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The 2018 Major Leage Baseball Thread

dcsports said:
More accurately, it is not considered interference in the stands.
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Agreed.

The ball clearly left the field.
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Not so clear. Betts made his leap and didn't appear to impact the wall until after his leap.
Therefore, one could reasonably conclude that Mookie's glove was still on the field of play when this incident occurred.
Definitely a close judgement call. Maybe wrong, maybe right.

A judgement call, yes, but a horrible one. I don't think the umpire did remember the rule.
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Replay didn't show enough to overturn the call.
 
radioman said:
Agreed.



Not so clear. Betts made his leap and didn't appear to impact the wall until after his leap.
Therefore, one could reasonably conclude that Mookie's glove was still on the field of play when this incident occurred.
Definitely a close judgement call. Maybe wrong, maybe right.



Replay didn't show enough to overturn the call.
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I don't like seeing overturned calls, even wrong ones. If we use replay, let's just ref/ump/officiate with bots. But, putting that aside, this looked like it should have just been called a dinger.

Looking at the video, none of the fans were obviously leaning into the field of play. But, it sure looked like the player was leaning into the stands. Doubt should side with the hitter. Dinger.
 
radioman said:
Agreed.



Not so clear. Betts made his leap and didn't appear to impact the wall until after his leap.
Therefore, one could reasonably conclude that Mookie's glove was still on the field of play when this incident occurred.
Definitely a close judgement call. Maybe wrong, maybe right.



Replay didn't show enough to overturn the call.
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Once again, if the fan did interfere, by the rules, that fan that interfered should have been ejected from the game.

Why was he allowed to stay?
 
calamity said:
I don't like seeing overturned calls, even wrong ones. If we use replay, let's just ref/ump/officiate with bots. But, putting that aside, this looked like it should have just been called a dinger.

Looking at the video, none of the fans were obviously leaning into the field of play. But, it sure looked like the player was leaning into the stands. Doubt should side with the hitter. Dinger.
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If the fan in interfering, then MLB should close that area because it would be nearly impossible for a fan sitting there not to interfere if the ball is hit in that area.

Does radio advocate fans moving out of the way?
 
radioman said:
Not so clear. Betts made his leap and didn't appear to impact the wall until after his leap.
Therefore, one could reasonably conclude that Mookie's glove was still on the field of play when this incident occurred.
Definitely a close judgement call. Maybe wrong, maybe right. Replay didn't show enough to overturn the call.
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His arm was clearly angled back beyond the wall. Replay should have been enough to overturn the call -- the side view is pretty clear.

I absolutely can see how the umpire couldn't see the side view from where he was. But then, he shouldn't have called the interference if he couldn't see it. From the replay, it should have been clear.
 
That was my thought as well. Along the foul lines, it's not as much of an issue. But home runs should be very clear. The wall should be a few feet higher, or have a second fence.
 
dcsports said:
His arm was clearly angled back beyond the wall. Replay should have been enough to overturn the call -- the side view is pretty clear.

I absolutely can see how the umpire couldn't see the side view from where he was. But then, he shouldn't have called the interference if he couldn't see it. From the replay, it should have been clear.
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I am not sure what angel people are watching that support the fan interference call. The ball clearly was a home run.

It is not even a debate imo.

Clear difference from this compared to steve bartman
 
calamity said:
I don't like seeing overturned calls, even wrong ones. If we use replay, let's just ref/ump/officiate with bots. But, putting that aside, this looked like it should have just been called a dinger.

Looking at the video, none of the fans were obviously leaning into the field of play. But, it sure looked like the player was leaning into the stands. Doubt should side with the hitter. Dinger.
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The 1 fan on the right was leaning onto the field. He was bracing himself with 1 hand and leaning over with the other.

Even looking at the replay it wasn't 100% sure either way. And again I am NO fan of Joe West or any of the Umps. I've been here blasting the Umps many times the past few years. But in this case seeing that 1 fan leaning over the fence I can see how the Umps on the field would think there was interference.

Many stadiums have a row of flowers or something between the fans and the fence.. Houston should think of doing the same.
 
calamity said:
I don't like seeing overturned calls, even wrong ones. If we use replay, let's just ref/ump/officiate with bots. But, putting that aside, this looked like it should have just been called a dinger.

Looking at the video, none of the fans were obviously leaning into the field of play. But, it sure looked like the player was leaning into the stands. Doubt should side with the hitter. Dinger.
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I'm with you. The challenge here is that the umpire can't see from the side. He shouldn't be calling interference he can't clearly see.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
The 1 fan on the right was leaning onto the field. He was bracing himself with 1 hand and leaning over with the other.

Even looking at the replay it wasn't 100% sure either way. And again I am NO fan of Joe West or any of the Umps. I've been here blasting the Umps many times the past few years. But in this case seeing that 1 fan leaning over the fence I can see how the Umps on the field would think there was interference.

Many stadiums have a row of flowers or something between the fans and the fence.. Houston should think of doing the same.
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I think you are talking about the guy in the gray shirt, who is leaning sideways. He wasn't involved in the 'interference' (and to me looks like he's parallel to the wall).

The guy involved is keeping his hands close to his chest, and the player is clearly over the wall.

I absolutely agree there should be more of a physical barrier there. It's kind of strange that the whole outfield wall is too high for someone to jump over, except for this little section. The 'old' stadium (15 years at this point) had a second fence, crating a gap between the rail and the outfield.
 
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dcsports said:
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I think you are talking about the guy in the gray shirt, who is leaning sideways. He wasn't involved in the 'interference' (and to me looks like he's parallel to the wall).

The guy involved is keeping his hands close to his chest, and the player is clearly over the wall.

I absolutely agree there should be more of a physical barrier there. It's kind of strange that the whole outfield wall is too high for someone to jump over, except for this little section. The 'old' stadium (15 years at this point) had a second fence, crating a gap between the rail and the outfield.
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I think he was involved because IMO his hand pushes into the other fans hands towards the glove which causes Betts glove to close.. Which is why the catch wasn't made. Looking closely the guy in the grey shirt hand was further out into the field of play than the other guys.

I'm just saying from the field it would be impossible to tell 1 way or the other. Because I 'think' the Umps probably saw that guy leaning forward. I've seen it in Slo Mo replay a dozen times and I'm not sure one way or the other, so I can understand how the Umps call interference and how NY let it stand.
 
TobyOne said:
Dodgers aren't even playing that well and they still gnaw at the underbelly of the Brewers vaunted bullpen. You need to knock out a champion not just beat them, sissy boys. Brewers want to whine them to death.
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Kershaw pitched well.

It is a shame he is doing this while on the decline because of his back.

Part of it can be blamed on dodgers management. Imo they overused him. You can't expect him to go 7+ innings every game without consequence.
 
Bucky said:
If the fan in interfering, then MLB should close that area because it would be nearly impossible for a fan sitting there not to interfere if the ball is hit in that area.

Does radio advocate fans moving out of the way?
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That is a tough one.

From a fan viewpoint it is a natural response to put your hand up at a flying baseball coming at you. It is a fine line between trying to catch yourself a souvenir or trying to protect yourself and others because in both cases you try to catch it bare handed.


From a player's viewpoint if you are that athletic skilled and catch it then it should be an out.


Perhaps in the future they will have to install cameras and rule out any ball passing the edge of the fence.
 
Crosscheck said:
That is a tough one.

From a fan viewpoint it is a natural response to put your hand up at a flying baseball coming at you. It is a fine line between trying to catch yourself a souvenir or trying to protect yourself and others because in both cases you try to catch it bare handed.


From a player's viewpoint if you are that athletic skilled and catch it then it should be an out.


Perhaps in the future they will have to install cameras and rule out any ball passing the edge of the fence.
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The ump had the best view. And, when you look at all the replays, there are a lot of hands around the outfielder's glove. So, I can see why he made that call. But, it sure looked like it was in the seats to me.
 
dcsports said:
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I think you are talking about the guy in the gray shirt, who is leaning sideways. He wasn't involved in the 'interference' (and to me looks like he's parallel to the wall).

The guy involved is keeping his hands close to his chest, and the player is clearly over the wall.

I absolutely agree there should be more of a physical barrier there. It's kind of strange that the whole outfield wall is too high for someone to jump over, except for this little section. The 'old' stadium (15 years at this point) had a second fence, crating a gap between the rail and the outfield.
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Wow! Nice shot.

It also shows that he missed the ball. He was a split second too late.
 
Look at those old white ****s in the cheap seats. Embarrassing. Lol @ Houston.


calamity said:
The ump had the best view. And, when you look at all the replays, there are a lot of hands around the outfielder's glove. So, I can see why he made that call. But, it sure looked like it was in the seats to me.
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Boston finally looks like the team that won 108 games. Dodgers better get ready for a good old fashioned ass kicking.
 
I will ****ing fly to Boston to see the Dodgers vs Red Sox in the WS. Well maybe, not sure.

Go BoSox!


calamity said:
Boston finally looks like the team that won 108 games. Dodgers better get ready for a good old fashioned ass kicking.
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TobyOne said:
I will ****ing fly to Boston to see the Dodgers vs Red Sox in the WS. Well maybe, not sure.

Go BoSox!
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Great place to see a game. And, seeing a WS game there would be off the charts.
 
Crosscheck said:
Perhaps in the future they will have to install cameras and rule out any ball passing the edge of the fence.
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Better make those cameras overhead cams......

https://www.12up.com/posts/6199335-...-tv-cameras-to-controvesial-interference-call

From the story....

"TBS switched over to a camera view that would have been absolutely telling, but that turned out to be blocked by a stadium security guard along the wall."


This picture of the play from the security cam.....

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