Special counsel Robert Mueller to make statement Wednesday on the Russia probe, his first public com

[Cordelier]

The election interference was self inflicted by Hillary Campaign ....Podesta gave over email password and unleashed campaign treasure trove of dirty tricks and helped sink Hillary from within. Bernie was mistreated by DNC etc

all self inflicted and yet Russia is getting the credit/blame.

Russia became boogeyman. coming soon Durham indictments. might even get early treat if Dems start impeachment. I'm guessing Barr might even approach Pelosi and give her a heads up on future indictments so she can make informed decision on going forward with impeachment

So you disagree with Mueller's closing statement from earlier today?

 

[danarhea]

So when his overall message agrees with Barr will Democrats let it die?

It didn't and, of course, they won't.

 

[Cougarbear]

And how does one go about settling that proof? A court trial usually, but DOJ isn't allowed to charge a sitting president, apparently. The only avenue is impeachment, or more congressional investigations. So let's get the process underway and prove that innocence or guilt:

‘If We Had Confidence That the President Did Not Commit a Crime, We Would Have Said So’

But you don't just walk away from evidence and leave it sitting there. The investigation is over, it's time to impeach. That will clear the dust.

If the president is innocent, he has nothing to fear and nothing to hide. Hell even if he's guilty of something, it didn't cost Clinton his presidency. So let's air it out.

But what we don't need is 'proof' just to start a proceeding. Proof comes at the end. What is needed to start is evidence and there is plenty of that.

So, what was the 22 month investigation for then? Nadler and his band of thieves has all the evidence. After all that, and Mueller still could not conclude Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, why more investigations? What I want to know is why Mueller didn't follow all leads about this case including why did all this start? It shouldn't be Barr doing the investigation into Clinton and the dirty dossier dreamed up by the Russians. Mueller should have done all that. Why didn't he? I and many others suspect Mueller knew 22 months ago there was no collusion and Trump was innocent. Why didn't Mueller go in the direction of investigating the dossier and the Clintons and Democrats? I think Mueller might want to find an attorney because I think Barr is going to find out that Mueller was also in on this witch hunt conspiracy. So, he's trying to fan the flames keeping this witch hunt nonsense going so that he won't be indicted for conspiracy against the Constitution and the Presidency of the United States. Heads are going to roll and it's going all the way up through Mueller to Obama.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Byron York
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What standard of evidence do you have to reach to declare that the president, or anyone else, for that matter, 'clearly did not commit a crime'?

Full transcript: Robert Mueller’s statement on the Russia investigation - POLITICO …

 

[Barnacle]

In the United States of America, when the lead investigator clearly states that he was not able to charge Trump for obstruction of justice because he's bound by OLC regulations and indicting a sitting president is unconstitutional for the special counsel to do, and when he left volume II as evidence of at least ten instances of obstruction of justice, then it's up the Congress to do their sworn duty and continue on with an impeachment trial. By doing so, they can compel witnesses to testify, they can obtain income tax records, they are allowed to gather any type of information or testimonies they see fit to procure. That's what a trial is. Yes, Trump is presumed innocent until proof of obstruction of justice can be established. Once it has, he'll be impeached.

BS.

If Mueller had sufficient evidence, he could have easily made a recommendation for prosecution.
His job was to find evidence and make a recommendation ... like Ken Star did.
"Ken Starr used the word guilty 11 times on 11 different counts in his report on President Clinton."


Mueller's comments are absolutely reprehensible: Former federal prosecutor

 

[Cordelier]

BS.

If Mueller had sufficient evidence, he could have easily made a recommendation for prosecution.
His job was to find evidence and make a recommendation ... like Ken Star did.
"Ken Starr used the word guilty 11 times on 11 different counts in his report on President Clinton."


Mueller's comments are absolutely reprehensible: Former federal prosecutor

Ken Starr was a partisan hack.

 

[Barnacle]

Ken Starr was a partisan hack.

Yeah, yeah ... I take it you didn't listen to the 7-minute video then ... :lamo

 

[Cougarbear]

Nope... in fact he specifically talked to that point. He would not..could not.. make any determination of whether the presidents guilt or innocence because he could not indict a sitting president.

He spoke of other means..which means Congressional impeachment.

Sir..you are completely wrong.

This is where you are getting lost. No matter what, because he the title of his position had changed since Ken Starr because of Nadler and the Democrats demand after Clinton's impeachment, Mueller couldn't indict the President. But, he could conclude that Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice if he had enough evidence. He could have stated that even thought he couldn't do anything about it. Nothing prevented him to write that in his report and nothing prohibits him now to say he has enough evidence that Barr could indict Trump. Or, that after Trump is out of office that he could be indicted. Yet, Mueller continues to not state factually that Trump committed any crime or crimes including obstruction of justice. The reason is actually clear based on Mueller's report in which Mueller, Rosenstein and Barr all concluded there isn't enough evidence of a crime. And, we know Rosenstein doesn't like Trump either. Was any of Mueller's investigation interfered with? No. Each of the 10 matters ended before Mueller was affected. None of the arguments Trump had with his administrators ever got to Mueller to obstruct. So, I ask you, what exactly got to Mueller and his investigation that interfered to the point of obstructing Mueller's investigation?

 

[Fenton]

Wow.... It's obvious from this response that you don't investigate anything yourself. You are content being told what to believe. These are all talking points of the right-wing media and at best half-truths.

The investigation into Trump began not because of a political hit job as apparently, you believe. It began because Papa D drunkenly bragged to the Australian ambassador that Trump was working with Russia

Papadopoulos brag to Australian diplomat was key factor in FBI'''s Russia probe: report

It is true that the Steele Dossier was used as evidence for the first FISA warrant. However, it wasn't the only piece of evidence. Another piece of evidence happened to be the above Papadopolus information.

Dossier Not What 'Started All of This' - FactCheck.org

You apparently believe that Trump was "fully cooperative" with the investigation. Fully cooperative would involve sitting for the requested questioning of the special counsel but Trump refused. Also, fully cooperative would indicate that Trump would have answered all the questions posed, but he didn't. Fully cooperative would also indicate that the Trump campaign wouldn't delete or hide evidence.

Also, isn't Trump using his executive privilege now to prevent the release of information and testimony of witnesses?

But back to the issue at hand. Are you ok with a future president acting exactly like Trump? Is that really the America you want to live in?

The FBIs first FISA application was filed against Carter Page, not Papadopoulos who wasn't interviewed by the FBI until January of 2017

Details of the FBIs investigation against Carter Page, not Papadopoulos were leaked to the media prior to the election.

U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin
U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin

Christopher Steele and his clients ( DNC ) objective was to make his oppo-research public prior to the election, and it was.

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump
A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump – Mother Jones

Ten days before the FBI filed it's first FISA warrant, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec forwarded notes taken of her meeting with Christopher Steele and her concerns to Special Agent Stephen Laycock, then the FBI's section chief for Eurasian counterintelligence.
KavelecSteeleMemoToFile10-11-16

So prior to filling their first FISA application, the FBI was aware of Steele's political motives, aware that he had been leaking to the press, and knew he and the DNC wanted his oppo-research made public before the election because they were WARNED.

So the initial investigation was obviously politically motivated and Papadopoulos's name didn't come up untill after the election in an attempt to shift attention away from the dossier.

 

[Cougarbear]

Nope, because, as Mueller already said, to make that statement without indicting Trump would not have allowed him to defend himself and clear his name in a proper trial.

That was in the report: volume 2, page 2.

Meaning there wasn't enough to indict Trump. Again, not one thing stated shows Trump interfered with Mueller and his investigation. You have to interfere before there can be obstruction. So, I ask again, what is that one thing Trump interfered with that would have obstructed or gotten in the way of Mueller doing his job? Just one thing, please?

 

[Cordelier]

Yeah, yeah ... I take it you didn't listen to the 7-minute video then ... :lamo

I watched his statement.... did you?

 

[mrdeltoid]

And how does one go about settling that proof? A court trial usually, but DOJ isn't allowed to charge a sitting president, apparently. The only avenue is impeachment, or more congressional investigations. So let's get the process underway and prove that innocence or guilt:

‘If We Had Confidence That the President Did Not Commit a Crime, We Would Have Said So’

But you don't just walk away from evidence and leave it sitting there. The investigation is over, it's time to impeach. That will clear the dust.

If the president is innocent, he has nothing to fear and nothing to hide. Hell even if he's guilty of something, it didn't cost Clinton his presidency. So let's air it out.

But what we don't need is 'proof' just to start a proceeding. Proof comes at the end. What is needed to start is evidence and there is plenty of that.

proof
/pro͞of/
noun
noun: proof; plural noun: proofs
1.
evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
"you will be asked to give proof of your identity"
synonyms:
evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation, certification, validation, attestation, demonstration, substantiation, witness, testament

Although proof and evidence are interchangeable, you are right about one thing though. This is all about the impeachment. That would be the best way for the democrats to keep the "Russia collusion" thing going up through 2020. That's the plan. It's the only thing any "candidate" in the "democrat clown car" has to run on. If they are lucky, this constant drum beat to impeachment will continue to tank the market.

 

[Lutherf]

So, what was the 22 month investigation for then? Nadler and his band of thieves has all the evidence. After all that, and Mueller still could not conclude Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, why more investigations? What I want to know is why Mueller didn't follow all leads about this case including why did all this start? It shouldn't be Barr doing the investigation into Clinton and the dirty dossier dreamed up by the Russians. Mueller should have done all that. Why didn't he? I and many others suspect Mueller knew 22 months ago there was no collusion and Trump was innocent. Why didn't Mueller go in the direction of investigating the dossier and the Clintons and Democrats? I think Mueller might want to find an attorney because I think Barr is going to find out that Mueller was also in on this witch hunt conspiracy. So, he's trying to fan the flames keeping this witch hunt nonsense going so that he won't be indicted for conspiracy against the Constitution and the Presidency of the United States. Heads are going to roll and it's going all the way up through Mueller to Obama.

Mueller was the result of the "resistance" throwing a fit. Trump's election was the result of Americans who were fed up with the establishment in DC and Mueller was the the result of that establishment saying to those Americans "You weren't invited and we don't want you here".

There will be a reckoning for this assault on the fundamental freedoms so many of us in this nation fight to preserve every day. It's only the nature of that reckoning that is to be decided.

 

[apdst]

Nobody said anything about your whim strawman. Even people in the sticks of Louisiana know the Constitutional basis of impeachment and trial.

Neither did Mueller say he could say Trump is not guilty of the matters investigated.

I sure do. The Constitution is very specific: bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

You are not correct that Russia wanted to hurt Hillary. In fact, they helped Hillary beat Sanders. And, with all the help Russia had given the Clinton's and Obama's over the decades, why would Putin help Trump? Trump was attacking Putin on the campaign trail as he is now. Trump has placed sanctions on Russia as well as bombed and killed Russians in Syria. Why would Putin help Trump? The real secret in the Mueller report is that Putin doesn't really care who is President. His goal as Mueller points out is to cause confusion and discontent in the United States between parties. Exactly what the Democrats are doing now. He wants us fighting against each other as Nadler and Pelosi are doing now. Had you actually read the report you would know this. But, you don't.

This reminds me of a Star Trek episode back in the 1960's where an entity was causing anger and more hatred between the Federation and the Klingons. They were fighting each other until Kirk figured it out. He got the Klingons to see what was happening. The cure to get rid of the entity was laughter and show friendliness. It worked. How did the writers know that decades later, the same entity was real and causing this much hatred and discontent with each other? Who will be the one that sees this today? A Republican or Democrat?

No, I'm quite correct, and the Mueller Report confirms that. Russia wanted to hurt Hillary. Full stop.

twump fawns over Putin, was reluctant and late to enforce and sanction on him and even changed the GOP platform to benefit Putin.

You haven't read the report. You really should refrain from trying to talk about it.

 

[Trump]

 

[Cardinal]

Meaning there wasn't enough to indict Trump.

No, meaning that since it's not possible to indict him due to DOJ policy, then it's unfair to accuse him of a crime since he's unable to clear his name in a court of law.

Volume 2, page 2.

 

[Fenton]

What do you say we finish the rest of that paragraph from the Mueller report? Shall we? I say we should because there is a big "But" there.

"But the evidence does indicate that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns."

Lol !! I was hoping someone would post that.

So a 2 year long Special Counsel investigation that was conducted by 19 lawyers, 40 FBI agents along with intelligence analysts, forensic accountants where 2,800 subpoenas were issue and 500 witnesses we're intervied wasn't thorough ?
That's not even counting the initial investigation prior to the election. You know, the one that was leaked to the media so details could be made public before the election

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump
A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump – Mother Jones

Is Mueller saying we need an ADDITIONAL FBI investigation ? But this one needs to be thorough ?

Lol !

 

[apdst]

So, what was the 22 month investigation for then? Nadler and his band of thieves has all the evidence. After all that, and Mueller still could not conclude Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice, why more investigations? What I want to know is why Mueller didn't follow all leads about this case including why did all this start? It shouldn't be Barr doing the investigation into Clinton and the dirty dossier dreamed up by the Russians. Mueller should have done all that. Why didn't he? I and many others suspect Mueller knew 22 months ago there was no collusion and Trump was innocent. Why didn't Mueller go in the direction of investigating the dossier and the Clintons and Democrats? I think Mueller might want to find an attorney because I think Barr is going to find out that Mueller was also in on this witch hunt conspiracy. So, he's trying to fan the flames keeping this witch hunt nonsense going so that he won't be indicted for conspiracy against the Constitution and the Presidency of the United States. Heads are going to roll and it's going all the way up through Mueller to Obama.

The resisters thought for sure that Mueller was going to hang Trump out to dry. That's why they kept saying "we'll accept what the Mueller report has to say". When it didn't say what they wanted it to say, they had to go to Plan B.

 

[Cougarbear]

Mueller was the result of the "resistance" throwing a fit. Trump's election was the result of Americans who were fed up with the establishment in DC and Mueller was the the result of that establishment saying to those Americans "You weren't invited and we don't want you here".

There will be a reckoning for this assault on the fundamental freedoms so many of us in this nation fight to preserve every day. It's only the nature of that reckoning that is to be decided.

Why wasn't Nadler and the bunch upset that Clinton lied to a Grand Jury? I don't know if we will ever elect a righteous President. Do we have to? I just want one that will follow though on his or her's campaign promises. So far, Trump has done everything he can to do just that. What he did before he became President I don't care about. Apparently Obama's white house wasn't so clean either. Report: New Obama White House Memoir Reveals Drinking, 'D*ck Jokes,' and Womanizing And, we know Obama's past history with drugs.

 

[Condor060]

In the United States of America, when the lead investigator clearly states that he was not able to charge Trump for obstruction of justice because he's bound by OLC regulations and indicting a sitting president is unconstitutional for the special counsel to do, and when he left volume II as evidence of at least ten instances of obstruction of justice, then it's up the Congress to do their sworn duty and continue on with an impeachment trial. By doing so, they can compel witnesses to testify, they can obtain income tax records, they are allowed to gather any type of information or testimonies they see fit to procure. That's what a trial is. Yes, Trump is presumed innocent until proof of obstruction of justice can be established. Once it has, he'll be impeached.

Yeah, we all heard that BS as well. If that were true then how did Ken Starr get 11 guilty verdicts on Clinton (while a sitting president) and get Clinton disbarred? Even with the 11 guilty verdicts the senate didn't convict Clinton.

It was Mullers job to make recommendations to the AG and the AGs job to determine how to proceed. Muller made no recommendations for charging Trump meaning he has no evidence to charge Trump. This is over

 

[HumblePi]

No they have been charged!! A jury would have to find them "guilty". There has been no trial as of yet!

There will never, ever- ever be a trial of Russian GRU agents. Not happening.

 

[HumblePi]

In each of the 10 instances, matters or whatever, Mueller never came to any conclusion their was obstruction of justice. Even if he has no ability to indict a President, he could have just stated that Trump obstructed justice and that it is his recommendation that the AG make the indictment. Not one of the instances, or as Comey would put it, matters did Mueller say Trump should be indicted. Even in his statement today, he said their was no crime of conspiracy and he again never said Trump had in his opinion commit obstruction of justice. In my opinion, it's Mueller who has now obstructed justice by inferring Trump is guilty before being proven innocent, which is not the way our system of justice works. I think Barr should charge Mueller with that crime and make Mueller put up or shut up.

By the way, the reason the law was changed that Mueller can't indict a President was because of Nadler's demands back during the Clinton impeachment and indictments with Ken Starr. So, why is Nadler and the Democrats so itchy to charge Trump now and change? Can you say "hypocrites?" I would. Nadler isn't concerned with what's best for the country. Not at all.

As he himself said but bears repeating, he was UNABLE to charge Trump of ANY crimes because he followed the guidelines of the OLC. To do so would be unconstitutional for an agent of the DOJ to do. What he DID say is that it's up to the Congress to make that decision.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with hypocrites. It has everything to do with your apparent inability to comprehend the law as spelled out clearly by Robert Mueller.

 

[Cougarbear]

No, I'm quite correct, and the Mueller Report confirms that. Russia wanted to hurt Hillary. Full stop.

twump fawns over Putin, was reluctant and late to enforce and sanction on him and even changed the GOP platform to benefit Putin.

You haven't read the report. You really should refrain from trying to talk about it.

Why would Putin want to hurt Hillary? Hillary supported Russia including handing over control of 25% of our Uranium in the Uranium One deal. Obama told Mevedev to tell Putin that after his 2nd term election he would have more flexibility. Flexibility in what? And, we know Obama backed Hillary because she was going to continue Obama's legacy. It makes no sense Russia would want Trump instead of Hillary. So, with 19 Hillary supporting attorneys, Mueller did this investigation and could not conclude Trump obstructed justice but concluded there was no conspiracy with colluding with Russia in any way. (Mueller said that again today). And, with 19 Hillary supporters, do you possibly think that this report that Mueller wrote, that he didn't have to do, might have been written by attorneys in such a way to make those like yourself think there is a there-there, when there isn't? Why are you hanging so much on the report without suspecting that there might be some conspiracy behind the report that Mueller is involved with? Maybe if he can get rid of Trump, a Democrat President would appoint him as FBI Director like he wanted Trump to do. I think I smell a big rat named Robert Mueller!!! And, that the report is garbage!!!

 

[HumblePi]

He should be served with a subpoena and made to testify to find out why he didn't mention the "dossier" and it's origin. I thought his scope was Russian interference. Since the "dossier" was composed by Russian agents, wouldn't that be within the "scope", or was the "scope" to include evidence that is embarrassing to Trump......:roll:

Oh he'll be subpoenaed for sure. He has already stated that he will reiterate exactly what's already in his own report. And, it's obvious you haven't read a single page of the 448 Mueller report because if you had you would be aware that all of that was in Volume I.

Here you are, I'm handing it to you on a silver platter, you don't even have to bother to google it for yourself. If you do your own reading, you'll have the answers to your own questions.

This is Volume I: https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Muelller-Report-Redacted-Vol-I-Released-04.18.2019-Word-Searchable.-Reduced-Size.pdf

This is Volume II, much of which I have posted here already in a previous comment

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Muelller-Report-Redacted-Vol-II-Released-04.18.2019-Word-Searchable.-Reduced-Size.pdf