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Something is Rotten

HowardBThiname said:
My guess is because he/she wants to reassure the public in light of all the negative media attention over Trump.

Kind of provides a semblance of stability.
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But of course the Trump Presidency does not feature stability. Nothing stabile about it.
 
Grokmaster said:
Tax cuts. Rebuild the military. Secure borders. End unfair trade practices. Block unvetted alleged refugees. Get the economy booming.


THESE WERE WHY HE WAS ELECTED.
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Not with Independents, the group that pushed the election his way....They elected Trump to bring manufacturing jobs back the U.S., he hasn't...They voted for him to rebuild infrastructure, he hasn't...Promised a better health care system, if anything it has gotten worst. Tax cuts did not help the average American, there is no clear indication that the Trumps tariffs will end unfair trade practices, and in fact have hurt farmers and many American businesses.

I just don't the same support from Independents in 2020 compared to what Trump got in 2016......Wis, Mich, Penn, and I believe Florida will swing back blue....
 
Geoist said:
Isn't it interesting how the crowd that screams of a shadowy deep state pulling the puppet strings fervently supports a man who can be bribed with pink Starbursts.
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His diminishing supporters seem to be from the crowd that mocks the screamers of a shadowy deep state.
 
Gina said:
Spot on. We don't know who they are and what their motivations are, including whether or not they might be double dealing in their own self-interest in ways we are not aware. They are not preserving democracy, they are thwarting it.

I don't know what they could be charged with. Conspiracy to defraud the American people? I dunno. At the very least, they need to never work in government again. They are breaking the public trust.
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Treason and defrauding The United States; possibly espionage.
 
HowardBThiname said:
A lot of that is due to the constant attacks from the media.
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Bull****. It is 100 percent due to Trump trying to run an administration like it’s an episode of The Apprentice.
 
Gina said:
I didn't want to derail the thread in the Polls forum to respond to this:




Terribly rotten. Whoever these people are, "thwarting" this "amoral" president, they are not putting the country first. They are putting their own political interests first in making Trump a "useful idiot" so they can accomplish their own agenda. Trump is president, not these nameless, faceless conspirators to keep him in power.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html


There is no such thing under the Constitution as a two-track presidency and these people are not heroes. They are covering up for an executive who may be mentally incompetent and exploiting that incompetence for their own ends. They should be reaching out to senators and representatives to voice their "concern" and explain why they feel they need to thwart and deceive him. Or they should stop covering up for him if they don't think it rises to 25th Amendment bad. They should not continue to operate a "two-track presidency".
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Whoever wrote this is someone of obvious ability. He (assuming a "he") must have thought long and hard before committing himself to it. He probably expects to be found out, and pay the consequences, when he could have resigned and made a public accusation of what he instead has accused with a great sub rosa splash. But he went this way because of the greater effect he believed, sooner or later, it would have. I suspect there is nothing more rotten to it than that.
 
Yes, the rotten thing is Hillary lost (twice), her supporters feel robbed (albeit she was a horrible candidate) and as a result of that loss the establishment feels threatened in their status-quo comfort zone by the new POTUS who is a true outsider and they have snookered all of you (all of us) into this disaster of a soft-coup attempt.

Keep in mind: We get the government we deserve....obviously we don't deserve much.

there you have it!
 
trixare4kids said:
Gina, yours is a thought provoking post. You've managed to explain why I'm so uncomfortable over this anonymous NY Time opinion piece.
Despite how one feels about the Trump presidency, it's unsettling to learn that our Democratically elected president is being undermined by some deep state elite, elites, who think they are better suited to do his job. Time to come together as Americans, ... and stand up and say, 'this ain't right.'
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So you're basically saying that the CT "deep state" and elites are indeed members of the GOP. What ain't right is for the Cabinet and staff to conspire to hide 45's ineptness and run the government.
 
MrMike said:
Yes, the rotten thing is Hillary lost (twice), her supporters feel robbed (albeit she was a horrible candidate) and as a result of that loss the establishment feels threatened in their status-quo comfort zone by the new POTUS who is a true outsider and they have snookered all of you (all of us) into this disaster of a soft-coup attempt.

Keep in mind: We get the government we deserve....obviously we don't deserve much.

there you have it!
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We have government that 45 appointed and hired.
 
JustHanging said:
Granted, Putin is a damaged party, but I don't think he could lay charges of treason against an American citizen.
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If you aren't intelligent enough to respond to my post in it's entire context, then don't bother to respond at all.
 
JackA said:
Whoever wrote this is someone of obvious ability. He (assuming a "he") must have thought long and hard before committing himself to it. He probably expects to be found out, and pay the consequences, when he could have resigned and made a public accusation of what he instead has accused with a great sub rosa splash. But he went this way because of the greater effect he believed, sooner or later, it would have. I suspect there is nothing more rotten to it than that.
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Jack, those people work for us and they are covering up what is a truly troubling situation instead of taking the proper action. The Speaker and Majority Leader are fully aware of what has been happening in the Oval Office and the Cabinet room.
 
Gina said:
I didn't want to derail the thread in the Polls forum to respond to this:




Terribly rotten. Whoever these people are, "thwarting" this "amoral" president, they are not putting the country first. They are putting their own political interests first in making Trump a "useful idiot" so they can accomplish their own agenda. Trump is president, not these nameless, faceless conspirators to keep him in power.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html


There is no such thing under the Constitution as a two-track presidency and these people are not heroes. They are covering up for an executive who may be mentally incompetent and exploiting that incompetence for their own ends. They should be reaching out to senators and representatives to voice their "concern" and explain why they feel they need to thwart and deceive him. Or they should stop covering up for him if they don't think it rises to 25th Amendment bad. They should not continue to operate a "two-track presidency".
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He's not mentally incompetent. He's just an asshole who won't stay off twitter. These unelected twits are doing no favors to anyone. What's rotten is the state of politics in America, the hate towards Kavanaugh embodies that, he's a solid jurist yet to read some of the comments on here and around the web, you'd think him being seated on the SCOTUS will usher in a theocratic unchecked regime that will lock away anyone not Conservative, Christian, White and heterosexual.

The mental illness isn't with Trump or his administration, it's with those who've lost their ****ing minds that he beat Hillary. Yeah he's an ass, he's a braggart... but damn people.
 
poweRob said:
Exactly. They are forming an unelected shadow government and then telling us all to be calm because they got this.
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I thought that was how Republicans roll. GWB had no interest in policy/governance, he made the clear early on, and the government was run by Cheney and other senior officials.
Reagan to a degree, was also 100% managed, he was had a big heart and was clueless about a lot of government, and many just steered him in the direction they wanted to go.
The more incompetent the Republican president, the better for the GOP establishment.

But I agree. People hiding in the shadows to push their agenda and defacto "support" a nutter of a president, likely illegitimate to begin with, is not heroic.
 
MrMike said:
Remember: "elections have consequences"

Hello Lefties: Hillary lost (twice)... get over it!
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The thing is Hillary lost. Obama is no longer POTUS. It's the right who can't let go of that. The rest of us are just trying to get through a single day without dealing with the "consequences" that occur hourly.
 
Renae said:
The mental illness isn't with Trump or his administration, it's with those who've lost their ****ing minds that he beat Hillary. Yeah he's an ass, he's a braggart... but damn people.
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Right. It's not Trump and his felony criminal ring of enablers.
It's the other 70% of the population including the DOJ, FBI, Jeff Sessions, Mueller, etc.

Sure Renae, that sounds totally ****ing plausible.
 
Parrish said:
Jack, those people work for us and they are covering up what is a truly troubling situation instead of taking the proper action. The Speaker and Majority Leader are fully aware of what has been happening in the Oval Office and the Cabinet room.
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So the “proper action” would be to complain openly to those in power who already are “fully aware” but doing nothing. You are making the op ed writer’s point.
 
Mach said:
Right. It's not Trump and his felony criminal ring of enablers.
It's the other 70% of the population including the DOJ, FBI, Jeff Sessions, Mueller, etc.

Sure Renae, that sounds totally ****ing plausible.
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Yep. We have seen the so-called deep state and it's the 45 administration.
 
Parrish said:
The thing is Hillary lost. Obama is no longer POTUS. It's the right who can't let go of that. The rest of us are just trying to get through a single day without dealing with the "consequences" that occur hourly.
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Trumpsters still scream 'lock her up' at Trump's rallys. Weekly Trump will still rail against Clinton and Obama in his tweets. The reason is simple. The right need someone to hate, the Republicans need someone to hate. They don't govern so they need an enemy, and Clinton and Obama are their enemies
 
MrMike said:
Yes, the rotten thing is Hillary lost (twice), her supporters feel robbed (albeit she was a horrible candidate) and as a result of that loss the establishment feels threatened in their status-quo comfort zone by the new POTUS who is a true outsider and they have snookered all of you (all of us) into this disaster of a soft-coup attempt.
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No, if Woodward's book is correct, and I suspect it is, and as confirmed by Trump's tweets, the daily press, and this op-ed, it's because most people outside of Trump's base don't think it's a good idea to have someone with the intellectual and emotional capacity of a spoiled ten year old running your country.

Keep in mind: We get the government we deserve.
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That is hard to argue with.
 
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