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Slate article shows how feminism fails women

danielpalos said:
lol. I am the one with a really really serious relationship not you.
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You can tell yourself whatever you want. What you believe and what may be true are two entirely different things.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
You can tell yourself whatever you want. What you believe and what may be true are two entirely different things.
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Sure. I also resort to the fewest fallacies, for the sake of reality. Therefore, what You believe and what may be true are two entirely different things, when I am the one who is really really serious and resorts to the fewest fallacies.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Okay. But there's nothing good about marriage to a guy who demands obedience and submissiveness from his wife. Which is why women are far better off not marrying any guy who demands it.
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It depends on what you mean by “demand” and “submission” It is simply true that the happiest women are married conservatives, and that value set includes recognizing the husband as the leader of the household. Much like on an airplane the captain is in charge of the flight.

Husband=Captain
Wife is first officer

First officer is very important, but must in the end obey the captain when it’s time for a Final decision
 
roguenuke said:
According to you, and there is no reason to accept your opinion as fact.

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Broadly speaking the happiest women are married conservatives. This would likely indicate women are ordered towards a traditional marriage. This is not mere opinion. It is backed up by observable trends in humans
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Broadly speaking the happiest women are married conservatives. This would likely indicate women are ordered towards a traditional marriage. This is not mere opinion. It is backed up by observable trends in humans
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The happiest people are scandanavians. Socialism works
 
vegas giants said:
The happiest people are scandanavians. Socialism works
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Scandinavians are not socialist and actually many elements of culture in Norway are fairly socially conservative
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Scandinavians are not socialist and actually many elements of culture in Norway are fairly socially conservative
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Let's do what they do and get what they get.



You in?
 
roguenuke said:
Your unsupported opinion is noted, and dismissed.

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im not the one making the claim, how in the world is being a women "oppressive"
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It depends on what you mean by “demand” and “submission” It is simply true that the happiest women are married conservatives, and that value set includes recognizing the husband as the leader of the household.

Husband=Captain
Wife is first officer

First officer is very important, but must in the end obey the captain when it’s time for a Final decision
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IMO it's a sickening view of any relationship, married or not, when one person literally has to "obey" the other. It's a lot more like Master/slave, rather than husband and wife, and something any self-respecting woman would be smart to avoid.

As for your assertion about married conservative women being the "happiest," I seriously doubt that. I'm just glad that most women are lucky enough to choose what kind of marriage they'll accept or not.
 
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danielpalos said:
The Good wife not Only loves and honors her Husband but also obeys him simply because a Good wife does.
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And any guy who wants "obedience" in a wife is a guy any woman is wise to avoid dating or marrying.
 
Airyaman said:
What makes you think the letter was actually based on a real person?
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In taking a second look at this thread from the beginning, I'm wondering how OP reached the conclusion that "feminism has failed women" -- which is absolute nonsense, really -- just from this one letter to an advice column. The way I see it, feminism has empowered women, not "failed" them.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Remember the more sexual partners a woman had in the past is a greater danger she will file for divorce. They lose to ability to properly bond, this lady knows she wants these “average men” but she can’t feel like she does, because she’s f***ed away her ability to pair bond.
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The woman said she's not even looking for potential marriage partners, just guys to have sex with at this point. Maybe she doesn't want marriage at all? This may come as a shock, but not all women want the "traditional marriage" package. IMO that has failed women far more than feminism ever did.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Because half of all millennial women are childless.
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So? In many cases, that is by choice, not circumstance. There are many women, in their 20's and above, who never want children, and a lot of men don't want ever want kids either. Not all marriages are based on a desire to raise children these days, especially given the cost of raising kids. I don't see that as a problem.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I merely loathe political feminism. That’s not the same thing.
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Why? Because women don't have to settle for the whole "traditional marriage" thing as they were once forced to, is my guess. Women don't even have to marry at all, if they have all the important things in life on their own, without needing a man to provide those things for her. You know, home, food, clothing, etc., and their own money to buy those necessities -- and luxuries too, if they want them -- for themselves? I see nothing to "loathe" about that.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I am not doing equal domestic work with a wife when I work 20+ hours of overtime and I don’t expect a wife to pull down equal or greater income.
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Oh, right, that's supposed to be "women's work," isn't it. In spite of the fact that you would be living in the home as well. And you wonder why a lot of women, myself included, don't want the whole "traditional" marriage thing anymore. The reason is obvious; we don't want to be 24/7/365 unpaid house slaves for a guy who believes he's "too good" to be doing housework.
 
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