioned. They are the most weak-willed people alive, seeing themselves as mere herd cattle and ranting at at anyone who doesn't.

Thus YOU can not grasp the concept that there are vaccinations (plural) for which a person may decide which ones to have and not have. That there are dangers is 100% understood - the reason some vaccinations are only allowed to the elderly and not given to children, and some vaccinations are allowed for everyone but the elderly. If they were all identically safe, there would be no restrictions.

Nor has how vaccinations are given - many at the same time - ever been studied - ever. Yet YOU question NOTHING drug companies want you to buy and put into your and your kid's bodies. Is it safe for how they are given? Exactly NO ONE knows.

If terrorists wanted to kill a lot of people, all they would have to do is go to a Democrat city, put on a suit, set up a table with a sign that reads "Government immunization program" and they could inject ANYTHING into nearly every leftwinger walking by, including HIV, AIDS, TB or any other disease because anything claimed to be a vaccination must be a necessity of life. Most wouldn't even ask "what is it for?" Rather, they would just allow themselves and everyone in their family to be injected - no questions asked.

To this day on this forum - now 10 years - not ONE person ranting that everyone must be given dozens and dozens of vaccines - all at the same time is ok too - because otherwise they'll be mass death - yet not ONE can name these injections they rant saved their lives. They are posting out of total ignorance even about themselves. It isn't about vaccinations to them, it is about mindlessly worshiping drugs and government. Like the most radically submissive religious cult member, they just rant on behalf of their secular gods.

PS: Your message is just an ignorant rant. Most people who refuse a vaccination do so for specific vaccinations. About half the population refuses flu vaccinations - with at least one leftwinger wanting 160,000,000 Americans imprisoned for it.
The greatest anti-vaccination claim made is against giving infant 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10 vaccinations all at the same time - assuming this will affect white blood cells exactly the same as for just one vaccination. NO study backs up infecting an infants white blood cells with 6 different diseases at the same time is safe. The ONLY reason this is done has NOTHING to do with health. It has to do with profits and practicality.
Because you apparently only think of issues is absolute simpleton terms, it is just "all vaccinations are wonderful and they all should be forced upon everyone no matter how administered and irregardless of people's health and age."

So you have had every vaccination yourself, right? Is that your claim?
 
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Which one of you has had all these vaccinations? Anyone of you that has not is an "anti-vaccine" radical!

[h=1]List of Vaccines Used in United States[/h]Links to Clinical info about the vaccine



  • Adenovirus
  • Anthrax
    • AVA (BioThrax)
  • Cholera
    • Vaxchora
  • Diphtheria
    • DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
    • Td (Tenivac, generic)
    • DT (-generic-)
    • Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
    • DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
    • DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
    • DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
  • Hepatitis A
    • HepA (Havrix, Vaqta)
    • HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
  • Hepatitis B
    • HepB (Engerix-B, Recombivax HB, Heplisav-B)
    • DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
    • HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
  • Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
    • Hib (ActHIB, PedvaxHIB, Hiberix)
    • DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
  • Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
    • HPV9 (Gardasil 9) (For scientific papers, the preferred abbreviation is 9vHPV)
  • Seasonal Influenza (Flu) only
    • IIV* (Afluria, Fluad, Flublok, Flucelvax, FluLaval, Fluarix, Fluvirin, Fluzone, Fluzone High-Dose, Fluzone Intradermal)
      [COLOR=#333333 !important]*There are various acronyms for inactivated flu vaccines – IIV3, IIV4, RIV3, RIV4 and ccIIV4.[/COLOR]
    • LAIV (FluMist)
  • Japanese Encephalitis
    • JE (Ixiaro)
  • Measles
    • MMR (M-M-R II)
    • MMRV (ProQuad)
  • Meningococcal
    • MenACWY (Menactra, Menveo)
    • MenB (Bexsero, Trumenba)
  • Mumps
    • MMR (M-M-R II)
    • MMRV (ProQuad)


  • Pertussis
    • DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
    • Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
    • DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
    • DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
    • DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
  • Pneumococcal
    • PCV13 (Prevnar13)
    • PPSV23 (Pneumovax 23)
  • Polio
    • Polio (Ipol)
    • DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
    • DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
    • DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
  • Rabies
    • Rabies (Imovax Rabies, RabAvert)
  • Rotavirus
    • RV1 (Rotarix)
    • RV5 (RotaTeq)
  • Rubella
    • MMR (M-M-R II)
    • MMRV (ProQuad)
  • Shingles
    • ZVL (Zostavax)
    • RZV (Shingrix)
  • Smallpox
    • Vaccinia (ACAM2000):
  • Tetanus
    • DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
    • Td (Tenivac, generic)
    • DT (-generic-)
    • Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
    • DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
    • DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
    • DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
  • Tuberculosis
  • Typhoid Fever
    • Typhoid Oral (Vivotif)
    • Typhoid Polysaccharide (Typhim Vi)
  • Varicella
    • VAR (Varivax)
    • MMRV (ProQuad):
  • Yellow Fever[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
  • YF (YF-Vax)

PLUS all the repeats including annually. If you have not been vaccinated again within the last 12 months you are an anti-vaccine wacko who should be imprisoned to protect everyone from you - and if you have children they should be taken away. That is the radical claims being made on this thread.
 
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joko104 said:
Or you could have just posted you don't know what vaccinations you have had - rather than a pointless rant to try to divert from answering. :roll
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Beautiful projection, Joko. So beautiful it could be hung in the Louvre. :bravo:

Now let's try this again: Do you support or oppose the anti-vaxxer movement? Simple question. :)
 
OlNate said:
It's already been explained to you. Herd immunity. Google it.
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If you like just being cattle, that certainly is your right. A simple no-decisions-myself life is easier for some people.
 
Phys251 said:
Beautiful projection, Joko. So beautiful it could be hung in the Louvre. :bravo:

Now let's try this again: Do you support or oppose the anti-vaxxer movement? Simple question. :)
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No, it is not a simple question except to simpletons.

1.) I oppose giving children, particularly infants, multiple vaccinations at the same time. In my opinion, until it is proven safe, only 1 vaccination per week.

2.) I oppose forced vaccinations for diseases that are not of notable lethality.

3.) I would support requiring vaccinations for high lethality diseases.

Personally, for our children, we did the best we could to limit multiple vaccinations at the same time, but certainly am not "anti vaccine."

We did not get flu shots. As adults, she got the shingles vaccination and I didn't. Almost immediately after she has had internal health issues - serious - the specialists can't even explain. She wonders if the shingles vaccination triggered this, but of course there is no way to know.

The flu shot is an example of what I believe is and should be discretionary.

THE CORE OF THE ANTI-VAX MOVEMENT is the issue of giving multiple vaccinations at the same moment, NOT total opposition to all vaccinations.
 
joko104 said:
No, it is not a simple question
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As expected, you dodged the question. I will continue to ask it until I get a straight answer from you: Yes or no, Joko, yes or no, do you support the anti-vaxxer movement? Yes or no.
 
joko104 said:
No, it is not a simple question except to simpletons.

1.) I oppose giving children, particularly infants, multiple vaccinations at the same time. In my opinion, until it is proven safe, only 1 vaccination per week.

2.) I oppose forced vaccinations for diseases that are not of notable lethality.

3.) I would support requiring vaccinations for high lethality diseases.

Personally, for our children, we did the best we could to limit multiple vaccinations at the same time, but certainly am not "anti vaccine."

We did not get flu shots. As adults, she got the shingles vaccination and I didn't. Almost immediately after she has had internal health issues - serious - the specialists can't even explain. She wonders if the shingles vaccination triggered this, but of course there is no way to know.

The flu shot is an example of what I believe is and should be discretionary.

THE CORE OF THE ANTI-VAX MOVEMENT is the issue of giving multiple vaccinations at the same moment, NOT total opposition to all vaccinations.
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Paranoid Babbling non sense
 
Saladin4 said:
Paranoid Babbling non sense
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Thinks is WAY too hard for some people. You obviously have nothing to say and just rant your secular zealotry and theology.
 
Phys251 said:
As expected, you dodged the question. I will continue to ask it until I get a straight answer from you: Yes or no, Joko, yes or no, do you support the anti-vaxxer movement? Yes or no.
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Just because you only post in the most simple of terms it isn't my problem.

Do you drink all liquids of any kind or not? Pick one:
1. No, you never drink any liquid of any kind, no exceptions.
2. Yes, you will drink any liquid no matter what is it.

Yes or No. This is YOUR level of thinking, not mine. But we already know you and the other ranters don't answer any questions, do you?

Have YOU had EVERY vaccination on the list above, or are you an anti-vaxxer?
 
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Phys251 said:
Beautiful projection, Joko. So beautiful it could be hung in the Louvre. :bravo:

Now let's try this again: Do you support or oppose the anti-vaxxer movement? Simple question. :)
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I do, I support a diversity of ideas. If you don't like it you have the right to move away.
 
joko104 said:
Just because you only post in the most simple of terms it isn't my problem.
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STILL dodging the question! Why can't you just give a straight answer to whether you support the anti-science, anti-vaxxer movement? Why can't you just be honest about your ignorance?

Bucky said:
I do, I support a diversity of ideas. If you don't like it you have the right to move away.
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See, Joko? See how hard that was? Even Bucky showed a level of honesty that you did not!
 
joko104 said:
If you like just being cattle, that certainly is your right. A simple no-decisions-myself life is easier for some people.
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Yeah, joko, trusting science about vaccinations, instead of getting my answers out of Cracker Jack boxes like the anti-vaxxers, is a life without decisions. :roll:

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Contrary to the claims of the mega-rich drug company worshipers on this thread, it is not disputed in the drug industry, by the CDC nor any other legitimate organization that vaccinations have caused deaths and serious permanent injuries. Rather, the claim is your odds are better with vaccinations than without - ie the herd mentality.

The claims is always the same. All vaccinations are safe. How many times has it been learned a vaccinations is not safe? Dozens of times. To this, that vaccination or method of making the vaccination is eliminated - and the government claims "NOW THEY ARE ALL SAFE."

Then another "oops, sorry, but NOW THEY REALLY ARE ALL SAFE!"

Then another "oops, sorry, but NOW they REALLY REALLY ARE ALL SAFE!"

Followed by another "oops, sorry, but now they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY are all safe!"

Over and over.

Understand the life of your child isn't worth a $50 test to the school districts - a test to learn if a child does have a compromised immune system - for which the mass of vaccinations would destroy the child's health or be lethal.

That is how government thinks. 50,000,000 school children times $50 is $2.5 billion! Better to save the $2.5 billion because statistically the vaccinations will kill or harm very few children - so it is a financial bargain! This is how government and schools think. It would cost schools less than 10 cents per child per day to put an armed licensed law enforcement person in every public school in the USA. BUT to government 10 cents is TOO much.

YOU and your children are NOTHING but cattle in a 329,000,000 cattle herd. Not worth a dime. Not worth a dollar. All calculations are made from that perspective. That is the perspective of the Democrat senators in the California legislature.
 
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