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Self Identification Demands Placed On Others

Rich2018 said:
How would she know ?

(women's toilets don't have urinals)
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If the behavior/choice/belief is unknown to others, then society really has no right, indeed no inclination or reason, to intrude on the personal choice(s) of any individual.

On the other hand, if the behaver/chooser/believer demands that others change their actions in order to allow the behavior/choice/belief, then there is an issue.

At the point where social acceptance is needed to allow the action to continue, it is no longer a private thing. By definition it becomes a societal consideration.

Society will change to either accommodate or condemn the demanded acceptance.

Humor is a tool that often helps with the introduction and eventual acceptance of new ideas. You cannot aspire to anything of which you are unaware.
 
code1211 said:
With the recent insanity regarding individuals demanding that the rest of us accept their insanity of self identification counter to reality, a thought struck me.

I happen to be an old guy about 10 or 20 pounds heavier than I would like to be. I have numerous skin areas that have veins displayed resembling maps of river deltas.

My face has wrinkles and my posture is less straight than I would prefer. My movements are far from silky smooth and my attitudes are sometimes a tad uncaring and abrasive to those around me.

I'm pretty sure that if the great majority of women witnessed my naked body, locally or internationally, they would ask me to please put some clothes on ASAP.

All of that said, I would like to self identify immediately as a very handsome, intelligent and graceful young man, physically beautiful and unblemished, with an engaging manner that is the fantasy dream of women.

When I make known my new self identification, is everyone now obligated to treat me in the way that my new self identification demands?

Just wondering... At what point will the stupid insanity of the insane Left be called out for what it is?
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Rachel Dolezal proved she could be all she wanted to be. The white woman wanted to be black so that is what she told everyone she was. Elizabeth Warren wanted to be Native American Indian so that is what she told everyone she was. Richard Blumenthal wanted to be a Vietnam hero so that is what he told everyone he was. People must do those kinds of things all the time.
 
AProudLefty said:
Then no you are not being forced.
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And this new minority is not being acted against.

Everything's good.

Now, back to my point: Don't you think I'm a handsome young man? ;)
 
AProudLefty said:
I didn't. You did. You told me a story of a vet that you knew.
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That was AFTER YOU introduced the idea of a missing leg providing some kind of feeling.

Following your comment, I noted that the leg did not exist and was actually a support for my argument- not yours.

Now, back to my point: Don't you think I'm a handsome young man? ;)
 
code1211 said:
That was AFTER YOU introduced the idea of a missing leg providing some kind of feeling.

Following your comment, I noted that the leg did not exist and was actually a support for my argument- not yours.

Now, back to my point: Don't you think I'm a handsome young man? ;)
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Nope. You're the one who talked about a vet with missing leg. Own it please.

And you're the one who claimed that I insist that the missing leg exist just because someone says it does. That's your imagination.

I have no idea if you're handsome. I've never met you in person.
 
code1211 said:
And this new minority is not being acted against.

Everything's good.

Now, back to my point: Don't you think I'm a handsome young man? ;)
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No idea. If you want to think you're handsome, be my guest. ;)
 
code1211 said:
If the behavior/choice/belief is unknown to others, then society really has no right, indeed no inclination or reason, to intrude on the personal choice(s) of any individual...
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It depends what those beliefs or behaviors are

I take the view that you cam do whatever you like - so long as there's no adverse affects on others


...on the other hand, if the behaver/chooser/believer demands that others change their actions in order to allow the behavior/choice/belief, then there is an issue....
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What kind of demands are you thinking about - being able to pee in a toilet stall in the women's toilet ?


...society will change to either accommodate or condemn the demanded acceptance....
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What condemnation from society are you thinking about ?
 
code1211 said:
What is the recourse for the woman who is offended by the penis of the woman next to her?
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Women don't pee next to each other into urinals. The recourse is the same for her as it is for the woman who is offended by the vagina of the woman in the stall next to her.
 
marke said:
Rachel Dolezal proved she could be all she wanted to be. The white woman wanted to be black so that is what she told everyone she was. Elizabeth Warren wanted to be Native American Indian so that is what she told everyone she was. Richard Blumenthal wanted to be a Vietnam hero so that is what he told everyone he was. People must do those kinds of things all the time.
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I suspect that the same gullibility accommodations would not be extended to me from the general public.

My wife plays along. When you get right down to it, that's all the really matters to me. ;)

Why people engage in this exercise is interesting. How and why they maintain their self image on the personal level are also interesting considerations.

I wonder if the way we experience the world contributes to this. We are so removed from consequence in our actions that there could be an ongoing decoupling of our beliefs from the real world.

For most people, is Neil Armstrong any more or less real than Luke Skywalker? In a very real sense, I would guess that Luke Skywalker is MORE real to a surprisingly large part of our populace.
 
AProudLefty said:
Nope. You're the one who talked about a vet with missing leg. Own it please.

And you're the one who claimed that I insist that the missing leg exist just because someone says it does. That's your imagination.

I have no idea if you're handsome. I've never met you in person.
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I believe that was in response to either your comment or the comment of a different poster.

Why are you consumed with this?
 
Rich2018 said:
It depends what those beliefs or behaviors are

I take the view that you cam do whatever you like - so long as there's no adverse affects on others




What kind of demands are you thinking about - being able to pee in a toilet stall in the women's toilet ?




What condemnation from society are you thinking about ?
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Societies have employed various methods to both accommodate and to condemn. Society will do so repeatedly on this and other issues as the world continues to turn. What I recommend or foresee is inconsequential.
 
lwf said:
Women don't pee next to each other into urinals. The recourse is the same for her as it is for the woman who is offended by the vagina of the woman in the stall next to her.
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Or, more appropriately to this discussion, the vagina of the man next to her.
 
code1211 said:
I believe that was in response to either your comment or the comment of a different poster.

Why are you consumed with this?
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Consumed with what? Apparently you're interested in trying to understand the transgender phenomenon. I'm just trying to help you.
 
code1211 said:
I appreciate your accommodation.
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Handsomeness is a value judgement. You might be handsome to some people. Also you can improve your looks. People do it all the time with exercising, dieting, make ups, botox, plastic surgery, and such. So it's possible for you to make yourself handsomier.
 
code1211 said:
Societies have employed various methods to both accommodate and to condemn. Society will do so repeatedly on this and other issues as the world continues to turn. What I recommend or foresee is inconsequential.
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Society generally gets more liberal as ideas, one they establish a foothold" gain acceptance.
 
code1211 said:
Or, more appropriately to this discussion, the vagina of the man next to her.
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Yes, either case, though the man with the vagina should be in the men's room. If you are offended by someone else's body, you have no recourse, and you shouldn't have any recourse because the problem is with you, not with them. You don't have the right to bar a fat man from using the stall next to you based on your personal offense at his body, and neither should you have the right to deny a trans-man from using the stall next to you based on the appearance of his genitalia.
 
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Rich2018 said:
You seemed to indicate that the possession of a vagina was the deciding factor in which toilet to use.
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No, the identification of "man" is the deciding factor of which toilet to use.
 
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