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The God Question

RAMOSS said:
And, how do you know that? If it is knowledge, you can show that knowledge to be true. How can you demonstrate to others that your claim is true?
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Thought "know" might trigger a few lol Have you ever been in love? If so how did you "know" ?

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Omega Man said:
Sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing, balance, pressure, temperature, pain, motion.


OM
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How do your experiences of "sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing, balance, pressure, temperature, pain, motion" very their reality?
 
Angel said:
How do your experiences of "sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing, balance, pressure, temperature, pain, motion" very their reality?
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They each can be measured.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
No, they are recorded and quantified.


OM
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All your record and quantification gives is an account of your perceptions, and both record and quantification are further perceptions. How is this verification of reality?
 
Angel said:
All your record and quantification gives is an account of your perceptions, and both record and quantification are further perceptions. How is this verification of reality?
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Data is not perception.


OM
 
The universe is massive, trillions upon trillions of suns, god really has his work cut out.
 
perthbum said:
The universe is massive, trillions upon trillions of suns, god really has his work cut out.
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Careful. According to some here, that which you can observe by testing and measuring, is only a perception.


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Omega Man said:
None of which undermines the contrast of quickly condemning ancients for daring to get closer to God by elevating themselves only hundreds of feet, versus no such swift justice meted out when elevating ourselves a couple hundred thousand miles.

And still we couldn't locate God.


OM
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We? Speak for yourself...you're not searching in the right place...
 
Elvira said:
We? Speak for yourself...you're not searching in the right place...
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Which in no way undermines that the biblical narrative insists God punished the ancients for seeking to get closer to God by elevating themselves a few hundred feet off the ground. Now we go beyond the boundaries of what ancients conceptualized, and what do you know... no punishment, and no God (according to their understanding of what God is).


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Which in no way undermines that the biblical narrative insists God punished the ancients for seeking to get closer to God by elevating themselves a few hundred feet off the ground. Now we go beyond the boundaries of what ancients conceptualized, and what do you know... no punishment, and no God (according to their understanding of what God is).


OM
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You may wanna re-examine what their motives were...their intentions were in no way to get closer to God...Genesis 11:4...
 
Angel said:
Data are organized perceptions of perceptions. What do you think is demonstrated?
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Now you're pettifogging. Certain perceptions can be tested, measured, and quantified. That isn't perception, those are results.


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Angel said:
Yes, your reality is verified through testimony of those who are also an experience of yours by way of personal perceptions.
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And everything I see is only refracted light and old light at that. Imagine my stale photon interpretation and how it is all at least several minutes old, yet I imagine it as something current...silly me. Eleventy blue rattle cake first growing southern trapezoid slithered frost tangent...Washington.
 
Elvira said:
You may wanna re-examine what their motives were...their intentions were in no way to get closer to God...Genesis 11:4...
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"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

Guess where God is? At least according to the ancients.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Now you're pettifogging. Certain perceptions can be tested, measured, and quantified. That isn't perception, those are results.


OM
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Good word. But I'm looking for clarity and precision here. Testing, measuring, and quantifying all involve perception. The results of any perceptual experience are a perceptual experience. My question to tecoyah concerned his privileging one set of perceptual experiences with the honorific "reality." I'm interested in finding out how that privileging is justified.
 
tecoyah said:
And everything I see is only refracted light and old light at that. Imagine my stale photon interpretation and how it is all at least several minutes old, yet I imagine it as something current...silly me. Eleventy blue rattle cake first growing southern trapezoid slithered frost tangent...Washington.
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We can't escape experience.
 
Omega Man said:
"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

Guess where God is? At least according to the ancients.


OM
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It was not built for the worship and praise of Jehovah, but was dedicated to false man-made religion, with a motive of making a “celebrated name” for the builders.​...local citizens, thinking of their city as God’s seat of government, claimed that the name was compounded from Bab/Gate and ilu/God, signifying “Gate of God"...Genesis 10:9,10...
 
Angel said:
Good word. But I'm looking for clarity and precision here. Testing, measuring, and quantifying all involve perception. The results of any perceptual experience are a perceptual experience. My question to tecoyah concerned his privileging one set of perceptual experiences with the honorific "reality." I'm interested in finding out how that privileging is justified.
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No, what you're looking for is a way to frame a clever argument, similar to the time-honored Christian tactic of "how do you see the wind"; which now you can with modern testing equipment. Unfortunately the loaded-questions you offered were easily handled with logic.


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Elvira said:
It was not built for the worship and praise of Jehovah, but was dedicated to false man-made religion, with a motive of making a “celebrated name” for the builders.​...local citizens, thinking of their city as God’s seat of government, claimed that the name was compounded from Bab/Gate and ilu/God, signifying “Gate of God"...Genesis 10:9,10...
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I never said that the story had anything to do with worshipping or praising. Same as how we still don't worship or praise when we violate "heaven's" domain nowadays - nor are we punished for it. Strange, we go to "heaven" now, and there still is no biblical God.


OM
 
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