The Horrible Truth about Barack Obama's Presidency

[late]

Ok, let's take a look at the score sheet. I doubt anyone else will. So here it is.

Obama (D) - 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. So the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as "scandal free" they aren't speaking wishfully, they're simply telling the truth.
Bush, George W. (R) - 8 yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.
Clinton (D) - 8 yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. One conviction. One prison sentence. That's right nearly 8 yrs of investigations. Tens of millions spent and 30 yrs of claiming them the most corrupt ever and there was exactly one person convicted of a crime.
Bush, George H. W. (R) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. One conviction. One prison sentence.
Reagan (R) - 8 yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.
Carter (D) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. Zero convictions and zero prison sentences.
Ford (R) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment and one conviction. One prison sentence.
Nixon (R) - 6 yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.
Johnson (D) - 5 yrs in office. Zero indictments. Zero convictions. Zero prison sentences.
So, let’s see where that leaves us. In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.
In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of (a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That's more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans. If you want to count articles of impeachment as indictments (they aren't really but we can count them as an action), both sides get one more. However, Clinton wasn't found guilty while Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford (and a pardon carries with it a legal admission of guilt on the part of the pardoned). So those only serve to make Republicans look even worse.
With everything going on with Trump and his people right now, it's a safe bet Republicans are gonna be padding their numbers a bit real soon.
So let's just go over the numbers one more time, shall we? 120 indictments for Republicans. 89 convictions, and 34 prison sentences. Those aren't "feelings" or "alternate facts." Those are simply the stats by the numbers. Republicans are, and have been for my entire lifetime, the most criminally corrupt party to hold the office of the presidency.

And it looks to me like Trump's going to be upping their numbers relatively soon. But yeah Trumpsters are right, Obama was the worst...

That's in the real word. The people you are talking to never, ever, ever go there.

 

[late]

Like I care what you think.

Actually, that's an aggregate score combined from a number of polls of historians.

 

[veritas1]

Ok, let's take a look at the score sheet. I doubt anyone else will. So here it is.

Obama (D) - 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. So the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as "scandal free" they aren't speaking wishfully, they're simply telling the truth.
Bush, George W. (R) - 8 yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.
Clinton (D) - 8 yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. One conviction. One prison sentence. That's right nearly 8 yrs of investigations. Tens of millions spent and 30 yrs of claiming them the most corrupt ever and there was exactly one person convicted of a crime.
Bush, George H. W. (R) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. One conviction. One prison sentence.
Reagan (R) - 8 yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.
Carter (D) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. Zero convictions and zero prison sentences.
Ford (R) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment and one conviction. One prison sentence.
Nixon (R) - 6 yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.
Johnson (D) - 5 yrs in office. Zero indictments. Zero convictions. Zero prison sentences.
So, let’s see where that leaves us. In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.
In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of (a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That's more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans. If you want to count articles of impeachment as indictments (they aren't really but we can count them as an action), both sides get one more. However, Clinton wasn't found guilty while Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford (and a pardon carries with it a legal admission of guilt on the part of the pardoned). So those only serve to make Republicans look even worse.
With everything going on with Trump and his people right now, it's a safe bet Republicans are gonna be padding their numbers a bit real soon.
So let's just go over the numbers one more time, shall we? 120 indictments for Republicans. 89 convictions, and 34 prison sentences. Those aren't "feelings" or "alternate facts." Those are simply the stats by the numbers. Republicans are, and have been for my entire lifetime, the most criminally corrupt party to hold the office of the presidency.

And it looks to me like Trump's going to be upping their numbers relatively soon. But yeah Trumpsters are right, Obama was the worst...

Using your logic, LBJ was a great president, too.

 

[Pedestrian]

too be honest i don't have a problem with coolidge on a personal level. he was ideologically consistent as a financial conservative.

coolidge is not known for any big displays of presidential accomplishments, but he did nothing wrong or criminal either. he is sort of middle of the pack, somewhere 20 and 29 in terms of ranking.

i simply disagreed with his veiw of government.

Oh I understand, I was as much re-edifying myself and it seems, Coolidge just may have been the last conservative repub to occupy the oval office.

Eisenhower notwithstanding.

 

[Pedestrian]

Using your logic, LBJ was a great president, too.

Too a lot of people he was. Seems corrupt and lucky to even make it to the senate and even majority leader but according to many,
once in the oval, he became a very troubled statesmen and went with his advisers (the same Kennedy advisers) on Vietnam.

And as much because through of the Kennedy years, it was all a lie. Kennedy was consumed by showing the world he meant business. [sic]
Only after the murderously bungled coup taking out Diem in late 1963 did he tell RFK, we need to get the hell...out of Vietnam.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Oh I understand, I was as much re-edifying myself and it seems, Coolidge just may have been the last conservative repub to occupy the oval office.

Eisenhower notwithstanding.

it was the atitude of conservative politicians like secretery of the treasury andrew mellon that i have a problem with. he had the brilliant idea of doing nothing to stop the pain of the great depression

 

[Nickyjo]

Thank you.

The only analysis needed is to look at the sources. Newsmax, Breitbart, etc., says it all...

 

[veritas1]

That's in the real word. The people you are talking to never, ever, ever go there.

Oh, so this is how we rank presidents? Lincoln's Secretary of War was forced to resign. In your world that makes him worse than Obama or LBJ. Great logic.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

You see that's ad hominum. Or can you really not specify just how Obama was in your words...an unmitigated disaster ?

Of course not, right wing hacks don't offer anything other than making statements with nothing to back it up and deflection.

 

[veritas1]

Too a lot of people he was. Seems corrupt and lucky to even make it to the senate and even majority leader but according to many,
once in the oval, he became a very troubled statesmen and went with his advisers (the same Kennedy advisers) on Vietnam.

And as much because through of the Kennedy years, it was all a lie. Kennedy was consumed by showing the world he meant business. [sic]
Only after the murderously bungled coup taking out Diem in late 1963 did he tell RFK, we need to get the hell...out of Vietnam.

I'm well acquainted with the story. Johnson's problem is that he could neither crap nor get off the pot on Vietnam.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Of course not, right wing hacks don't offer anything other than making statements with nothing to back it up and deflection.

They're emotional people. They're not rational. You can't debate with irrational people. Anyone who insists Obama was a disaster is just as irrational as anyone who says Reagan was a disaster.

There are rational right-wing people but not many on this forum.

 

[PTF]

We get it. You hate Obama.

Wrong.
He was a mistake and a embarrassment. He should of never been voted into power.
-obamascare,a medical disaster and highly unaffordable.
-stimulus plan, no one really got to spend the money fearing loss of jobs
-rise of BLM shenanigans protesting against our police because they are protecting us and them as well. Black unemployment still high with no end in sight. This is where the BLM shenanigans should of been concentrating.
-abortion, wrong number.
-same sex marriage,this hits way below the belt.
Sounds like a broken record with these liberal/Demos...not hate.

 

[late]

Oh, so this is how we rank presidents?

It's hardly the only way.

But polling historians works reasonably well, and lots better than asking people that really don't know much history.

 

[veritas1]

They're emotional people. They're not rational. You can't debate with irrational people. Anyone who insists Obama was a disaster is just as irrational as anyone who says Reagan was a disaster.

There are rational right-wing people but not many on this forum.

Rather amusing, especially as the guy you are talking to is one of the more irrational people in here. Obama WAS a disaster. He was weak abroad, divisive at home and was an abuser of power. How ironic that the never-Trumpers suddenly spout great concern over the Constitution yet never gave a damn when Obama trashed it. You know a guy can be black and still be a terrible president. Obama proved this. It's not color that matters but ideology and policy.

 

[veritas1]

It's hardly the only way.

But polling historians works reasonably well, and lots better than asking people that really don't know much history.

We aren't talking about historians now, as you know, but about the "scandal quotient" listed above.

 

[late]

We aren't talking about historians now

"Oh, so this is how we rank presidents? "

That's what you said.

In any case, I'm not interested in the scandal list. It's problematic.

It does illustrate how corrupt Republicans have been, but that should stand on it's own.

 

[Pedestrian]

I don't think Nixon was a disaster except in how he ended. He was actually much more progressive than any liberals give him credit for. Reagan had ups and downs but one of the better presidents we've had. Bush I, not so hot but only one term. Bush II, disaster because of idiocy of Iraq. Trump...yet to be seen. Take away all of the political BS and posturing and he hasn't done badly.

You would be correct about Nixon, probably the most 'liberal' repub to be pres. Reagan was the first all-hat-no-cattle conservative.
Grade B movie actor who was prior, a life long democrat, voted for FDR 4 times and was a union leader president of SCAG the Screen Actors Guild.

He became a repub due to the high income tax rates, gov. of Calif, and won by denigrating Jimmy Carter, the poor, the welfare queen and limousine liberal.
As usual, that denigration paid off and the true Keynesian deficit spending, war mongering, rent-seeking, profiteering, slanderous right in America
...spread their wings took to the sky...sky high debt and tripling of payroll taxes, just for starters.

What offends the left and it should, Jimmy Carter was twice the man Reagan was. Grew up a peanut farmer on his dad's farm. He knew
he'd inherit that farm yet wanted to do more, be more. So college and then the navy. The navy ?

Not to be a deck ape, no !! Became a nuke sub commander, served under Adm. Rickover and made Rickover's dream come true of making
sure the US brings all of its technology to the military.

One could argue with meaning, thus with that technology being brought to bear and getting an agreement with Europe to put Pershing IIs missiles
(INDF, Intermediate Nuke Defense Force) on the continent is what really...ended the cold war.

Not Reagan's bellicose BS or SDI (star wars) Strategic Defense Initiative that petered out as merely a gift to the investor class,
a multi-billion $ boondoggle and profit-center.

 

[ecofarm]

-rise of BLM shenanigans protesting against our police because they are protecting us and them as well. Black unemployment still high with no end in sight. This is where the BLM shenanigans should of been concentrating.

Wait, I thought BLM was supposed to concentrate on single motherhood. Or was it gang violence. Anyway, just as long as no one addresses police brutality, right? Because that's unamerican and racist, right?

I'd like to see your response if someone said the NRA should do something else.

 

[Pedestrian]

We aren't talking about historians now, as you know, but about the "scandal quotient" listed above.

Scandals ? When Wells Fargo breaks the law...it's a banking scandal. When you steal from the bank...it's crime.

For the bank, it's only a 'civil' matter, for you, it's...a criminal matter.

 

[veritas1]

"Oh, so this is how we rank presidents? "

That's what you said.

In any case, I'm not interested in the scandal list. It's problematic.

It does illustrate how corrupt Republicans have been, but that should stand on it's own.

Yet, you quoted that list in making your judgment of the "real world" so I offered another fact to be considered.

 

[veritas1]

You would be correct about Nixon, probably the most 'liberal' repub to be pres. Reagan was the first all-hat-no-cattle conservative.
Grade B movie actor who was prior, a life long democrat, voted for FDR 4 times and was a union leader president of SCAG the Screen Actors Guild.

He became a repub due to the high income tax rates, gov. of Calif, and won by denigrating Jimmy Carter, the poor, the welfare queen and limousine liberal.
As usual, that denigration paid off and the true Keynesian deficit spending, war mongering, rent-seeking, profiteering, slanderous right in America
...spread their wings took to the sky...sky high debt and tripling of payroll taxes, just for starters.

What offends the left and it should, Jimmy Carter was twice the man Reagan was. Grew up a peanut farmer on his dad's farm. He knew
he'd inherit that farm yet wanted to do more, be more. So college and then the navy. The navy ?

Not to be a deck ape, no !! Became a nuke sub commander, served under Adm. Rickover and made Rickover's dream come true of making
sure the US brings all of its technology to the military.

One could argue with meaning, thus with that technology being brought to bear and getting an agreement with Europe to put Pershing IIs missiles
(INDF, Intermediate Nuke Defense Force) on the continent is what really...ended the cold war.

Not Reagan's bellicose BS or SDI (star wars) Strategic Defense Initiative that petered out as merely a gift to the investor class,
a multi-billion $ boondoggle and profit-center.

Being an actor or former Democrat doesn't make you a bad president and neither does being a peanut farmer or nuke sub commander make you a good one. Reagan could never have governed as an unalloyed traditional conservative. Nobody can so that isn't a legitimate criticism. If people had wanted a true blue conservative through and through, they'd have elected Goldwater.

 

[Pedestrian]

Iran deal...pallets of cash.
Misusing the IRS against political opponents. (Yea, I know it didn't happen, except it did)
Surveillance of reporter James Rosen. (another abuse of power)
F&F. Border agent killed. Holder lied to Congress
Lying repeatedly about Obamacare with the famous "If you like your plan..." comment. Gruber told us what the strategy was.
Stirring up racial antipathy in Ferguson by taking up for criminal Michael Brown like he was some national hero. That indirectly fueled the growth of BLM with its associated problems.
Trading 5 top terrorists for deserter Bergdahl and not telling Congress until it was too late to be stopped.
Russian "reset"
Saying he had no power to write the Dreamer law into existence ("I'm not a king.") and then doing it anyway.
Letting ISIS fester for 3 years while it grew, took territory and murdered people across the ME. ("They're the JV.")
Failure to arm the Kurds for years and then only indirectly. (Other presidents failed here, too)
Drawing a red line in Ukraine, doing nothing and letting Putin look statesman-like.
Helping to destabilize Libya which led directly to Benghazi. (As Hill chirped, "We came, we saw, he died."....chuckle, chuckle)
Treated Israel like an adversary.
$500 million to Solyndra
Did nothing about the Black Panther Philadelphia voter intimidation.
Describing Ft. Hood as "workplace violence".
Failing to address sanctuary cities
Commutes sentence of traitor Chelsea Manning
Changing the rules on unmasking Americans as he left office in order to help the investigation of Trump

Iran deal...pallets of cash. The money was theirs and the deal is better than none.
Misusing the IRS against political opponents. (Yea, I know it didn't happen, except it did) Maybe what you want to believe, not true per your repub. house.
Surveillance of reporter James Rosen. (another abuse of power) Prove it.
F&F. Border agent killed. Holder lied to Congress. Several have been ober many years, a young girl killed last week, the lies and cover-up began instantly ?
Lying repeatedly about Obamacare with the famous "If you like your plan..." comment. Gruber told us what the strategy was. Cool, now we can blame for all of the corp. corruption. The industry and not Obama...took your Dr. away.
Stirring up racial antipathy in Ferguson by taking up for criminal Michael Brown like he was some national hero. That indirectly fueled the growth of BLM with its associated problems. Not even a nice try. Stirred up is one I haven't heard and calling racists racists does tend to stir up...the racists.
Trading 5 top terrorists for deserter Bergdahl and not telling Congress until it was too late to be stopped. Yea, better he sold missiles to Iran and use the million$ to fund an illegal war ?
Russian "reset" What about it ?
Saying he had no power to write the Dreamer law into existence ("I'm not a king.") and then doing it anyway. By executive order, one of the repubs favorite powers.
Letting ISIS fester for 3 years while it grew, took territory and murdered people across the ME. ("They're the JV.") Revisionist hist., he flew 100,000s of sortees and got ISIS down to nothing so the manchild taking office just in time...could gloat like a child.
Failure to arm the Kurds for years and then only indirectly. (Other presidents failed here, too) Since when did any American pol let alone the repubs ever give a flying F*** about the Kurds a tribe that both Bushes left to go away or die.
Drawing a red line in Ukraine, doing nothing and letting Putin look statesman-like. What red line for Ukraine ?

Libya which led directly to Benghazi. Reagan had 241 marines by his ego-driven gun-boat diplomacy. Bush II allowed the pentagon to be attacked. Libya betrayed by the Reagan admin. from the start, was on the CIA hit list for years before Obama and HRC. No committee hearings for the 10+ Benghazi-like attacks on our foreign service all over the world ?
Treated Israel like an adversary. Hardly and who cares ?

$500 million to Solyndra So what ? Ridiculous !! 1 loan guarantee for 1 co, out of billion$ in subsidies to the solar industry.
Did nothing about the Black Panther Philadelphia voter intimidation. Oh please. you are trying my patience.
Describing Ft. Hood as "workplace violence". From wrong colored suit to his terminology ?
Failing to address sanctuary cities. What has any pres, done for that. what was Obama to do and what is Trump doing ?
Commutes sentence of traitor Chelsea Manning. Oh please, LOL after all of the repub pardons.
Changing the rules on unmasking Americans as he left office in order to help the investigation of Trump. Just more ridiculous partisan tripe like your whole post here.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

OMG yes, I want to read just what Dan...had to say. I mean when a man is a liberal, black, socialist/communist Kenyan Muslim,
inherited a completely broken economy directly caused by the greed and avarice of the right's rent-seeking, risk-your-money wall street America's

real proud and fabulously wealthy socialists, then I mean there is no way he.....

didn't rebuild the auto industry, that Bush II started.....
didn't quadruple the drone war
didn't go after ISIS did more than Trump ever did, just basking like the preening little boy when he falsely takes credit.
didn't go after the right's fair-haired boys called...fraudulent bankers.
didn't restore the value of equities (paper) so the investor class could clean up and at Bush II's lower tax rates too.
didn't continue both wars he inherited.
didn't finally get America almost completely out of Iraq.
didn't create over 10 million jobs with GDP growth between 2 and 3% yearly.
didn't deal with a completely partisan and intransigent congress that gave him zero support for 8 years.
...and with dignity and class.

Be as cheaply partisan and ignorant as you wish but trust me and in uncertain terms, B. Obama will go down
as one of the best presidents and if he had an R after his name, would be practically a god.

You might want to reread my post and take it as the sarcasm it obviously was. Thx.

Obama was far from perfect, but my post was mocking the kooky hackery presented in the OP.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Sources

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

Barack Obama?s Economy: The Ugly Truth | National Review
America hits new record under Obama?s welfare economy: 95 million people NOT in the work force
Record 95,102,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Number Grew 18% Since Obama Took Office in 2009
Black Teen Unemployment Jumps to 38% | Breitbart
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/05/is-the-unemployment-rate-lying-to-you/
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...came-most-fiscally-irresponsible-president-in
http://conservativerevival.com/late...debt-obama-accumulated-during-his-presidency/
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/a-veteran-reporter-on-americas-forever-war/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#6170d6e83723
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/DavidStockman/obama-jobs-lies-economy/2015/07/03/id/653391/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/28/americans-poverty-no-work/2594203/
http://conservativetribune.com/obama-makes-astonishing-race/
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/17/survey-under-obama-race-relations-in-the-us-reach-20-year-low/
https://www.city-journal.org/html/obamas-biggest-failure-14638.html
http://townhall.com/columnists/john...have-gotten-worse-under-barack-obama-n2192725
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-labor-force-number-grew-18-obama-took-office

For the most part, every right-wingnut rag available.

That's funny.

 

[veritas1]

Iran deal...pallets of cash. The money was theirs and the deal is better than none.
Misusing the IRS against political opponents. (Yea, I know it didn't happen, except it did) Maybe what you want to believe, not true per your repub. house.
Surveillance of reporter James Rosen. (another abuse of power) Prove it.

You sound more like Mrs. Obama or a member of his PR team.

A few comments.

1. Re: Rosen......https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...788030e6b44_story.html?utm_term=.db02f2144abb

2. Yes, the insurance industry wrote the Obamacare bill. Why was Obama so beholden to them? I thought only Republicans were in the pockets of big business What happened? Why was lying part of the sales strategy if this thing was so wonderful?

3. It's not the "racists" Obama criticized but the police. He immediately bought into the narrative being peddled by the media that the officer simply gunned down Brown instead of having done so in self defense. In doing this, he gave voice to all the crazed cop haters and brought them out of the woodwork. Very irresponsible and shameful.

4. Nice deflection on Bergdahl. Not sure what that has to do with Iran-Contra. That's a separate topic.

5. Hill and Obama thought they could play nice with the Russians and got played instead. In over their heads.

6. Lot of revisionist history I see. We were in Beirut as a peacekeeeping force. "Gunboat diplomacy" had nothing to do with it. And as long as you like to stray off topic, what about the WTC I attack, the Khobar Towers attack, the African embassy attacks and the USS Cole attack that all happened to Clinton? He utterly failed to degrade Al qaeda for 8 years and then handed off to Bush who had 911 happen 8 months later. The planning for that took years, years where Clinton did nothing except blow up an aspirin factory. You want some facts, there you go.

7. Got ISIS down to nothing? Really? And you talk of revisionism? That also fails to address his total foot dragging for years. This is easily documented. I guess those hundreds of thousands of sorties (many of which returned with their ordnance) were carried out by his "60 nation coalition".:lol:

8. In case you missed it, there's one democracy in the ME and that's Israel. Obama didn't give them the time of day and instead went sniffing around the hindquarters of the mullahs and even paid to do so. A complete failure.

9. Oh, the Philly case wasn't voter intimidation? Two guys with clubs? It damn well would have been had the parties been reversed.

10. Trump hasn't pardoned a clear cut traitor. Only Obama does that. But you go on talking about Scooter Libby and Dinesh D'Souza if it makes you feel better.

11. Ft. Hood was terrorism. 5 year olds know that but not Obama. Or rather he refuses to say it.

12. The change of the law on sharing of unmasked citizens among agencies is also easily documented. Here, so you don't have to strain yourself. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/...tude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html

13. Look up the difference between an EO and legislation. Obama legislated and the Constitution nowhere gives him that power. Saying Trump or anyone else did something similar doesn't change what happened.