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Texas is now in a World of Hurt

RabidAlpaca said:
Perhaps taking it seriously from the beginning and acting swiftly instead of pretending it isn't real for months. Most of the countries who did that are already back to work and have had much less economic damage and deaths than the US.

There's still 1/3rd of the country that believes the virus is a liberal conspiracy to make Trump look bad and that masks hurt more than they help. :roll:
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The thing is that the virus doesn't give a hoot what they say and is just going to do what it does. Spread like wildfire, fill our ICU's to capacity and kill 1.4% of everyone that gets it. They also claim Cuomo screwed up and look at their new case rate today.

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Tahuyaman said:
So. You’re one of these nit-wits who believes Trump is intentionally killing people?
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That's twice now you dodged addressing the facts laid on the table. Why?

You do realize that ignoring facts and calling those who point them out to you nit-wits only makes you look bad. Right?
 
calamity said:
That's twice now you dodged addressing the facts laid on the table. Why?

You do realize that ignoring facts and calling those who point them out to you nit-wits only makes you look bad. Right?
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What facts? Only a moron will try to claim Trump is intentionally killing people

Did governor Cuomo intentionally kill people when he put infected people into nursing homes ?
 
Obama was not able to stop 24 million people getting the flu in 2015.
 
Mugahigh said:
Only a moron would listen to leftist propoganda..
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The use of “leftist” in an argument isn’t exactly a sign of intelligence.
 
When someone says "Trump is intentionally killing people", that person can not be engaged in a rational discussion.
 
snakestretcher said:
What cure? There won't be a cure; we can't even 'cure' seasonal flu. There might be a vaccine this year-if we're lucky-and we have no idea if long-term immunity will be conferred, if at all. I do admire your optimism though.
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Why, thank you!
 
year2late said:
One of the President's most important duties in this pandemic was assuring consistent cohesive messaging. Pandemic Playbook 101.

He trivialized the virus....he contradicted experts on too many occasions and let us not forget the snake oil salesman crap.

He turned it into an us against them with his base.

He was a piss poor example.

I do not blame Trump for Covid. But I do blame him for failing to take real leadership when it was most important.
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There is a vague and undefined hate for the President that I feel is engendered by the propagandists in our media.

It goes along the same lines as racial bias and hate for enemies in time of war. Bias confirmation is one of the tools.

The President is not a gifted word crafter. Churchill's words were like poetic symphonies of hope and resolution relaying aspiration with inspiration. Churchill was British. The President is American.

The Covid response is being run locally in each state by each governor. The President has promised them support. Experts working at the national level have said that the president has given them EVERYTHING they have asked for.

No Governor has been denied anything they asked for. Progress is being made on the vaccine and the therapies and the Regulatory Red Tape that would have slowed this down has been burnt away by the President.

Perhaps your dad was a Churchillean communicator. My dad was more like the President. The great thing about him was that if you asked his opinion, you got an answer. Sometimes that answer was disturbing.

I prefer a straight answer that reveals the actual situation. I also like a little humor and hope. I also prefer the strongest possible effort to correct what ails me. This President has provided all of these. So did my dad.
 
MTAtech said:
That's another Trump lie. The U.S. does not do the best job at testing. European countries do far more testing per capita and they don't wait a week or more to get results.
Moreover, medical experts say that Trump's claim that more testing means more deaths is just plain loony. The deaths will happen regardless of testing.
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Can you please post the link and pull quote that demonstrates that what you have posted to not be a bold faced LIE?

The US policy of paying hospitals a bonus when they admit a Covid patient is likely what is driving the high Covid death rate.

If you have been to a hospital recently, you know that there is not charge too small and no fee too big to be claimed by our healthcare system. ;)

Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death
 
code1211 said:
Can you please post the link and pull quote that demonstrates that what you have posted to not be a bold faced LIE?

The US policy of paying hospitals a bonus when they admit a Covid patient is likely what is driving the high Covid death rate.

If you have been to a hospital recently, you know that there is not charge too small and no fee too big to be claimed by our healthcare system. ;)

Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death
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calamity said:
I'm just amazed at how stupid people can be, especially when they demonstrate it so effectively.
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As I said.
 
code1211 said:
Can you please post the link and pull quote that demonstrates that what you have posted to not be a bold faced LIE?

The US policy of paying hospitals a bonus when they admit a Covid patient is likely what is driving the high Covid death rate.

If you have been to a hospital recently, you know that there is not charge too small and no fee too big to be claimed by our healthcare system. ;)

Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death
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BS.
The motorcycle accident claim has already been debunked, it was not list as a virus death, just that he tested positive. Stop repeating lies.
 
Casper said:
BS.
The motorcycle accident claim has already been debunked, it was not list as a virus death, just that he tested positive. Stop repeating lies.
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Oh, I'm sure he believes it.
 
code1211 said:
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Can you please post the link and pull quote that demonstrates that what you have posted to not be a bold faced LIE?
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Testing - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data
The idea that more testing means more confirmed cases is B.S. I heard an expert yesterday state that in the U.S., every 13th test is positive. In Germany, it's every 250th case.

The US policy of paying hospitals a bonus when they admit a Covid patient is likely what is driving the high Covid death rate.
Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting.

If you have been to a hospital recently, you know that there is not charge too small and no fee too big to be claimed by our healthcare system. ;)
That's been true for a long time. What's your point?
 
Casper said:
BS.
The motorcycle accident claim has already been debunked, it was not list as a virus death, just that he tested positive. Stop repeating lies.
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The Big Lie, Republicans and especially Trumpsters live by the 'Big Lie'..

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
The Big Lie, Republicans and especially Trumpsters live by the 'Big Lie'..
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The problem is they tell big lies then promptly believe their own lie, kinda sad when you think about it.
 
Casper said:
The problem is they tell big lies then promptly believe their own lie, kinda sad when you think about it.
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Kinda?

Like someone said over the weekend, in the near future, the go-to insult will be: "Two-time Trump voter, werncha?"
 
code1211 said:
There is a vague and undefined hate for the President that I feel is engendered by the propagandists in our media.

It goes along the same lines as racial bias and hate for enemies in time of war. Bias confirmation is one of the tools.

The President is not a gifted word crafter. Churchill's words were like poetic symphonies of hope and resolution relaying aspiration with inspiration. Churchill was British. The President is American.

The Covid response is being run locally in each state by each governor. The President has promised them support. Experts working at the national level have said that the president has given them EVERYTHING they have asked for.

No Governor has been denied anything they asked for. Progress is being made on the vaccine and the therapies and the Regulatory Red Tape that would have slowed this down has been burnt away by the President.

Perhaps your dad was a Churchillean communicator. My dad was more like the President. The great thing about him was that if you asked his opinion, you got an answer. Sometimes that answer was disturbing.

I prefer a straight answer that reveals the actual situation. I also like a little humor and hope. I also prefer the strongest possible effort to correct what ails me. This President has provided all of these. So did my dad.
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All I need to point out is Oklahoma was starting a surge before his Tulsa Rally. The fact that the now infected Governor Stitt of Oklahoma was happy to have the rally speaks to the total top down leader ship that we have.

The rally was in a state with with increases in cases . It was irresponsible of him to have a large indoor event with no social distancing and no masks required . Lack of leadership. How are people who are on the fence of what is responsible behavior....to take the whole mask and social distancing thing seriously when our own POTUS trivializes it by his actions?

We need leadership. A leader that cared about his own citizens does not hold a indoor event with no social distancing and no masked requirements. Instead, we get a snake oil salesman that has repeatedly lied about this pandemic and put his experts in a bad position with contradicting their science #firefauci
 
calamity said:
I'm just amazed at how stupid people can be, especially when they demonstrate it so effectively.
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Being amazed is a wonderful state of being to experience.

“Enlightenment is simply the moment you realize how amazing it is to be alive.”
― Marty Rubin
 
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