Socialism Rising: Dems take House pushing massive government expansion

[Rogue Valley]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/so...ve-government-expansion-as-party-lurches-left

You historically challenged liberals must be so proud. Socialism in America, that Liberal utopia

The sky is falling! The conservatives (in name only) no longer have a choke hold on our government.

:inandout:

 

[Conservative]

No, sorry think progress is a radical left-wing site that hates anything conservative. I prefer the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of economic analysis, and US Census Bureau along with Treasury. Those agencies provide the official data that think progress doesn't have a clue about

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When Reagan was called a Serial tax increaseer context matters. The Social Security trust fund was raided for years so Reagan raised taxes to replenish the fund and not all people participate in Social Security so not all people had their social security taxes raised, and oh by the way Social Security comes back to the individual so replenishing the fund was necessary and will come back to those participating.


Federal income tax is paid by every income earning American and those were reduced. The taxes Reagan raised were use taxes so if you don't use the services you didn't pay the tax.

What you continue to show is it liberals believe all tax dollars are the same and should go into the same pot. That is complete economic ignorance

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[UtahBill]

No, sorry think progress is a radical left-wing site that hates anything conservative. I prefer the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of economic analysis, and US Census Bureau along with Treasury. Those agencies provide the official data that think progress doesn't have a clue about

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Sounds like a wimpout...

 

[Conservative]

You are "challenged" by the truth. See if you can find a GOP President who left office with deficits that were lower than when he came in. You can't.

You are right however I will show you a Democratic president that left office with higher deficits and debt then Reagan, g h and G W bush combined. Wonder who that is?

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[iguanaman]

You are right however I will show you a Democratic president that left office with higher deficits and debt then Reagan, g h and G W bush combined. Wonder who that is?

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LOL You mean the one that cut the deficits he inherited by more than half? Trump is on track to double the deficits that Obama left him and put them back over a trillion.

 

[iguanaman]

Democrats should not get their perverted hopes up too high. They must first find a real reason to impeach Trump before they start down that stupid irrational party-line mob-think darkened ungodly road.

We don't need to impeach hims as long as he is tied up in investigations and can't get any of his agenda into law. But if we see a path to remove him from office we certainly will. He is a disgrace to this country that endangers our security.

 

[Conservative]

LOL You mean the one that cut the deficits he inherited by more than half? Trump is on track to double the deficits that Obama left him and put them back over a trillion.

Yep, the one that was given less than he asked for by a GOP Congress but more importantly please take a civics class to learn that we pay DEBT Service not deficit. Cutting the deficit was outstanding but the problem is it could have been worse than 9.3 TRILLION which is more than Reagan, GH and GW Bush combined. Debt when obama left office was well over 100% of GDP. Keep showing just how poorly informed you are

 

[Conservative]

We don't need to impeach hims as long as he is tied up in investigations and can't get any of his agenda into law. But if we see a path to remove him from office we certainly will. He is a disgrace to this country that endangers our security.

the ignorance of the left on actual data, civics, economics is a disgrace to the education system of this country. Waiting for what legislation the last two years have hurt you, your family or the country? Specifics??? You have none, just hatred for his personality

 

[Conservative]

You are "challenged" by the truth. See if you can find a GOP President who left office with deficits that were lower than when he came in. You can't.

So you are saying that Obama's last deficit was lower than the 2008 deficit from Bush?? Prove it? But then again as proven deficits for Obama totaled 9.3 trillion over 8 years, something you are proud of?

 

[Conservative]

The sky is falling! The conservatives (in name only) no longer have a choke hold on our government.

:inandout:

Sorry, you missed out on a taxpayer funded welfare check?? Obviously you don't understand personal responsibility and have no problem with an entitlement mentality believing you are entitled to tax dollars taken from the rich by the federal govt. to fund your personal responsibility issues

 

[Conservative]

Sounds like a wimpout...

Apparently a wimpout to you is referring to official federal data and not some leftwing website you want to believe? Why is it you believe what the left tells you and never does research to verify what you are being told? There obviously is a passion for liberalism that I cannot figure out and you won't explain

 

[ElChupacabra]

Dishonest reporting? what do you think class envy, class warfare and jealousy promote. You really haven't been paying any attention to the messages coming out of the Democratic leadership, have you. I grew up a JFK Democrat and he is turning over in his grave seeing the party of Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, Hillary, Waters, Jackson Lee, and how radical the party has become.

You often post this as if efforts to have the financial elites paying more in taxes to maintain the country they benefit from is some form of class warfare. I don't agree with the idea of taxing the rich excessively is an answer either, but your statement of this being about jealousy and class envy sounds like an emotional response.

 

[iguanaman]

So you are saying that Obama's last deficit was lower than the 2008 deficit from Bush?? Prove it? But then again as proven deficits for Obama totaled 9.3 trillion over 8 years, something you are proud of?

Again using data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve, these are starting and ending federal debt numbers since President Reagan. I’ve computed the total percentage increase and the compounded yearly rate.

What the numbers show is that the total debt increased the most at 184% over 8 years and at the fastest rate under President Reagan at almost 14% per year. In fact, the three Republican presidents had the fastest growing debt on a yearly basis.

Reagan
Started Presidency: $965 billion
Ended Presidency: $2.74 trillion
Increased 184% or 13.9% per year

H.W. Bush
Started Presidency: $2.74 trillion
Ended Presidency: $4.23 trillion
Increased 54% or 11.5% per year (only in office for four years)

Clinton
Started Presidency: $4.23 trillion
Ended Presidency: $5.77 trillion
Increased 36% or 4.0% per yea

W. Bush
Started Presidency: $5.77 trillion
Ended Presidency: $11.1 trillion
Increased 93% or 8.5% per year

Obama
Started Presidency: $11.1 trillion
Ended Presidency: $19.85 trillion
Increased 78% or 7.5% per year

President Obama’s debt actually grew at a slower annual rate than any of the Republican presidents even though there were events that negatively impacted the deficit that started before he became President. The Great Recession is probably the biggest of them as can be seen in the yearly deficit numbers. While all politicians use data to support their positions, the sound bite that the debt doubled under Obama is very misleading

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/01/15/obamas-federal-debt-grew-at-a-slower-rate-than-reagan-h-w-bush-or-w-bush/#1b8241e71917

No matter how you slice it, Republicans are the champs at increasing debt and deficits and Trump is going to be no exception. I already know how proud you are of that.:lol: Hypocrisy is the bread and butter of Conservatives and they are fond of standing proud without any legs beneath them too.

 

[UtahBill]

Apparently a wimpout to you is referring to official federal data and not some leftwing website you want to believe? Why is it you believe what the left tells you and never does research to verify what you are being told? There obviously is a passion for liberalism that I cannot figure out and you won't explain

I don't accept the premise that only the left, or the right, has the truth or if they have it that they will share it. I usually vote GOP at the federal level. People who easily swallow the party line seem to like screwing themselves.

Is official federal data more true when a Republican is holding the office?

 

[Conservative]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/01/15/obamas-federal-debt-grew-at-a-slower-rate-than-reagan-h-w-bush-or-w-bush/#1b8241e71917

No matter how you slice it, Republicans are the champs at increasing debt and deficits and Trump is going to be no exception. I already know how proud you are of that.:lol: Hypocrisy is the bread and butter of Conservatives and they are fond of standing proud without any legs beneath them too.

I really feel sorry for you as you are totally and completely ignorant of data. First it is all about deficits and reductions, not about debt which is what taxpayers have to fund. Now it is about percentage change in debt which in your world means the 1.7 trillion Reagan debt is much worse than the 9.3 trillion Obama debt because the percentage change is higher. Do you realize how foolish and poor that comparison is? Ask your teacher to explain it to you but 1.7 trillion doesn't even come close to the 9.3 trillion in cost to the taxpayers. Rather frustrating to see someone like you making such a fool of yourself with data.

 

[Conservative]

I don't accept the premise that only the left, or the right, has the truth or if they have it that they will share it. I usually vote GOP at the federal level. People who easily swallow the party line seem to like screwing themselves.

Is official federal data more true when a Republican is holding the office?

Nope, official data is what it is regardless of party. Post for me the official data that proves your point as I have done and make sure it is in context and with links.

 

[azgreg]

The Bolsheviks have taken over the House and are on target to assassinate the sitting US President.

Thanks, I can now stop looking for the dumbest post on DP today.

 

[Myview]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/so...ve-government-expansion-as-party-lurches-left

You historically challenged liberals must be so proud. Socialism in America, that Liberal utopia

Lets stop with the liberal speak of deficit spending. Between this and massive focus on expansion of investigations looks like a get nothing done Congress thanks to a Republican Senate

Spin it honorable respectful Conservative. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-analysis-tax-cut-deficit-20180409-story.html Republicans have controlled spending a while. Yes there will be investigations and rightly so.

 

[marke]

We don't need to impeach hims as long as he is tied up in investigations and can't get any of his agenda into law. But if we see a path to remove him from office we certainly will. He is a disgrace to this country that endangers our security.

Trump is hated by all progressive commie Bolsheviks. To hell with the seditious bozos and their ungodly wicked agenda and evil plans.

 

[UtahBill]

Nope, official data is what it is regardless of party. Post for me the official data that proves your point as I have done and make sure it is in context and with links.

Did I miss your posts with links that support your right wing opinion?? Didn't see it if you did....

 

[Conservative]

Spin it honorable respectful Conservative. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-analysis-tax-cut-deficit-20180409-story.html Republicans have controlled spending a while. Yes there will be investigations and rightly so.

Inspections into what? What exactly has Trump done to hurt you, your family or the country? Republicans gave Obama less than he wanted thus reducing the deficit and the Fed has increased interest rates four times in the last two years giving us the deficit we had for 2018, Trump's first budget year. Stop buying what you are told and explain your position. The 24/7 anti Trump rhetoric diverts from the actual Trump results. Waiting for the results that truly bother you?

 

[iguanaman]

I really feel sorry for you as you are totally and completely ignorant of data. First it is all about deficits and reductions, not about debt which is what taxpayers have to fund. Now it is about percentage change in debt which in your world means the 1.7 trillion Reagan debt is much worse than the 9.3 trillion Obama debt because the percentage change is higher. Do you realize how foolish and poor that comparison is? Ask your teacher to explain it to you but 1.7 trillion doesn't even come close to the 9.3 trillion in cost to the taxpayers. Rather frustrating to see someone like you making such a fool of yourself with data.

So you are proud that the last 3 Republican Presidents grew our debt faster than the Democrat ones then? That is what the data showed you. Like I told you from the start Republicans are the kings of growing Govt, debt and deficits. The data is in and they are the winners in all 3 categories. A trifecta of deficit spenders.:lol:

 

[Conservative]

Did I miss your posts with links that support your right wing opinion?? Didn't see it if you did....

Tell me what data you want to see and I will post it along with the link which I have done over and over again but apparently missed by you


GDP growth, bea.gov over 3% for the fiscal year and calendar year bea.gov

4.7 million jobs created since January 2017, bls.gov

Historic Low African American and Hispanic American Unemployment, bls.gov

Deficit up due to interest on the debt and mandatory entitlement spending, Treasury.org

 

[Conservative]

So you are proud that the last 3 Republican Presidents grew our debt faster than the Democrat ones then? That is what the data showed you. Like I told you from the start Republicans are the kings of growing Govt, debt and deficits. The data is in and they are the winners in all 3 categories. A trifecta of deficit spenders.:lol:

So in your world 1.7 trillion for Reagan, 1.4 trillion for GHW Bush, and 4.9 trillion for GW Bush is worse than the 9.3 trillion Obama has added because the percentage change is higher? Do we pay debt service on the percentage change or the actual dollars? Reagan tripled the debt by adding 1.7 trillion to the debt and Obama increased the debt by double but Reagan's was worse?? Does that make any sense to you or anyone reading these posts?

 

[iguanaman]

Tell me what data you want to see and I will post it along with the link which I have done over and over again but apparently missed by you


GDP growth, bea.gov over 3% for the fiscal year and calendar year bea.gov

4.7 million jobs created since January 2017, bls.gov

Historic Low African American and Hispanic American Unemployment, bls.gov

Deficit up due to interest on the debt and mandatory entitlement spending, Treasury.org

Too bad that half of Trumps increased growth comes from increased Govt. spending and even that is waning. His tax cuts for the wealthy have ballooned the deficit and spurred only a mediocre growth spurt that is already petering out. What a bust.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/government-and-military-spending-fuel-u-s-growth-1540459800