Should it be legal to pay surrogates to have babies for you and your significant other?

[OldFatGuy]

And I would use different arguments against that. Arguing against paid surrogacy is easy.

Your argument are lame. Dishonest subterfuges at best, for your real fears.

 

[Nap]

Therefore it's okay to exploit them?

As long as they consent to it and aren't coerced, I don't see the issue. If they feel it is in their best interest then more power to them. Just because you don't like the decision they made doesn't make it exploitative. You likely believe unpaid internships are exploitive, the people that would do it just to get their foot in the door to develop skills that would allow them to succeed would disagree.

 

[Lursa]

Absolutely. My father is more than just the guy who gave me half of my DNA. Same for my mother. They raised me. They nurtured me. They took care of me.

And none of those things applies to a surrogate. Thank you.

I have even been reminded that not even the DNA is in common.

So...again. What connection are you implying?

 

[Lursa]

A decision that you only make out of desperation isn't a good decision.

You have yet to tell us why you assume it's a decision made out of desperation. Please do so.

Besides, I dont accept that as an answer either, btw. People can make lots of decisions out of desperation that are the right thing for them: like leaving an abusive husband, getting a divorce, taking a job thousands of miles from your family, selling belongings to put food on the table, etc etc etc.

 

[Lursa]

Poor people do not have enough economic power to make the best decisions.

You have not yet explained to us why you assume these women are poor. Please do so.

And now you are assuming that lack of $$ makes people stupid or weak? That it leads to bad decisions? Or is the fact that they are poor mean they can only make stupid or weak decisions? Is that why they're poor?

Let's see the foundation for that, one that shows poor people make stupider or weaker decisions that those with higher incomes.

 

[Lursa]

If they pay far below what those jobs are worth, then yes it's exploitation.

So...how do you know that they are getting paid less than they're surrogacy is worth?

And why is it bad for them to choose a better paying option than waiting tables or washing cars since those pay less?

 

[Jay59]

I have problem with surrogates. It's something that should be watched carefully to protect all three parties but there is nothing wrong with the concept. It's the woman's body so her choice.

 

[Masterhawk]

This should absolutely be illegal. This is taking advantage of the poor for your own gain. I cannot imagine ripping a child away from a mother after childbirth. I know feminists like to use the woman as an incubator trope when discussing abortion, but in this instance that's absolutely what's going on.

Nobody is forcing them to do it. If poor women are doing it because they have no other alternative, how would keeping it illegal be of any help to them?

 

[Nap]

Nobody is forcing them to do it. If poor women are doing it because they have no other alternative, how would keeping it illegal be of any help to them?

That is the part that is funny about this. If we assume his reasoning is correct and that they are desperate, his opinion is to deprive them of an option they would be willing to do in order to escape that desperation leaving them with yet fewer options pushing them even further into hopelessness.

It is the same misguided logic surrounding prostitution and drug criminalization. The laws they put in place do more harm not only to those that participate in such activities but society at large. The old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind.

 

[Lursa]

That is the part that is funny about this. If we assume his reasoning is correct and that they are desperate, his opinion is to deprive them of an option they would be willing to do in order to escape that desperation leaving them with yet fewer options pushing them even further into hopelessness.

It is the same misguided logic surrounding prostitution and drug criminalization. The laws they put in place do more harm not only to those that participate in such activities but society at large. The old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind.

And what's wrong with it? Many people happily dismiss what pregnancy means to a woman's health, her body, her ability to do her job, etc when it suits them.

So what's the big deal about being pregnant for someone else and making some $$?

 

[Nap]

And what's wrong with it? Many people happily dismiss what pregnancy means to a woman's health, her body, her ability to do her job, etc when it suits them.

So what's the big deal about being pregnant for someone else and making some $$?

I don't see it as a right or wrong thing but a personal choice. If I was a woman, for the right price I would consider it. I don't see an issue.

 

[MrWonka]

I don't know all of the details on this, but I believe some states allow it. New York state government has proposed a bill to make it legal in their state. What say you? Should paid surrogacy be legal or illegal?

What basis would anyone have for making this illegal?

 

[Lursa]

I don't see it as a right or wrong thing but a personal choice. If I was a woman, for the right price I would consider it. I don't see an issue.

Agreed.

 

[phattonez]

Nobody is forcing them to do it. If poor women are doing it because they have no other alternative, how would keeping it illegal be of any help to them?

Because it keeps them out of a bad situation. It's not a solution to their poverty, and it's not intended to be. At the same time, I don't think you would call surrogate motherhood a solution to poverty.

 

[phattonez]

That is the part that is funny about this. If we assume his reasoning is correct and that they are desperate, his opinion is to deprive them of an option they would be willing to do in order to escape that desperation leaving them with yet fewer options pushing them even further into hopelessness.

It is the same misguided logic surrounding prostitution and drug criminalization. The laws they put in place do more harm not only to those that participate in such activities but society at large. The old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind.

Absolutely. This should not be a way out of poverty. The rich shouldn't be able to do whatever they want to the poor.

 

[Nap]

Agreed.

Having said that, the price for me would be at minimum 100k if not 125-150k. When you add up say a year's salary plus the stress on the body it just wouldn't be worth it if not approaching those figures.

 

[Nap]

Absolutely. This should not be a way out of poverty. The rich shouldn't be able to do whatever they want to the poor.

Why limit the opportunity of someone to escape poverty if they are willing to do so? This is the point, no one is advocating for the rich to do whatever they want to the poor, but allow people to make their own decisions. Besides, I doubt many rich people are going to just pick some random homeless person to carry their child for them, they will pay the premium to someone that takes care of themselves to ensure the best possible scenario for their child.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

I don't know all of the details on this, but I believe some states allow it. New York state government has proposed a bill to make it legal in their state. What say you? Should paid surrogacy be legal or illegal?

I'm surprised it isn't already illegal. It's illegal and considered unethical to receive money for organs. Having a child takes a toll on teh body, can result in serious health issues, even emotional instability with hormones during and after pregnancy, plus I would think it would be hard to give up the child you developed. Ethics people claim that paid organ donation would target susceptible, desperate people, but I think surrogacy can as well.

I don't have a strong feeling one way of another, but I think I would lean towards it not being legal.

 

[Herkamer63]

If something like killing a baby gets a woman paid, then I guess we should legalize prostitution. Why not? Prostitutes get paid for having sex, but somehow that's frowned upon... oh wait, that's just it. They might be more respected than these sluts that want to kill their own babies because they already get paid for sex. Seriously! I think I actually have more respect for prostitutes, as funny as that sounds. These other women who want to get paid for killing children in the womb are the lowest of the low. I don't think they get off in having a one night stand with men. They actually get a joy killing children. They can claim rape and incest, but I think many of these pro-death women get excited because they can brag about it later to other people. If killing babies in the womb should get them paid gets approved, prostitution should go ahead of it. I guess if it did get approved, you may as well include human trafficking being legalized. If you're going to get paid to kill a baby, may as well be hulled around and make money while you're at it. In all seriousness, no, legalizing such a thing like killing babies then getting paid for it should be prohibited and if anyone is okay with such a practice, you're no better than a National Socialist from WW II because they got paid to round and/or kill Jews. It's no different here.

 

[jamesrage]

I don't know all of the details on this, but I believe some states allow it. New York state government has proposed a bill to make it legal in their state. What say you? Should paid surrogacy be legal or illegal?

Yes it should be legal.Assuming the person doing it isn't criminal doing it for a reduced sentence, 18 years of age and there is clear guidelines absolving the surrogate mother of all paternal responsibility or keeping her involved if the parents want her involved.

 

[phattonez]

Why limit the opportunity of someone to escape poverty if they are willing to do so?

Because people shouldn't have to degrade themselves to get out of poverty.

This is the point, no one is advocating for the rich to do whatever they want to the poor, but allow people to make their own decisions.

When the rich have all of the economic power, then that is essentially what will happen. Free choice under drastically different conditions is an illusion.

 

[phattonez]

As long as they consent to it and aren't coerced, I don't see the issue. If they feel it is in their best interest then more power to them. Just because you don't like the decision they made doesn't make it exploitative. You likely believe unpaid internships are exploitive, the people that would do it just to get their foot in the door to develop skills that would allow them to succeed would disagree.

They are essentially the definition of exploitation.

 

[Nap]

Because people shouldn't have to degrade themselves to get out of poverty.



When the rich have all of the economic power, then that is essentially what will happen. Free choice under drastically different conditions is an illusion.

What is degrading about carrying a child for someone else?

 

[phattonez]

What is degrading about carrying a child for someone else?

You make yourself an incubator. Instead of growing your own children, you sell your body for another person's benefit.

 

[Lursa]

Because people shouldn't have to degrade themselves to get out of poverty.

What is degrading about gestating? And what is degrading about accepting money for doing so? Please explain? The amount of $ varies but is substantial.

When the rich have all of the economic power, then that is essentially what will happen. Free choice under drastically different conditions is an illusion.

You have not yet explained how this is exploitation...it's something women choose to do for themselves freely. In this case, they choose to do it for a decent wage. Please explain the exploitation specifically instead of continually referring to rich people.