The Horrible Truth about Barack Obama's Presidency

[Casca XV]

The economy crashed under Bush and conservative policies. It recovered under Obama. We had the longest period of job growth in history under Obama.

Everything your saying is just partisan nonsense and denial of reality.

The economy crashed in 2008 because of a lack of regulation on lenders.
The economy crashed in 2008 because of a lack of regulation on derivatives.
The recovery was slow because the crash was the worst since the Great Recession.
The recession didn't last 8 years.
Romney promised 6% unemployment and Obama did better than that so how can you complain it was too slow?

The economy turned around under Obama. Instead off accepting that you insit it should have turned around faster. We're supposed to believe that the same people who were in control when the economy crashed could have done a better job with the recovery?

Now one year after Obama you're praising how great the economy is. One month after taking office Trump was praising the economy.

I feel sorry for you that you can't look at issues honestly and clearly. You're so blinded by partisanship that all your thinking is reduced to nonsense like this thread.

Finally, I have a bit of truth for you from your deal cult leader ....

Everyone says stupid s**t from time to time. He was talking about the 90s under Clinton. Today The President would be the first to say that economy happened due to the coattails of Reaganonomics and Clinton signed every bill Newt gave him, not from any actual Clinton policy.

There is nothing good about the Obama presidency. He is the first US President who actually wanted America in decline.

We still recovered because he was a weak leader and the GOP kept him neutered for the most part.

Several times I have asked "Name the Obama policy that improved the economy?" No one ever answers because none exist.

 

[ultmd]

There is nothing good about the Obama presidency. He is the first US President who actually wanted America in decline.

Another fact-free, emotional right wing belief, being presented (by a right winger, of course) as an objective argument. Trump acolytes are entitled to express their own opinions, must like rational, intellectually honest, real Americans.

Several times I have asked "Name the Obama policy that improved the economy?" No one ever answers because none exist.

LOL, I doubt that....unless you were on one of your alt-right/nationalist message board, perhaps.

 

[veritas1]

No, not to any rational, sober adult.

Wrong, as usual.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...rsh-interrogations-help-catch-osama-bin-laden

Osama bin Laden hunt: Was torture key? (Opinion) - CNN.com

Obama was horrible no matter how much you pretend otherwise. Between his feckless leadership, genuflecting before Iran, lying about Obamacare repeatedly, misusing his authority regarding the Dreamers and abusing agencies under his control, he was not just a failure but materially detrimental to the country.

Even if the Bin Laden courier had been given up earlier, do you think that no actionable intelligence was obtained at all? Our intelligence agencies have claimed otherwise. If that is false, why are they saying it? Do they simply enjoy waterboarding people?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Obama was a disaster on every level, an economic failure at home, a hopeless weakling abroad and a massive abuser of Federal power from the DOJ to the FBI to the IRS. Truly one of the worst presidents in our history. Down in the bottom 10, maybe the bottom 5.

Oh, and for those coming back with "He got Bin Laden", the info that led to Bin Laden's courier was obtained through enhanced interrogation, which the left claims to abhor.

You say he was an economic failure but he left with 4.7% unemployment and the longest streak of job growth in history.

You say he was weakling abroad but he didn't start any new wars and greatly reduced the money we're wasting abroad.

Your claims about abuse of Federal power are just partisan complaints. The IRS scandal had absolutely nothing to do with him. I can bring up Reagan's Iran-Contra or Bush Jr's WMDs. Obama had no such major scandal.

When you make claims like this you sound like a partisan puppet. Obama was certainly more successful than Bush Jr, Bush Sr (failed reelection), Jimmy Carter (failed relection).

Of Reagan, Clinton and Obama it's clear that Obama inherited the worst situation and left the country in good condition.

I find it sad when people can no longer think critically and honestly because they're so deeply partisan. The idea that Obama can turn around a horrible economic situation and be considered one of the worst presidents is laughable.

 

[veritas1]

This is very true.

8 years without a single legitimate moral/ethical/corruption scandal. First presidential administration to achieve that feat in well-over a century.

And when one considers that (out of shear desperation and hatred of all the he represented) for 8 years the people who once created one failed, fake "Obama scandal" after the next (i.e. Fast and Furious, IRS, AP News, Benghazi, Czar Gate, Death Panels, Birtherism, Jade Helm, the Clinton email server, Solyndra, etc. etc.).......are today the VERY SAME people turning a blind-eye to (if not openly supporting) the endless series of REAL and MAJOR moral, ethical and national security scandals that have marked the first 18 months of Trump's presidency..........it's impossible to NOT see how much race and extreme ideology motivate the views and behavior of most Trump acolytes.

Too damn funny. All of Obama's dirty linen was fake news but Russian collusion is real. You can't make this crap up. Talking about race and extreme ideology, you called a black conservative poster in here deluded. He asked you to elaborate and you ran away.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Obama was horrible no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

I completely understand your pathological need to pretend that, but reality simply doesn't back that up.

Between his feckless leadership, genuflecting before Iran, lying about Obamacare repeatedly, misusing his authority regarding the Dreamers and abusing agencies under his control, he was not just a failure but materially detrimental to the country.

Only in your fever-dreams, I fear.

Even if the Bin Laden courier had been given up earlier, do you think that no actionable intelligence was obtained at all? Our intelligence agencies have claimed otherwise. If that is false, why are they saying it? Do they simply enjoy waterboarding people?

Sorry, the claim that it happened to to torture is simply specious, as has been demonstrated.

 

[itsforthekids]

By every measure, barry was the worst in my life time. He thought that getting elected was the end result. Clean and articulate yes, but not a leader, not a great man of action.

 

[ultmd]

By every measure, barry was the worst in my life time. He thought that getting elected was the end result. Clean and articulate yes, but not a leader, not a great man of action.

LOL.....well then PLEASE.......please tell us about some of your "measures".

And remember to back up your "facts".............with real, objective, verifiable FACTS, if you can.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

By every measure, barry was the worst in my life time. He thought that getting elected was the end result. Clean and articulate yes, but not a leader, not a great man of action.

Really, worse than Bush who left the economy in free fall, two unfinished wars and enormous budget deficit?

Score card:

Bill Clinton: left a good economy. no wars. budget surplus.

Bush: trashed the economy. two wars. huge deficit

Obama: left good economy. no wars. reduced deficits.

Trump: time will tell but deficit has already exploded.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

LOL.....well then PLEASE.......please tell us about some of your "measures".

And remember to back up your "facts".............with real, objective, verifiable FACTS, if you can.

They can't use measures like the unemployment rate which greatly reduced under Obama.

They can't use the DOW which greatly increased under Obama.

They can't use the deficit which greatly reduced under Obama.

They just have their feelings. They were unhappy under Obama.

 

[biff_poindexter]

Too damn funny. All of Obama's dirty linen was fake news but Russian collusion is real. You can't make this crap up. Talking about race and extreme ideology, you called a black conservative poster in here deluded. He asked you to elaborate and you ran away.

Truth of the matter is -- if Obama is as horrible as your partisan heart so wants to believe -- history will deem it so, people will pretend they never supported him, the party in general will try their hardest to distance from anything associated with Obama --

Now, I am trying to remember if there is an example of a former president ever being treated that way...hmmmmmmmm, oh yea Buuuuussssshhhhhhh!!!

 

[ultmd]

Too damn funny. All of Obama's dirty linen was fake news but Russian collusion is real.

Yes, it's pretty funny. You people usually are funny. Of course, in this case, you and I both know that if there were any FACTS to back up your warped, inverted worldviews, you would have posted them just now. Instead, you posted more empty, fake news nonsense. But hey, any time you're ready to discuss FACTS (and back them up)....I'll be ready for you.

You can't make this crap up.

"YOU" certainly can, and do, all the time. That's what you do here. You post opinions (yours and those of other right wingers like you) as "facts", and then duck and dodge any/all requests for objective facts and/or documentation. And then you pout and whine when reasonable people dismiss your arguments for the baseless ideological gibberish that they are.

you called a black conservative poster in here deluded.

Sounds like you might be exercising your "right" as a Trumpian to lie selectively and without repercussions. I have no idea what you might possibly be thinking about, but I am 100% sure that delusions (i.e. fixed, false beliefs) are not a race-specific phenomenon.

He asked you to elaborate and you ran away

LOL, now I know you're lying. Or dreaming. But certainly one of the two. Running away is what you did the last time I challenged you to back up your fake "facts" and fake news sources with some VERIFIABLE FACTS, and legitimate news sources. And it's exactly what you're going to do in this thread, too.

Just watch and see.....in......3................2..................1.............

 

[Casper]

It's a shame that the first US African-American President is also by every objective standard one of the worst.

Stefan Molyneux gives an outstanding video presentation, link below, his source information links are below that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsWzfhvvOgg

On January 20, 2009, President Barack Obama took office on a platform of "hope" and "change" for the United States of America. As Obama has completed his final day as President of the United States, Stefan Molyneux reviews his accomplishments, failures and legacy in the annals of American history.



Sources

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

Barack Obama?s Economy: The Ugly Truth | National Review
America hits new record under Obama?s welfare economy: 95 million people NOT in the work force
Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Number Grew 18% Since Obama Took Office in 2009
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/02/07/black-teen-unemployment-jumps-to-38/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/05/is-the-unemployment-rate-lying-to-you/
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...came-most-fiscally-irresponsible-president-in
http://conservativerevival.com/late...debt-obama-accumulated-during-his-presidency/
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/a-veteran-reporter-on-americas-forever-war/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#6170d6e83723
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/DavidStockman/obama-jobs-lies-economy/2015/07/03/id/653391/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/28/americans-poverty-no-work/2594203/
http://conservativetribune.com/obama-makes-astonishing-race/
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/17/survey-under-obama-race-relations-in-the-us-reach-20-year-low/
https://www.city-journal.org/html/obamas-biggest-failure-14638.html
http://townhall.com/columnists/john...have-gotten-worse-under-barack-obama-n2192725
Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Number Grew 18% Since Obama Took Office in 2009

You expect people to follow all those links?
The fun thing will be to see how trump looks after only one term, not going to be good for the fan club.

 

[veritas1]

You say he was an economic failure but he left with 4.7% unemployment and the longest streak of job growth in history.

You say he was weakling abroad but he didn't start any new wars and greatly reduced the money we're wasting abroad.

Your claims about abuse of Federal power are just partisan complaints. The IRS scandal had absolutely nothing to do with him. I can bring up Reagan's Iran-Contra or Bush Jr's WMDs. Obama had no such major scandal.

When you make claims like this you sound like a partisan puppet. Obama was certainly more successful than Bush Jr, Bush Sr (failed reelection), Jimmy Carter (failed relection).

Of Reagan, Clinton and Obama it's clear that Obama inherited the worst situation and left the country in good condition.

I find it sad when people can no longer think critically and honestly because they're so deeply partisan. The idea that Obama can turn around a horrible economic situation and be considered one of the worst presidents is laughable.

If you're going to credit Obama with some sort of economic success then you should be crediting Trump, too. One can also be a weakling and not start a war. The abuse claims also have merit. The IRS spied on political opponents. Reporter James Rosen was surveilied. F&F was a scandal. Holder? Ferguson? Loretta Lynch and Billy? There was plenty of questionable activity without even bringing up emails or Benghazi.

Lastly, I'm happy to excoriate Bush and have done so plenty of times in here. Reagan also inherited 14% inflation and 8% unemployment so hardly a bed of roses.

 

[jnug]

If you're going to credit Obama with some sort of economic success then you should be crediting Trump, too. One can also be a weakling and not start a war. The abuse claims also have merit. The IRS spied on political opponents. Reporter James Rosen was surveilied. F&F was a scandal. Holder? Ferguson? Loretta Lynch and Billy? There was plenty of questionable activity without even bringing up emails or Benghazi.

Lastly, I'm happy to excoriate Bush and have done so plenty of times in here. Reagan also inherited 14% inflation and 8% unemployment so hardly a bed of roses.

Though I did not agree with much of his policy agenda Reagan was the last good President we had. Bush Sr gets an honorable mention. Then a steady downward spiral with each new President worse than the one preceding till now the worst of the worst. Same can be said almost exactly for Sec of State with the one exception of Hillary jumping over Kerry, thus being worse than Kerry leading to the completely awful Tillerson, without question the worst Sec of State in history.

That said, Reagan was a bit off his best in his second term.

 

[veritas1]

Yes, it's pretty funny. You people usually are funny. Of course, in this case, you and I both know that if there were any FACTS to back up your warped, inverted worldviews, you would have posted them just now. Instead, you posted more empty, fake news nonsense. But hey, any time you're ready to discuss FACTS (and back them up)....I'll be ready for you.



"YOU" certainly can, and do, all the time. That's what you do here. You post opinions (yours and those of other right wingers like you) as "facts", and then duck and dodge any/all requests for objective facts and/or documentation. And then you pout and whine when reasonable people dismiss your arguments for the baseless ideological gibberish that they are.



Sounds like you might be exercising your "right" as a Trumpian to lie selectively and without repercussions. I have no idea what you might possibly be thinking about, but I am 100% sure that delusions (i.e. fixed, false beliefs) are not a race-specific phenomenon.



LOL, now I know you're lying. Or dreaming. But certainly one of the two. Running away is what you did the last time I challenged you to back up your fake "facts" and fake news sources with some VERIFIABLE FACTS, and legitimate news sources. And it's exactly what you're going to do in this thread, too.

Just watch and see.....in......3................2..................1.............

What a load of horse dung. You simply say , "Oh, that never happened" and expect that's the last word on it. You're the worst sort of ideological drone. Hilarious.

Philly Starbucks thread. Posts #798 & #800. A black conservative was asking you to tell him how he was deluded. You ran off. So, you either have a faulty memory or are simply dishonest.

 

[late]

Though I did not agree with much of his policy agenda Reagan was the last good President we had. Bush Sr gets an honorable mention. Then a steady downward spiral with each new President worse than the one preceding till now the worst of the worst. Same can be said almost exactly for Sec of State with the one exception of Hillary jumping over Kerry, thus being worse than Kerry leading to the completely awful Tillerson, without question the worst Sec of State in history.

That said, Reagan was a bit off his best in his second term.

Ike was the last good president.

If I was going to write a book about Reagan, it would be titled 'The 1,001 Screwups of Ronald Reagan'.

 

[Shiftman]

The only terrible truth here is that some people are pathologically obsessed with the man.

I think that it is twofold. He is black AND intelligent. Must be VERY hard for many of them to come to grips with.

 

[veritas1]

Though I did not agree with much of his policy agenda Reagan was the last good President we had. Bush Sr gets an honorable mention. Then a steady downward spiral with each new President worse than the one preceding till now the worst of the worst. Same can be said almost exactly for Sec of State with the one exception of Hillary jumping over Kerry, thus being worse than Kerry leading to the completely awful Tillerson, without question the worst Sec of State in history.

That said, Reagan was a bit off his best in his second term.

Take away all the noise and BS and I think Trump could actually be very successful. If the economy continues to do well, we don't get bogged down in the ME more than necessary and immigration gets addressed, I don't see why that would be failure. Plus, at least Trump is attempting to resolve the NOKO situation and we have also decimated ISIS. On Iran, he's letting them know they won't get a free ride to nukes, which is what the deal basically gave them. Most of the assessment of Trump is based on personal hatred, not objective analysis.

 

[veritas1]

I think that it is twofold. He is black AND intelligent. Must be VERY hard for many of them to come to grips with.

It must have been hard for Biden since he called Obama the first good, clean African American candidate.

 

[Shiftman]

If you're going to credit Obama with some sort of economic success then you should be crediting Trump, too. QUOTE]

What say we do just that. How about we stop putting out a false narrative that Trump inhereted an economic disaster when in actuality he inhereted an economy that was in pretty good shape. Is that fair enough place to start? Then I can give Trump credit under a reasonable basis and not a " hyped" up one.

 

[Shiftman]

It must have been hard for Biden since he called Obama the first good, clean African American candidate.

Be that as it may be. Obama is an intelligent man and as a resident of the deep south, I can assure you that it rubbed many a "good ole boy" the wrong way.

 

[ecofarm]

It must have been hard for Biden since he called Obama the first good, clean African American candidate.

Biden is a bumbling fool. Would you like a list of the ridiculous crap that's flopped out of his mouth? Wasn't he "get the double-barrel, go to the porch and fire a warning shot"?

 

[veritas1]

Biden is a bumbling fool. Would you like a list of the ridiculous crap that's flopped out of his mouth? Wasn't he "get the double-barrel, go to the porch and fire a warning shot"?

I have no disagreements on your assessment of Biden.

 

[Fearandloathing]

It's a shame that the first US African-American President is also by every objective standard one of the worst.

Stefan Molyneux gives an outstanding video presentation, link below, his source information links are below that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsWzfhvvOgg

On January 20, 2009, President Barack Obama took office on a platform of "hope" and "change" for the United States of America. As Obama has completed his final day as President of the United States, Stefan Molyneux reviews his accomplishments, failures and legacy in the annals of American history.



Sources

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

Barack Obama?s Economy: The Ugly Truth | National Review
America hits new record under Obama?s welfare economy: 95 million people NOT in the work force
Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Number Grew 18% Since Obama Took Office in 2009
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/02/07/black-teen-unemployment-jumps-to-38/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/05/is-the-unemployment-rate-lying-to-you/
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...came-most-fiscally-irresponsible-president-in
http://conservativerevival.com/late...debt-obama-accumulated-during-his-presidency/
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/a-veteran-reporter-on-americas-forever-war/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#6170d6e83723
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/DavidStockman/obama-jobs-lies-economy/2015/07/03/id/653391/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/28/americans-poverty-no-work/2594203/
http://conservativetribune.com/obama-makes-astonishing-race/
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/17/survey-under-obama-race-relations-in-the-us-reach-20-year-low/
https://www.city-journal.org/html/obamas-biggest-failure-14638.html
http://townhall.com/columnists/john...have-gotten-worse-under-barack-obama-n2192725
Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Number Grew 18% Since Obama Took Office in 2009

I bet I could find twice as many blogs etc. that rate Obama much better; I am on record as one of his toughest critics. Having said that, what it says it that the United States ideological war is alive and sick, and here, a year and a half after Trump's election you are all so insecure you have to constantly re-assert the OPINION Obama was bad.

In ONE area, he reigns so far over Trump he's in ****ing orbit....and that's class. He is a gentleman who treats others with respect and for the most part was honest. He also, in my opinion made decisions based on what he believed would be the best for his country at the time.

Trump is a rude fart at the dinner table, a cruel bully of a man whose decisions are ALL made on what is best for Trump.

My suggestion to the Trump and/or anti-Obama people; start paying attention. He's robbing you blind and laughing at you