Socialist Zohran Mamdani wins NYC primary

[TheDoctorWasIn]

TBH 2,500 is a bargain.

I live in Huntington in Suffolk County now - we bought a house here in 1994 - and 2BR apartments start around that and go as high as about $4,000 a month. Add on commuting time/costs if you work in the city and frankly $2500 for your NYC apartment is a steal.

I live in Brooklyn - what I'm paying is cheap for my neighborhood, but not by a huge amount.

 

[gbg3]

NYC won’t experience a notable exodus of wealth.

But billionaires do love when people they wouldn’t even tip to shine their shoes carry water for them.

My guess would be, if Mamdani wins, there could be a notable exodus of wealth. And I sure think it's possible we'll find out whether that exodus occurs or not because there certainly is a pretty good chance he'll win.

 

[BirdinHand]

My guess would be, if Mamdani wins, there could be a notable exodus of wealth. And I sure think it's possible we'll find out whether that exodus occurs or not because there certainly is a pretty good chance he'll win.

Excellent.

We are looking to invest in another marina and more real estate space - perhaps if he wins, prices wouldn’t be as high then.

Win-win.

 

[Gaius46]

A good question. I will not feign subject matter expertise on this, but I have seen no small number of rent-controlled apartments that look quite nice and not like rotting slum tenements out of the late 1970s. Perhaps one of our resident New Yorkers like @Jezcoe, or @Gaius46 or @TheDoctorWasIn can tell us.

When I lived in the NYC - in Queens County - I didn't live in rent stabilized apartments. Rather I lived in private single family homes that had accessory apartments so I have no direct experience with rent controls. That said it is a common complaint that rent controls inflate the rents of non-rent controlled apartments because landlords have to make up the money somewhere. Whether that's actually true or not and to what extent I don't know.

I will also note that it is very expensive to own property in NYC, especially in Manhattan. Between property taxes, maintenance costs, insurance, income taxers, servicing the debt on mortgages I wouldn't be so swift to dismiss landlord claims about the costs they incur, especially smaller ones. But again that's my gut instinct.

 

[CLAX1911]

Local church here has opened a free “grocery store” instead of a conventional food pantry.

Does it operate on donations?

People go in and shop for items they would want and use, including with little shopping brackets picking items off shelves - and it has been a resounding success.

How much government funding did it get?

They also run a little boutique with clothing, shoes and housewares under the same model.

I’ve been donating to both since they’ve opened. And both have been a resounding success.

So the second people stop donating it fails. Now imagine that but instead of people donating it's tax money and when you run out you run out.

Imagine - giving people a bit of dignity and the ability to shop for items like normal, everyday people goes a long way.

You can't give people dignity. It's not a gift.

I think the idea of having places like that in NYC is a great idea.

Donation based I agree the government funded no that's a disaster.

 

[Callen]

My guess would be, if Mamdani wins, there could be a notable exodus of wealth. And I sure think it's possible we'll find out whether that exodus occurs or not because there certainly is a pretty good chance he'll win.

My guess is this is a tempest in a teapot. Even if Mamdani were to win he isn't going to change NYC into a progressive, tax grabbing municipality any more than it already is. The wealthy NYC'ers aren't going anywhere except maybe to their secondary property on the weekend. NYC is where the money is and that ain't changing anytime soon.

 

[BirdinHand]

You can't give people dignity. It's not a gift

Yes, you can.

You can give them dignity just as easily as you can give them heartache or despair.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

The United States Federal Government owns thousands of grocery stores, all across the country.

They're called "commissaries," and they exist on pretty much every military base we have.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yes, you can.

No you can't if you believe this you don't know what dignity is

You can give them dignity just as easily as you can give them heartache or despair.

Disagree you cannot give someone dignity.

 

[Bodecea]

No you can't if you believe this you don't know what dignity is

Disagree you cannot give someone dignity.

I think I see your problem.

 

[BirdinHand]

I think I see your problem.

Sort of laid it bare

 

[CLAX1911]

Sort of laid it bare

Have you ever wondered why socialist Nations always either collapse into famine or genocide?

This philosophy is the most deadly thing humans have ever conceived. It managed to kill 120 million people in one century that's five times faster than religion.

This is not going to work. Either it'll be the first time New York has had a Republican mayor since Giuliani or New York will be completely plentyless in 3 months or most likely this jackass is going to have to renege on everything.

 

[CLAX1911]

If only he ran with the political experience of a gameshow host.

He doesn't even have that

"Zohran Mamdani, a New York City mayoral candidate, has proposed a plan to create a network of city-owned grocery stores aimed at lowering food prices and addressing food insecurity.

This is going to end badly. I'm betting if he actually does it the shelves will be bare in 30 minutes and it will remain that way until it closes down. That's if it ever functions in the first place.

These stores would not pay rent or property taxes, allowing them to keep prices low and pass on savings to shoppers.

So this mayoral candidate is too retarded to understand supply and demand. If the current cost of a widget is $15 and you open up a place and sell it for $5 you're not going to have any stock. I bet grocery store clerks go and buy it all up to sell it in their grocery stores.

They would buy and sell at wholesale prices, centralize warehousing and distribution, and partner with local neighborhoods on products and sourcing."

Do you know what the margins are for selling groceries? It's razor thin. So if they're selling it at wholesale cost which isn't really what the mayor is saying you going to see if a few pennies?

You can only debate a caricature that you invented in your mind.

I'm debating someone that doesn't know the basic principle of supply and demand.

You probably think inflation was caused by greedy merchants just charging more cuz they just had this spontaneous flash of greed for a moment.

This isn't going to work.

 

[BirdinHand]

Have you ever wondered why socialist Nations always either collapse into famine or genocide?

This philosophy is the most deadly thing humans have ever conceived. It managed to kill 120 million people in one century that's five times faster than religion.

This is not going to work. Either it'll be the first time New York has had a Republican mayor since Giuliani or New York will be completely plentyless in 3 months or most likely this jackass is going to have to renege on everything.

Someone call up all those social democratic nations and tell them that they are going to collapse into famine and genocide.

I’m sure they’ve missed the memo - as have all the people living there who tend to have very favorable opinions of their countries and very high “happiness” metrics.

It’s almost like we have actual metrics to track these things….and that what he is proposing exists in many of them already.

 

[bomberfox]

Have you ever wondered why socialist Nations always either collapse into famine or genocide?

This philosophy is the most deadly thing humans have ever conceived. It managed to kill 120 million people in one century that's five times faster than religion.

This is not going to work. Either it'll be the first time New York has had a Republican mayor since Giuliani or New York will be completely plentyless in 3 months or most likely this jackass is going to have to renege on everything.

Robert Conquest’s numbers were hugely inflated.

 

[CLAX1911]

Someone call up all those social democratic nations and tell them that they are going to collapse into famine and genocide.

Like North Korea and Venezuela they already know.

I’m sure they’ve missed the memo

They got it before you did.

- as have all the people living there who tend to have very favorable opinions of their countries and very high “happiness” metrics.

I wouldn't consider someone saying they're happy living in North Korea or Venezuela to be truthful.

It’s almost like we have actual metrics to track these things….and that what he is proposing exists in many of them already.

Lies actual lies. Was it an in Venezuela where they broke into the zoo to eat all the zoo animals?

 

[BirdinHand]

He doesn't even have that

This is going to end badly. I'm betting if he actually does it the shelves will be bare in 30 minutes and it will remain that way until it closes down. That's if it ever functions in the first place.

So this mayoral candidate is too retarded to understand supply and demand. If the current cost of a widget is $15 and you open up a place and sell it for $5 you're not going to have any stock. I bet grocery store clerks go and buy it all up to sell it in their grocery stores.

Do you know what the margins are for selling groceries? It's razor thin. So if they're selling it at wholesale cost which isn't really what the mayor is saying you going to see if a few pennies?

I'm debating someone that doesn't know the basic principle of supply and demand.

You probably think inflation was caused by greedy merchants just charging more cuz they just had this spontaneous flash of greed for a moment.

This isn't going to work.

It’s almost like other places already DO this.

The man didn’t invent the idea.

Sweden, the UK, Germany - hell 3 cities in the US in KANSAS - already have government owned and operated grocery stores for low income residents and/or all residents.

 

[CLAX1911]

Robert Conquest’s numbers were hugely inflated.

So a famine and genocide that killed 100 million people is better?

 

[BirdinHand]

I wouldn't consider someone saying they're happy living in North Korea or Venezuela to be truthful

How about Canada? Netherlands? Denmark? Sweden? Iceland? Spain? Portugal? Germany?

Many of the programs he talks about exist in these places.

 

[CLAX1911]

It’s almost like other places already DO this.

Yeah Venezuela look at that place why don't you move there if it's so great.

The man didn’t invent the idea.

Sweden, the UK, Germany - hell 3 cities in the US in KANSAS - already have government owned and operated grocery stores for low income residents and/or all residents.

Sorry to break this to you Sweden you okay and Germany are all capitalist there's nothing socialist about them.

For a socialist State we have to go to China or North Korea or Venezuela.

I suppose pretending a very capitalist society like Sweden more capitalist than the US is somehow socialism to try and clean up the image of socialism.

I'll never understand why so many people are so gung ho to make the same mistake you should have learned from history and if you can't learn from history learn from Venezuela.

 

[CLAX1911]

How about Canada? Netherlands? Denmark? Sweden? Iceland? Spain? Portugal? Germany?

All capitalist no socialism there.

Did you know that actually Sweden partially privatized their social security and it saved it so in a way Sweden is less socialist than the US.

Many of the programs he talks about exist in these places.

Like partially privatized social security you can't go find places that are extremely capitalist and say see socialism is working.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Policy	Real-World Analog	Key Positive Outcomes
Rent Freeze	Berlin Mietendeckel	Stabilized rents across 1.5M units
Free Transit	Tallinn, Estonia	+Transit use, ↓car traffic
Universal Childcare	Quebec, Canada	↑ Workforce participation, better developmental outcomes
City-Grocery Stores	France’s solidarity grocery banks	↓ Food insecurity, cost relief
Public Housing Construction	Vienna, Austria	Affordable, high-quality, mix-income housing

 

[bomberfox]

How about Canada? Netherlands? Denmark? Sweden? Iceland? Spain? Portugal? Germany?

Many of the programs he talks about exist in these places.

We have a community and worker owned grocery store gem city market, its pretty nice.

 

[bomberfox]

He doesn't even have that

This is going to end badly. I'm betting if he actually does it the shelves will be bare in 30 minutes and it will remain that way until it closes down. That's if it ever functions in the first place.

So this mayoral candidate is too retarded to understand supply and demand. If the current cost of a widget is $15 and you open up a place and sell it for $5 you're not going to have any stock. I bet grocery store clerks go and buy it all up to sell it in their grocery stores.

Do you know what the margins are for selling groceries? It's razor thin. So if they're selling it at wholesale cost which isn't really what the mayor is saying you going to see if a few pennies?

I'm debating someone that doesn't know the basic principle of supply and demand.

You probably think inflation was caused by greedy merchants just charging more cuz they just had this spontaneous flash of greed for a moment.

This isn't going to work.

What factors into pricing is the need to pay off shareholders, need to pay high CEO costs, etc. when you dont have that, you can afford to charge less. They can afford to operate with those margins. It will be fine.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Do you know what the margins are for selling groceries? It's razor thin. So if they're selling it at wholesale cost which isn't really what the mayor is saying you going to see if a few pennies?

Well, actually that's exactly what he is saying.

And the margin for groceries depends very much on what groceries you're talking about. Every store will have loss leaders, but correspondingly high markups on other products.