The Democratic Party's Brand is Cooked

[NatMorton]

It is heartwarming to see how concerned MAGA is about the Democratic Party. You'd think they'd have enough to worry about with Trump sinking like a rock.

And it's less than heartwarming to see how few members of the Democratic party seem to understand why they lost to Trump ... again.

 

[aociswundumho]

On top of that the party establishment is pushing down the rising stars who could be the leaders.

True but I don't think they'll be able to stop progressives from taking over the party, especially after Mamdani wins in NYC.

 

[Slartibartfast]

True but I don't think they'll be able to stop progressives from taking over the party, especially after Mamdani wins in NYC.

I agree that this is likely what’s next.

 

[What if...?]

Here's the important chart from the WSJ's article:

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As I've tried to point out many times, Trump hasn't beaten the Democrats two of the last three times because he's a wonderful person with terrific policy ideas. Many people hold their nose and vote for Trump because they see the Democrats as being an even worse option. Think about that, Democrats: Worse. Than. Trump.

Well, they have been convinced at great expense over a period of decades that democrats suck.

It’s not organic. It’s the product of industries based on a hundred years of research into what makes us tick, conducted in the name of power and profit.

 

[NatMorton]

Well, they have been convinced at great expense over a period of decades that democrats suck.

It’s not organic. It’s the product of industries based on a hundred years of research into what makes us tick, conducted in the name of power and profit.

I see. Those fools have been duped by "power and profit," but not you, right?

 

[trixare4kids]

I'm not sure there was a party that looked more dead than Trump's GOP in February of 2021, yet here we are.

Maybe if the clowncar Biden administration and the rest of the obsessed haters, who labeled the MAGA electorate semi fascist extremists, didn’t spend the next four years going after Trump instead of paying attention to pertinent issues like immigration and the economy, Trump’s GOP wouldn’t have risen back to power. Lying for Biden’s health problems also didn’t help them.
And they’re still making Trump their primary platform. The Democrats are bankrupt and they did it to themselves.

 

[JMR]

And it's less than heartwarming to see how few members of the Democratic party seem to understand why they lost to Trump ... again.

It's heartwarming to see your concern for the health of the Democratic Party, and have advice for them.

 

[NatMorton]

Maybe if the clowncar Biden administration and the rest of the haters who labeled the MAGA electorate semi fascist extremists didn’t spend the next four years going after Trump instead of paying attention to pertinent issues like immigration and the economy, Trump’s GOP wouldn’t have risen back to power.

In general I agree with you. Too many on the left seem to think good governance need be nothing more than Trump bashing.

 

[CimpleMan]

If Dems manage to retake the House in the midterms they'll manage risk in 2028. Don't see much gain at all with this strategy, but may succeed in keeping some power in DC.

Fortune favors the bold. Wish Democratic Party went go for bold economic agenda. Economic prosperity for all message is simpler than targeting individual demographic segments.

 

[NatMorton]

It's heartwarming to see your concern for the health of the Democratic Party, and have advice for them.

My heart does not warm for Democrats as, generally speaking, I think their ideas on public policy often amount to a steaming pile of nonsense. That said, I can still be objective. They've lost two of the last three Presidential elections because their policies were too extreme for moderates in swing states. Whether you can process that reality is not really a concern of mine.

 

[trixare4kids]

In general I agree with you. Too many on the left seem to think good governance need be nothing more than Trump bashing.

One would think that by now, they would admit the error of their ways. They are literally still clueless.

 

[trixare4kids]

True but I don't think they'll be able to stop progressives from taking over the party, especially after Mamdani wins in NYC.

That’s another thing that’s killing them. The majority of the country is politically not like the progressives who are taking the party too far left.

 

[NatMorton]

One would think that by now, they would admit the error of their ways. They are literally still clueless.

Whether it's an error depends on perspective. You and I judge policies based on their effectiveness or by winning elections, and I don't think many on the left do. They judge a policy by how advocating for that policy makes them feel. So in that sense, there is no error as far as they're concerned. Win or lose, policy catastrophy or not, their personal insecurities are massaged by a brand of advocacy that makes them feel morally superior to others.

 

[What if...?]

I see. Those fools have been duped by "power and profit," but not you, right?

Not at all. I do have what they used to call Asperger’s Syndrome. Which means my social instinct set is missing parts or they have a diluted impact.

And as propaganda targets emotional responses much of it has always fallen flat with me.

I came here all those years ago to try to warn people something like MAGA was being built by the Conservative Entertainment Complex. How it was being done etc, by both sides. Posted articles and evidence etc.

And was roundly mocked by both sides.

So the short answer is no.

 

[trixare4kids]

Whether it's an error depends on perspective. You and I judge policies based on their effectiveness or by winning elections, and I don't think many on the left do. They judge a policy by how advocating for that policy makes them feel. So in that sense, there is no error as far as they're concerned. Win or lose, policy catastrophy or not, their personal insecurities are massaged by a brand of advocacy that makes them feel morally superior to others.

I completely agree with the above.
The Democrats are the party of narcissism!

 

[aociswundumho]

That’s another thing that’s killing them. The majority of the country is politically not like the progressives who are taking the party too far left.

That why I encourage it. There have been dozens of far left countries, yet not one of them was/is democratic. They were/are all one party states, because if they allowed free and fair elections, the people would vote them out the first chance they got. As we sit here and write, people are risking their lives on makeshift rafts trying to get out of cuba and away from the vile, despicable, political left.

The more left the dems go, the fewer votes they'll get.

 

[trixare4kids]

Meanwhile Trump has made some pretty great trade deals with the EU today. A president who is working hard for this country’s economic growth.
The EU will buy $750B worth of energy from us and also invest $600B in our country!

What are the Democrats doing today but knocking him?

 

[trixare4kids]

That why I encourage it. There have been dozens of far left countries, yet not one of them was/is democratic. They were/are all one party states, because if they allowed free and fair elections, the people would vote them out the first chance they got. As we sit here and write, people are risking their lives on makeshift rafts trying to get out of cuba and away from the vile, despicable, political left.

The more left the dems go, the fewer votes they'll get.

Absolutely!
What has leftism done for anyone?

 

[BitterPill]

The Democratic Party's Brand is Cooked:

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I keep telling them that nobody wants to go back to Wade, fight the Russians with pistols or swim against boys.

Because they lack real solutions in these passionate issues, the Democratic Party stinks.

First of all, Wade kills babies, the Russians are our friends, and no one in the MAGAsphere wants to swim against boys, preferring young nubile women instead.

Secondly, thank you for not using the 'E' word.

MAGA.

 

[ElChupacabra]

They need to show more to the public than their chronic hate of Trump.

Wow, a salient point, well done! There is actually something here because clearly the "we're not Trump" angle hasn't been effective. At the same time though, what we're really talking about is the American public having to choose between two low polling options as @NatMorton 's graph demonstrates. That one party is less favorable than another one whose numbers aren't great either isn't really where we want to be. A choice between a crap sandwich and a crap sandwich with lettuce still means we're eating a crap sandwich.

The Democrats will never take stock in themselves. It’s a dying party.

Given we have a two party system, I don't think this is accurate at all, especially when the opposition party is running a cult of personality party for the time being. There was a time when the GOP was in the wilderness and they were ultimately able to make themselves more relevant and win elections. I think this is the same thing the Democrats are going through as well, and is the general shift in politics we've witnessed in both parties.

 

[Hip octogenarian]

Their economic message is high taxes - that's it. Just look at the most "progressive" states like California, NY, Illinois, MA, etc, they all tax the living shit out of you.

And their residents get good services in return. The old cliche still applies, "You get what you pay for."

 

[ElChupacabra]

Absolutely!
What has leftism done for anyone?

Loads of things, including women's suffrage, labor laws, civil rights etc. Or is it your contention these were conservative movements?

 

[Hip octogenarian]

First of all, Wade kills babies, the Russians are our friends, and no one in the MAGAsphere wants to swim against boys, preferring young nubile women instead.

Secondly, thank you for not using the 'E' word.

MAGA.

Wade does not kill babies, but repealing it has killed many women with problem pregnancies. How are Russians our friends, when they've interfered with our elections and have invaded one of our allies? And what does "swim against boys" have to do with anything?

 

[ElChupacabra]

First of all, Wade kills babies, the Russians are our friends, and no one in the MAGAsphere wants to swim against boys, preferring young nubile women instead.

Secondly, thank you for not using the 'E' word.

MAGA.

Does Roe kill babies too, or was it just Wade?

 

[BitterPill]

That why I encourage it. There have been dozens of far left countries, yet not one of them was/is democratic. They were/are all one party states, because if they allowed free and fair elections, the people would vote them out the first chance they got. As we sit here and write, people are risking their lives on makeshift rafts trying to get out of cuba and away from the vile, despicable, political left.

The more left the dems go, the fewer votes they'll get.

Even the Nordic countries are failures, yet they persist with democracy.

Truly despicable.

Furthermore, I have seen you mildly disparage Trump and MAGA several times which is troublesome, but the fact you prefer Trump over a black woman is encouraging.

Please do not disparage Trump or MAGA again.

MAGA.