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Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to U.S. gun silencer law

TurtleDude said:
lets do some thinking--if someone is planning to murder lots of people-which is a death sentence in almost every case or at least LWOP-how is a stupid magazine ban going to stop them. And your stupid claim that I oppose restrictions because there is a "god given right" to murder people proves your argument is specious and your motivations are nothing more than a cultural loathing of those who support gun rights.
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Nope... I've got a cultural loathing of mass slaughter. There's no reason why we need to have a 50-round+ drum magazines for handguns. I can't even see the sense of such a thing unless I wanted to cull a room full of people.

I appreciate that people have a right to defend themselves... and you know what? That's what handguns were designed to do... that's why their grips are designed the way they are - to balance an appropriate ammunition load without unduly adding to the weight of the gun. Anything extending beyond the end of the grip is an optional accessory.
 
Fledermaus said:
A car is good for mowing down people. A truck is better. A light plane is even better....

Ban them too?
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I'm not talking about banning guns... just some of the accessories. I don't think cars should be kitted out with Mad Max-style impaling spikes either.
 
Cordelier said:
I'm not talking about banning guns... just some of the accessories. I don't think cars should be kitted out with Mad Max-style impaling spikes either.
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How about turbochargers, superchargers, wings, etc. Truck lift kits. Suspension mods. Cow catcher bumpers. They all potentially make the vehicle more of a threat.
 
Cordelier said:
Nope... I've got a cultural loathing of mass slaughter. There's no reason why we need to have a 50-round+ drum magazines for handguns. I can't even see the sense of such a thing unless I wanted to cull a room full of people.

I appreciate that people have a right to defend themselves... and you know what? That's what handguns were designed to do... that's why their grips are designed the way they are - to balance an appropriate ammunition load without unduly adding to the weight of the gun. Anything extending beyond the end of the grip is an optional accessory.
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we aren't talking about 50 round drum magazines-items that have been used in HOW many shootings. Your arguments show you are about harassing honest gun owners and you ignore obvious reality-people planning mass murder are not going to be impeded-in the least-by stupid magazine bans. You already are on record claiming 15 round magazines are to perpetrate the "god given right to mow down lots of people" meaning I have serious doubts about your new found argument that you only want to ban 50 round magazines. Where did the federal government get the proper power to ban those things and tell us why it will stop criminals
 
ecofarm said:
There's one airborne division in the US. The 101st is air assault, helicopters only.

We receive training in parachuting, of course. We spend more time in the field than any other division. Our training is extensive and various. We are elite infantry.

I've fired thousands of rounds through 50s, Mk19s, Saws and the rest. I've fired LAW rockets and Tow missiles. I've jumped in a moonless night with fog so thick I couldn't see my hand in front of my face when I left the bird.


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We train Euro paras. Not the other way around.
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As I said, I do not try to compare professionals with civilians who by the law should serve in the army. You get what you pay for and a professional army is certainly better in quality than an army of conscripts . Of course, even though in Greece it was mandatory for every male to serve in the army, it was still a necessity to volunteer to serve in my unit and survive the qualification process. And although it is true that the US paras would be better trained in general and transfer knowledge to professional Greeks who in turn wold update the training of the Greek conscripts, in new techniques, it is also true that as a unit we did certain things which went beyond the training of the US airborne forces. I do not think that the US airborne forces have a 50K (this is about 30 miles) long forced march with 80 to 100 pounds of load to be accomplished on time. From what I recall, such things were more linked with the training of US special forces and the Marines (and for the latter only for those who were infantry and had more challenging long march requirements).
 
pamak said:
I do not think that the US airborne forces have a 50K (this is about 30 miles) long forced march with 80 to 100 pounds of load to be accomplished on time. From what I recall, such things were more linked with the training of US special forces and the Marines (and for the latter only for those who were infantry and had more challenging long march requirements).
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What a joke. We walk all night with everything we got. 30 miles ain't ****.

In fact, we have a 30 mile road march to graduate infantry school. That's before jump school. And that's before real training.
 
Cordelier said:
Nope... I've got a cultural loathing of mass slaughter. There's no reason why we need to have a 50-round+ drum magazines for handguns. I can't even see the sense of such a thing unless I wanted to cull a room full of people.

I appreciate that people have a right to defend themselves... and you know what? That's what handguns were designed to do... that's why their grips are designed the way they are - to balance an appropriate ammunition load without unduly adding to the weight of the gun. Anything extending beyond the end of the grip is an optional accessory.
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I have to admit I laugh at Hollywood when they kit out the hero or the bad guy with 100 round drums for their M16 or the extended magazines for the pistols.

They are far more likely to jam and tend to unbalance the weapon. IIRC the Aurora theater shooter had a mega magazine that jammed.

The only magazines I have are stock for the Ruger 10-22 and the original for a 1934 Beretta.
 
TurtleDude said:
we aren't talking about 50 round drum magazines-items that have been used in HOW many shootings. Your arguments show you are about harassing honest gun owners and you ignore obvious reality-people planning mass murder are not going to be impeded-in the least-by stupid magazine bans. You already are on record claiming 15 round magazines are to perpetrate the "god given right to mow down lots of people" meaning I have serious doubts about your new found argument that you only want to ban 50 round magazines. Where did the federal government get the proper power to ban those things and tell us why it will stop criminals
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Ban the manufacture of drum magazines and how much do you figure the price for them goes up? I'm not saying it's a perfect solution... but that's no reason why we ought to make it easy for people planning to do ill with them either, is it?
 
ecofarm said:
What a joke. We walk all night with everything we got. 30 miles ain't ****.

In fact, we have a 30 mile road march to graduate infantry school. That's before jump school.
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I did not say walk!

A forced march is not a walk!

And the different loads is also an issue.

I do not believe that you had stricter requirements than the US Infantry Marines regarding forced marches., but I will not try here to argue about such things.
 
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Cordelier said:
Ban the manufacture of drum magazines and how much do you figure the price for them goes up? I'm not saying it's a perfect solution... but that's no reason why we ought to make it easy for people planning to do ill with them either, is it?
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Using that silly logic would allow you to argue in favor of banning any magazine fed firearm-which I suspect you support. The fact is-you are merely speculating given I cannot think of a single massacre where someone used a 50 round magazine in a pistol. It is bad enough when gun banners use one case (bumpstock) to demand thousands give up property they never used illegally, bu it is even worse when you want to ban something based on speculation
 
pamak said:
I did not say walk!

A forced march is not a walk!

I do not believe that you had stricter requirements than the US Infantry Marines regarding forced marches.
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"Forced march", "road march", whatever. Those terms might impress civilians.

30 miles ain't ****. We'd do that after a night jump and set a morning ambush.

Graduating infantry school requires a 30 miles. And those aren't even soldiers yet.


The 82nd is more elite than standard marines. They're legs. Marine recon maybe.
 
Fledermaus said:
I have to admit I laugh at Hollywood when they kit out the hero or the bad guy with 100 round drums for their M16 or the extended magazines for the pistols.

They are far more likely to jam and tend to unbalance the weapon. IIRC the Aurora theater shooter had a mega magazine that jammed.

The only magazines I have are stock for the Ruger 10-22 and the original for a 1934 Beretta.
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Aurora clown-boy still got 65 of the 100 rounds off before it jammed, though.

Exactly... the only mag-fed handgun I own is my Lugar - and I've never felt the need for more than the 8 her magazine holds. I was always more a revolver guy anyway.
 
Fledermaus said:
I have to admit I laugh at Hollywood when they kit out the hero or the bad guy with 100 round drums for their M16 or the extended magazines for the pistols.

They are far more likely to jam and tend to unbalance the weapon. IIRC the Aurora theater shooter had a mega magazine that jammed.

The only magazines I have are stock for the Ruger 10-22 and the original for a 1934 Beretta.
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The 150 dollar surefire 60 round mags for AR 15s work pretty well-several 3G pros I know use them
 
Cordelier said:
Aurora clown-boy still got 65 of the 100 rounds off before it jammed, though.

Exactly... the only mag-fed handgun I own is my Lugar - and I've never felt the need for more than the 8 her magazine holds. I was always more a revolver guy anyway.
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That's great-and God hope you never need more than 8 rounds because the mag release on those Lugers isn't exactly Jerry Barnhart level reload speed. But don't pretend that 8 rounds is all anyone needs in every possible situation.
 
Cordelier said:
Aurora clown-boy still got 65 of the 100 rounds off before it jammed, though.

Exactly... the only mag-fed handgun I own is my Lugar - and I've never felt the need for more than the 8 her magazine holds. I was always more a revolver guy anyway.
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What if the attacker also has training and it becomes an extended engagement?
 
ecofarm said:
What a joke. We walk all night with everything we got. 30 miles ain't ****.

In fact, we have a 30 mile road march to graduate infantry school. That's before jump school. And that's before real training.
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In the 1950s to 1960s the Marines of Camp Pendleton would occasionally be bussed to 29 Palms and then march back.

137 miles.

Some joked that it was to open up promotions at the top because some of the older guys didn't make it.

As late as 1996 they did a 100 mile March. It seems all the paperwork required is preventing it from happening again. They had to file environmental impact statements, etc.
 
ecofarm said:
"Forced march", "road march", whatever. Those terms might impress civilians.

30 miles ain't ****. We'd do that after a night jump and set a morning ambush.

Graduating infantry school requires a 30 miles. And those aren't even soldiers yet.


The 82nd is more elite than standard marines. They're legs. Marine recon maybe.
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I used to do the 50 mile Hoefenfels "Hole in Hell" - best time was 13:40.
 
Cordelier said:
I used to do the 50 mile Hoefenfels "Hole in Hell" - best time was 13:40.
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Is that a Stuttgart thing? I heard about some stuff over in Germany.

I don't recall 50 miles myself. Not at once.
 
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