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Subjective Poll - Alice In Chains vs. Mountain

IMHO the better band is


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you're pretending you are right and have nothing to back it up. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. AIC wasn't even the best band in the grunge movement.

Your opinion on the greatness of Pappalardi is the immediate topic here.

Your opinion on the greatness of Mountain is the larger topic.

Both of your opinions are dead-nuts biased and I've proven you to be wrong numerous ways.

To suggest Pappalardi is at, or near the top of any rational list regarding "greatest rock bass players" is laughable nonsense.
 
IMHO no. He got the job done but there were/are plenty of guys out there with better technique and feel. To pick three contemporaries, Jack Bruce, Berry Oakley and Carl Radle were all better - again IMO And that doesn't even to touch on guys with real technical mastery of the instrument like Jamerson, Dunn - both of whom could groove the **** out of a tune, Tony Levin or pretty much most professional jazz bassists.


FWIW, I like Mountain. I've been in bands that covered both Mississippi Queen and Theme from an Imaginary Western so I've played some of Pappilardi's bass lines. Like I said they get the job done and work in the Rock context but they're not ground breaking.

JB said FP was one of the best ever. I believe another great underrated bassist-Noel Redding, Said the same thing. Clapton said FP was one of the best. A guy I know who has a couple pretty well regarded twin sons as guitarists is a big fan of FP too. I bet you know the twins I am talking of
 
Your opinion on the greatness of Pappalardi is the immediate topic here.

Your opinion on the greatness of Mountain is the larger topic.

Both of your opinions are dead-nuts biased and I've proven you to be wrong numerous ways.

To suggest Pappalardi is at, or near the top of any rational list regarding "greatest rock bass players" is laughable nonsense.

1) your hostility towards me is unfounded and pathetic.

2) you seem triggered by this topic and are taking it way too personally

3) lots of those lists are idiotic. DO YOU Really believe that the sex pistols album was really the second greatest rock record in history? that is where Rolling Stones ranked it when that list came out back in the 80s. It was ahead of things like London Calling, LZ IV, Purple Rain, Thriller, Blood on the Tracks, The White Album, Eat a Peach, Surrealistic Pillow, Blind Faith, Derek and the Dominoes, Are You Experienced, etc.
 
true-Lady Gaga has sold a ton more records than Sandy Denny, Annie Haslam and Maddy Prior combined. all three of those latter singers had 5+ Octave ranges. But their music didn't appeal to the masses. I recall the "Archies" beating out CCR for record of the year back when I was in grade school.

Well, Sugar Sugar was pretty catchy.

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a good point and most of the polls where one band is more current with most voters will generally win-at that point in time. 100 years from now, I suspect things might be different. Some of my son's friends really will tell you that "Green Day" is more talented and full of better musicians than Led Zeppelin or the Beatles.

older generations have been dismissing newer music since music was hitting two rocks together, most likely. ****, even i'm experiencing it a bit, and i'm only 42. good music is what is good music to the listener. it can be difficult to quantitate objectively.
 
yeah far better guitar work than Born on the Bayou!!

Irony and proof that we as a country are nuts.

BTW, did you know the Monkeys sold more records than the Beatles and Stones combined?
 
1) your hostility towards me is unfounded and pathetic.

2) you seem triggered by this topic and are taking it way too personally

3) lots of those lists are idiotic. DO YOU Really believe that the sex pistols album was really the second greatest rock record in history? that is where Rolling Stones ranked it when that list came out back in the 80s. It was ahead of things like London Calling, LZ IV, Purple Rain, Thriller, Blood on the Tracks, The White Album, Eat a Peach, Surrealistic Pillow, Blind Faith, Derek and the Dominoes, Are You Experienced, etc.

There's no "hostility". :roll:

You're just dead wrong.

It's actually quite funny.

Made even better by your stubbornness to keep insisting you're correct.
 
There's no "hostility". :roll:

You're just dead wrong.

It's actually quite funny.

Made even better by your stubbornness to keep insisting you're correct.

why don't you tell me how you can factually make such a claim? I understand your frantic desire to be "right" but sorry you are flailing in fail here
 
Irony and proof that we as a country are nuts.

BTW, did you know the Monkeys sold more records than the Beatles and Stones combined?

I did not know that but I do know that the one guy with musical talent in that group-Mike Nesmith, was already a multi millionaire since his Mother invented "White Out' or Liquid Paper (you know the stuff you see on your computer screen when a blond secretary is using it to type a letter)
 
why don't you tell me how you can factually make such a claim?

Geddy Lee
John Entwistle
Chris Squire
Stanley Clarke
Jaco Pastorius
John Paul Jones
Paul McCartney
Les Claypool
Victor Wooten
Stuart Hamm
Phil Lynott
Flea
Sting
Bootsy Collins
Steve Harris
Jack Bruce
Billie Sheehan
John Myung
Tony Levin
Roger Waters
Marcus Miller

I mean...shall I go on?
 
Geddy Lee
John Entwistle
Chris Squire
Stanley Clarke
Jaco Pastorius
John Paul Jones
Paul McCartney
Les Claypool
Victor Wooten
Stuart Hamm
Phil Lynott
Flea
Sting
Bootsy Collins
Steve Harris
Jack Bruce
Billie Sheehan
John Myung
Tony Levin
Roger Waters
Marcus Miller

I mean...shall I go on?

and where is your PROOF. Jack Bruce is among the best on there. He said FP was one of the best. So did several others on that list. BTW WTH is Greg Lake on your List
 
JB said FP was one of the best ever. I believe another great underrated bassist-Noel Redding, Said the same thing. Clapton said FP was one of the best. A guy I know who has a couple pretty well regarded twin sons as guitarists is a big fan of FP too. I bet you know the twins I am talking of

I'm not going to argue with Jack Bruce. :)

I like Redding as a bassist and agree he's underrated.

One of the problems with these polls in general and especially when you talk about bassists is that there's technical mastery and then there's using those skills to actually serve the song instead of just employing your chops for the purpose of wankery. A lot of times for a bassist all it takes is a couple of carefully selected notes played at exactly the right time. The instrument has one foot in the rhythm world and one in the melody world so when you play is sometimes more important than what you play ** Keith Richard is master of playing rhythmically. He doesn't play a lot of notes but he puts them in all the right places and often on offbeats unlike many rock bassists who play everything right on the beat.

I'm completely at a loss as to who you're talking about. The only twins I can think of are the Nelson brothers. I first thought Johnny and Edgar Winter but then remembered that they aren't twins.


** There's a cool story about Miles Davis asking the new members of his band what instrument they play. When each answered with whatever instrument they were hired to play Miles allegedly told them "No you are a drummer." That may be overstating it a little but Miles point is well taken. You can play Happy Birthday and miss a bunch of notes and it'll still be recognizable as Happy Birthday. Mess up the rhythm even a little and all bets are off.
 
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AIC for pretty much same reasons you already listed.
 
I'm not going to argue with Jack Bruce. :)

I like Redding as a bassist and agree he's underrated.

One of the problems with these polls in general and especially when you talk about bassists is that there's technical mastery and then there's using those skills to actually serve the song instead of just employing your chops for the purpose of wankery. A lot of times for a bassist all it takes is a couple of carefully selected notes played at exactly the right time. The instrument has one foot in the rhythm world and one in the melody world so when you play is sometimes more important than what you play ** Keith Richard is master of playing rhythmically. He doesn't play a lot of notes but he puts them in all the right places and often on offbeats unlike many rock bassists who play everything right on the beat.

I'm completely at a loss as to who you're talking about. The only twins I can think of are the Nelson brothers. I first thought Johnny and Edgar Winter but then remembered that they aren't twins.


** There's a cool story about Miles Davis asking the new members of his band what instrument they play. When each answered with whatever instrument they were hired to play Miles allegedly told them "No you are a drummer." That may be overstating it a little but Miles point is well taken. You can play Happy Birthday and miss a bunch of notes and it'll still be recognizable as Happy Birthday. Mess up the rhythm even a little and all bets are off.

great post. Aaron and Bryce Dessner. I play tennis with their dad.
 
great post. Aaron and Bryce Dessner. I play tennis with their dad.

Cool. Not really familiar with either but read their bios on Wikipedia. Both sound very talented. I'll pick up some of their work and give them a listen.

And for the record I meant Bill Wyman and not Keith Richards though Keith plays bass in the studio on several Stone's tunes. Not sure which except for Sympathy for the Devil and that one I only know because I've seen video of the Stones recording the tune.
 
Cool. Not really familiar with either but read their bios on Wikipedia. Both sound very talented. I'll pick up some of their work and give them a listen.

And for the record I meant Bill Wyman and not Keith Richards though Keith plays bass in the studio on several Stone's tunes. Not sure which except for Sympathy for the Devil and that one I only know because I've seen video of the Stones recording the tune.

 
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