Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

[PoppyCock]

You do know that SS, Medicaid and care are "socialist" right?

You do know that the US military is a socialist organisation right?

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Yes, i am aware of that tired old argumemt.

 

[marke]

I could see that you were a fundamentalist the moment you tried to make the distinction between ALL non-christians who "do crooked things" and the christians who supposedly they do not. By the way, many of these Christians who are caught molesting boys supposedly profess their belief in the words of the passage you just posted. Others used the Bible to justify slavery in the past and so on...

Leftists smear Trump for the actions of others totally disconnected from Trump and now they smear God for what sinners do. Leftists do not have good judgment.

 

[cabse5]

not at all. as was explained, the restrictions would still enable citizens to exercise their right to bear arms. just not all arms. and not without a documentation trail

You explain to judges how limiting certain guns would not restrict the right to gun ownership provided by the second amendment.

 

[roguenuke]

You explain to judges how limiting certain guns would not restrict the right to gun ownership provided by the second amendment.

We already do restrict the right of people to own certain guns/arms. Those rights are already restricted in some ways.

 

[justabubba]

Whatever, I detest the failed Ponzi scheme known as "socialism".

The moment socialism is installed in the USA, start writing the history books, it's all downhill from there.

would you please assign me your interest in all social security payments to be made in your name, because it would be hypocritical to agree to accept such funds from a socialized program

 

[justabubba]

You explain to judges how limiting certain guns would not restrict the right to gun ownership provided by the second amendment.

glad to. especially recognizing that during the era when the Constitution was written, members of the militia were obligated to possess and bear certain specific arms and munitions as mandated by the government
that there will continue to be arms you will be able to bear and possess fulfills your right to bear arms. please notice that you cannot today legally bear and possess machines guns without an extensive vetting process. ditto for sawed off shotguns. what i have proposed is no different in effect while the restricted arms would be different in design from those now quite restricted. the precedent has been cast. much as use of emergency powers by tRump for the wall would set a precedent so my recommended actions could be effected by the future progressive occupant of the white house

 

[joko104]

For example, in 2012, Obama declared a national emergency entitled, "Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen" in order to freeze the assets of anyone perceived to be negatively impacting a political transition in Yemen, VOA reported. In 2014, the 44th president issued a national emergency referred to as "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," which similarly locked the assets of those thought to be undermining democratic processes in Ukraine. These are just two of many internationally oriented states of emergency that Obama declared while in office.

In fact, virtually every declaration of a "National Emergency" was for other countries - by Clinton, Bush and Obama.

Apparently, the only national emergencies that are unconstitutional are ones the pertain to the UNITED STATES and AMERICANS. The Democrats in Congress and 12 malcontents in the Senate all just declared they put Americans and the United States is irrelevant to them - while they agree we must solve every problem in other countries in their "AMERICA LAST" policy.

The United States and Americans have no greater adversary on earth than the American Democratic Party.

 

[justabubba]

For example, in 2012, Obama declared a national emergency entitled, "Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen" in order to freeze the assets of anyone perceived to be negatively impacting a political transition in Yemen, VOA reported. In 2014, the 44th president issued a national emergency referred to as "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," which similarly locked the assets of those thought to be undermining democratic processes in Ukraine. These are just two of many internationally oriented states of emergency that Obama declared while in office.

In fact, virtually every declaration of a "National Emergency" was for other countries - by Clinton, Bush and Obama.

Apparently, the only national emergencies that are unconstitutional are ones the pertain to the UNITED STATES and AMERICANS. The Democrats in Congress and 12 malcontents in the Senate all just declared they put Americans and the United States is irrelevant to them - while they agree we must solve every problem in other countries in their "AMERICA LAST" policy.

The United States and Americans have no greater adversary on earth than the American Democratic Party.

The only exception being the republican party

 

[PoppyCock]

would you please assign me your interest in all social security payments to be made in your name, because it would be hypocritical to agree to accept such funds from a socialized program

Are Social Security Benefits a Form of Socialism?
Here is some interesting reading, just because it can be considered a socialized program does not mean full blown socialism would not be a disaster.

The Bottom Line
It's interesting to remember that the U.S. got the idea for a social-security system from 19th century Germany. That very capitalist monarchy launched an old-age social insurance program in 1889 at the behest of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, partly to stave off radical socialist ideas being floated at the time. The original social security was actually an anti-socialist maneuver by a conservative government.

Nevertheless, because the American government plays such a dominant role in the U.S. Social Security system – deciding how much and when employees and employers pay into the system, how much individuals receive in benefits when they get them, and preventing almost everyone from opting out – it seems fair to call the Social Security program a form of socialism. The program requires workers and their employers, along with self-employed individuals, to pay into the system throughout their working years. The government controls the money they contribute, and decides when and how much they get back after – and if – they reach retirement age. (For more, see Introduction to Social Security.)

 

[justabubba]

Are Social Security Benefits a Form of Socialism?
Here is some interesting reading, just because it can be considered a socialized program does not mean full blown socialism would not be a disaster.

The Bottom Line
It's interesting to remember that the U.S. got the idea for a social-security system from 19th century Germany. That very capitalist monarchy launched an old-age social insurance program in 1889 at the behest of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, partly to stave off radical socialist ideas being floated at the time. The original social security was actually an anti-socialist maneuver by a conservative government.

Nevertheless, because the American government plays such a dominant role in the U.S. Social Security system – deciding how much and when employees and employers pay into the system, how much individuals receive in benefits when they get them, and preventing almost everyone from opting out – it seems fair to call the Social Security program a form of socialism. The program requires workers and their employers, along with self-employed individuals, to pay into the system throughout their working years. The government controls the money they contribute, and decides when and how much they get back after – and if – they reach retirement age. (For more, see Introduction to Social Security.)

when do you believe that assignment of interest in your social security payments will become available to me
being so opposed to forms of socialism, you must also be opposed to the benefits of socialized programs
i am here to help you abstain from the personal receipt of any distribution of monies from said socialized program, which monies you would otherwise be entitled

 

[PoppyCock]

when do you believe that assignment of interest in your social security payments will become available to me
being so opposed to forms of socialism, you must also be opposed to the benefits of socialized programs
i am here to help you abstain from the personal receipt of any distribution of monies from said socialized program, which monies you would otherwise be entitled

You mean the system you pay into your entire working life?

 

[justabubba]

You mean the system you pay into your entire working life?

that socialized system
yea
when will i receive the assignment of your social security payments
no doubt you would refrain from accepting them yourself, recognizing your strident anti-socialism position

 

[Conservative]

Another example of a border fence working, how many examples have to be given before you people against the wall realize that this is an investment in national security and reductions in costs of illegal immigration pay for the fence.

Hungary’s New Border Fence Called a ‘Spectacular Success’

https://www.worldtribune.com/they-d...-new-border-fence-called-spectacular-success/

 

[Somerville]

Another example of a border fence working, how many examples have to be given before you people against the wall realize that this is an investment in national security and reductions in costs of illegal immigration pay for the fence.

Hungary’s New Border Fence Called a ‘Spectacular Success’

https://www.worldtribune.com/they-d...-new-border-fence-called-spectacular-success/

Yes, a "Spectacular Success" -- or so your somewhat biased source has as a headline

The following World Tribune.com content partners have both contributed articles and columns and have helped alert the worldwide web to its exclusive reports:

• DrudgeReport.com
• The Washington Times
• Hoover Institution
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• East-Asia-Intel.co

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Media Bias Factcheck does give the World Tribune a halfway decent rating for factual reporting but also notes that the site uses "loaded language" in headlines.

A bit of the google found a rather interesting fact about the "99.6% decrease in illegal border crossings" after Hungary finished a second border wall.

After the addition of a second fence in 2017, only 1,418 illegal border crossings occurred, marking a 99.6 percent decrease from the 2015 peak,
(. . .)
From 2015 to 2017, however, there was also a 98 percent drop in crossings through the Western Balkan route that leads to Hungary, according to Frontex, the European Union’s (EU) border control agency. It’s therefore difficult to assess how much the drop in illegal border crossings can be attributed to increased border security versus the drop in overall migration levels, as both played a role.

This little bit of information came from a Christian website - Fact check: Did Hungary reduce illegal migration by 99% with a border wall? | Stand for Christians

 

[Conservative]

Yes, a "Spectacular Success" -- or so your somewhat biased source has as a headline


Media Bias Factcheck does give the World Tribune a halfway decent rating for factual reporting but also notes that the site uses "loaded language" in headlines.

A bit of the google found a rather interesting fact about the "99.6% decrease in illegal border crossings" after Hungary finished a second border wall. This little bit of information came from a Christian website - Fact check: Did Hungary reduce illegal migration by 99% with a border wall? | Stand for Christians

walls work, always have and always will, any reduction in cost is a return on investment so keep ignoring reality and keep promoting open borders and a drain on our resources

 

[Somerville]

walls work, always have and always will, any reduction in cost is a return on investment so keep ignoring reality and keep promoting open borders and a drain on our resources

Walls work around small spaces and in regions where those wishing to trespass have limited options as they try to cross a boundary.

This 'idea' that Dems and libruls and other lefties support "open borders" is little more than proof that some Americans are not only afraid of change but also have come to see the world in black and white, the My Way or the Hiway!! problem.

Those who oppose the border wall are not calling for open borders, instead they are advocating for more technology and personnel in securing the border with Mexico. They are calling for more immigration judges so the applications for asylum and entry may be processed more efficiently. They are calling for government-run detention centers and not corporate-owned concentration camps where unvetted and low-wage guards are employed. So - NO, the left is not calling for open borders no matter how much your favourite media talking heads have to say on the subject.

 

[Conservative]

Walls work around small spaces and in regions where those wishing to trespass have limited options as they try to cross a boundary.

This 'idea' that Dems and libruls and other lefties support "open borders" is little more than proof that some Americans are not only afraid of change but also have come to see the world in black and white, the My Way or the Hiway!! problem.

Those who oppose the border wall are not calling for open borders, instead they are advocating for more technology and personnel in securing the border with Mexico. They are calling for more immigration judges so the applications for asylum and entry may be processed more efficiently. They are calling for government-run detention centers and not corporate-owned concentration camps where unvetted and low-wage guards are employed. So - NO, the left is not calling for open borders no matter how much your favourite media talking heads have to say on the subject.

Is there some reason that liberals/socialists like you are never proactive in preventing U.S. citizens deaths and high costs of illegal immigration and then only after massive attacks support steps that would have prevented the attacks in the first place?

 

[Somerville]

Is there some reason that liberals/socialists like you are never proactive in preventing U.S. citizens deaths and high costs of illegal immigration and then only after massive attacks support steps that would have prevented the attacks in the first place?

Uh - "liberals/socialists" are the ones who call for more regulation in regards to gun ownership as the vast majority of homicides are committed by Americans. "liberals/socialists" are the ones who advocate for e-Verify and stricter enforcement against employers who hire and abuse illiegal immigrants.

What would these "high costs of illegal immigration" be?

The only massive attacks took place on Sept 11, 2001 and every one of those criminals was a LEGAL immigrant, most of whom came from our 'great ally' Saudi Arabia.

The attacks on Sept 11 might have been prevented if the president at that time had bothered to pay attention to his security briefings. MIGHT HAVE not certainly.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Why would Americans want "Open Borders"? It makes no sense to allow anyone and everyone to enter the country without restriction and documentation. The USA has a system for immigration by which citizens of other countries may come here to visit or reside or to seek citizenship. The laws concerning admittance of illegals from areas in Central America is causing the biggest problem because they are gaming the asylum laws with the aid of Cartels for $5,000-$7,000 per person paid to the Cartels. They are coached in how to respond to questions to get to come here and because the law once the illegally come into the country we cannot remove them as we can those coming from Mexico. Why would anyone want to allow this massive number of illegals to come into the country ?

 

[Conservative]

Uh - "liberals/socialists" are the ones who call for more regulation in regards to gun ownership as the vast majority of homicides are committed by Americans. "liberals/socialists" are the ones who advocate for e-Verify and stricter enforcement against employers who hire and abuse illiegal immigrants.

What would these "high costs of illegal immigration" be?

The only massive attacks took place on Sept 11, 2001 and every one of those criminals was a LEGAL immigrant, most of whom came from our 'great ally' Saudi Arabia.

The attacks on Sept 11 might have been prevented if the president at that time had bothered to pay attention to his security briefings. MIGHT HAVE not certainly.

No question about it, regulations will keep us safe. You are clueless and a waste of time. Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind, Open borders have sure worked in Europe, haven't they?

 

[Somerville]

No question about it, regulations will keep us safe. You are clueless and a waste of time. Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind, Open borders have sure worked in Europe, haven't they?

Denial does appear to be required for membership amongst the American conservatives. Calling me "clueless" simply because you don't have an intelligent response doesn't do much for supporting your beliefs.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Walls work around small spaces and in regions where those wishing to trespass have limited options as they try to cross a boundary.

This 'idea' that Dems and libruls and other lefties support "open borders" is little more than proof that some Americans are not only afraid of change but also have come to see the world in black and white, the My Way or the Hiway!! problem.

Those who oppose the border wall are not calling for open borders, instead they are advocating for more technology and personnel in securing the border with Mexico. They are calling for more immigration judges so the applications for asylum and entry may be processed more efficiently. They are calling for government-run detention centers and not corporate-owned concentration camps where unvetted and low-wage guards are employed. So - NO, the left is not calling for open borders no matter how much your favourite media talking heads have to say on the subject.

It's amazing that people don't notice the patterns forming. Aligning with Moscow against London, Berlin, and Paris is critical to breaking up multilateral institutions like the E.U. and NATO. There's a new populist anti-immigrant government in Rome, and it too threatens a common EU migration policy.
Trump is indifferent to Russian meddling in Western elections and media because he wants to aid forces like Brexit and Le Pen. The Trump wing of the GOP is now, of course, simply the GOP and it is aligned almost completely with Moscow, with Putin.

This is similar to what's happening with the Brexit people in England. They're happy to hire illegal Romanians or Bulgarians to remodel their house but when you actually talk to the folks in favor of Brexit, it boils down to "they hate the Pakistanis and Indians".
And what is the driving anti-immigrant force in social media over there? Putin's trolls, of course.

But no one in the liberal camp wants so called "open borders", they want a sensible immigration policy that works for everybody. What we're seeing right now is a repeat of the asinine Charles Lindbergh values of the 1920's.
And since the Right doesn't have any answers for the pushback against this paranoid xenophobia, all they can do is accuse liberals of being in favor of open borders, thinking if they scream it often enough and loud enough, it will be taken as the truth.

Pure cowardice, borne of ignorance and hatred.

 

[Conservative]

Denial does appear to be required for membership amongst the American conservatives. Calling me "clueless" simply because you don't have an intelligent response doesn't do much for supporting your beliefs.

American conservatives? American Conservatives are part of the greatest country on the face of the earth and there isn't a socialist country on earth even close to what this country has created. Your desire to make it into a European so called Democratic Socialist economy speaks volumes about you and your inability to compete in a private sector economy and belief that someone else should fund your personal responsibility issues. My beliefs have been established by great parents who taught me personal responsibility as well as the fact that there are consequences for choices made, good and bad. In your world there are only excuses and bad choices are to be corrected by someone else

Spending in the name of compassion is what socialists propose never holding bureaucrats responsible for bad results but certainly making themselves feel good and never holding anyone responsible for poor choices made

 

[Conservative]

It's amazing that people don't notice the patterns forming. Aligning with Moscow against London, Berlin, and Paris is critical to breaking up multilateral institutions like the E.U. and NATO. There's a new populist anti-immigrant government in Rome, and it too threatens a common EU migration policy.
Trump is indifferent to Russian meddling in Western elections and media because he wants to aid forces like Brexit and Le Pen. The Trump wing of the GOP is now, of course, simply the GOP and it is aligned almost completely with Moscow, with Putin.

This is similar to what's happening with the Brexit people in England. They're happy to hire illegal Romanians or Bulgarians to remodel their house but when you actually talk to the folks in favor of Brexit, it boils down to "they hate the Pakistanis and Indians".
And what is the driving anti-immigrant force in social media over there? Putin's trolls, of course.

But no one in the liberal camp wants so called "open borders", they want a sensible immigration policy that works for everybody. What we're seeing right now is a repeat of the asinine Charles Lindbergh values of the 1920's.
And since the Right doesn't have any answers for the pushback against this paranoid xenophobia, all they can do is accuse liberals of being in favor of open borders, thinking if they scream it often enough and loud enough, it will be taken as the truth.

Pure cowardice, borne of ignorance and hatred.

Aw yes, another LA liberal who ignores what is going on in one's home state with regard to illegals and wanting to promote those values everywhere else. why would anyone want Californians and in particular LA, SF, and San Diego liberals electing the President of the U.S. simply because of population?

Why is it you have so much trouble understanding actual results generated, NATO is stronger now because of member nations meeting their financial obligations, America stronger because of our economic growth and military, and a President that has restored credibility that America will enforce red lines in the sand leaving our enemies wondering what Trump would do. I feel safer with Trump in the WH than any time during the Obama Administration. The real problem with you people is putting America first destroys your global goals and desires

 

[Somerville]

American conservatives? American Conservatives are part of the greatest country on the face of the earth and there isn't a socialist country on earth even close to what this country has created. Your desire to make it into a European so called Democratic Socialist economy speaks volumes about you and your inability to compete in a private sector economy and belief that someone else should fund your personal responsibility issues. My beliefs have been established by great parents who taught me personal responsibility as well as the fact that there are consequences for choices made, good and bad. In your world there are only excuses and bad choices are to be corrected by someone else

Spending in the name of compassion is what socialists propose never holding bureaucrats responsible for bad results but certainly making themselves feel good and never holding anyone responsible for poor choices made

Not just denial but absolute refusal to learn about the real world. America has done great things, it has been at the forefront of the change from the days of emperors and kings and tsars. Now other nations have learned not only from the successes but also from the failures of the American system, leading to the creation of societies which are uplifting more of their citizens than what we see in America today.

We have an administration which is rolling back pollution regulations along with failing to ensure poor communities not only have clean drinking water but also are being protected from toxic chemicals released into the atmosphere. America has a greater schism between the top earners and the working class than in any other developed nation. Americans' are seeing decreasing life spans, increased infant mortality and maternal mortality. America has a higher homicide rate than those democratic socialist nations. For some reason, many Americans have come to distrust institutions of higher learning.

Is America the greatest country on the face of the earth? It is certainly the most powerful military force on earth and if tRump has his way, the most powerful military force in near-Earth space.

Where do you get your ideas about socialism as it is known in those nations with higher standards of life than found in the US? OH, you read the news about Venezuela, you KNOW that Cuba is a failure and a dictatorship, the Soviet Union, the PRC, the DPRK - they are all 'proof' of your beliefs about socialism. That's fine, you can hold whatever beliefs you wish and maybe one day you will realise that much of what you 'know' was false.