Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid protest[W:354:430]

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I am a fierce advocate of protecting humans against one of their biggest threats - themselves. We need to ban cigarettes, tobacco, highly sugary drinks and yes, even abortion.

If we cannot ban it we need to tax the living daylights out of these vices. Abortion is a human's right violation as it violates the mother's bond with her child and violates (or ends) the life of the child.

An abortion doesn't empower a women, it robs her of her dignity, self-worth, and courage.

What nonsense, none of what you advocate has any thing to do with protecting humans, it is just all utter interference with humans by a government that is overbearing and interfering on the most basic level possible and with abortion it is also about controlling women and their bodies.

People have the right to damage themselves with legal substances, not my preferred thing to do of course or very wise but also flies in the face of actual human rights that people have.

It is ludicrous to compare abortion (a legal medical procedure) with smoking/drinking highly sugary drinks.

Banning abortion is the human rights violation as you interfere in the privacy and the decision right over her own body a woman has. And what mother child bond? How do you bond with a zygote? Cuddle it at night? Bull excrement and nonsense.

The ability and the opportunity to have the right to choose empowers and protects women, it gives her the right every man has when it comes to dominion over her own body, it protects her dignity, it protects her self worth (rather than having the government take away her autonomy and treat her like a womb with limbs) and it shows she has the courage to make tough decisions that are in the best interest of her and her loved ones.

The only protection mankind needs is from the kind of overbearing dictatorship like society that you advocate.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

All of those things have a cost. PP doesn't charge for abortions, which is ridiculous in nature. We charge for medical procedures that save lives but don't charge for procedures that end lives?

An abortion procedure should cost market rate and we should make no exceptions to the poor. It is not a medically necessary procedure to save a life.

Please provide the link that proves that PP does not charge for abortions? Because it does require payment for it's services, abortion is not exempt from payment.

And you do not have the right to dictate which medical procedures should cost less when you are poor, no right whatsoever.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

PP most certainly does charge for abortions. Here are the fees at one clinic:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-western-pennsylvania/patients/fees-services

LOL.

First paragraph:

No-Cost Programs

Title X program

Fees for services are based on your household income and may be free.

:lamo

Basically free for the poor.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Please provide the link that proves that PP does not charge for abortions? Because it does require payment for it's services, abortion is not exempt from payment.

And you do not have the right to dictate which medical procedures should cost less when you are poor, no right whatsoever.

Abortion in most cases is not a life-saving procedure. It is a life-convenience procedure. Women treat abortion the same way they do breast implants or botox. I find that greatly troubling.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Please provide the link that proves that PP does not charge for abortions? Because it does require payment for it's services, abortion is not exempt from payment.

And you do not have the right to dictate which medical procedures should cost less when you are poor, no right whatsoever.

The women getting abortions don't have money for abortions. Where do you think 13-14 year old girls are getting money to pay from abortion and hide it from mom and dad?

Let's start using our brain and think.

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I don't have to take this line of questioning. I advocate for women's right all the time.

No you don't. You advocate for restricting women's rights.

I don't trust the likes of TG, year2late, and etc that have such a narrow perspective on equality.

Our view on equality is about as narrow as an open field. Meaning not at all.

TG and the abortion squad have such a narrow view on what women's equality should be, it suffocates the rest of us.

TG and the Abortion Squad, huh? Do we get to wear silly uniforms and have cringey catchphrases?

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

A woman is never at fault for a rape, however, liberals have promoted a society which makes women defenseless and weak. It makes them easy targets as rape victims. When liberals encourage women to be "nasty" and do a "slut walk," that's simply disgusting. Liberals have created a society which encourages women to be victims.

Bucky: "A woman is never at fault for rape, but let me go on in the same sentence to explain why it's her fault."

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Abortion in most cases is not a life-saving procedure. It is a life-convenience procedure. Women treat abortion the same way they do breast implants or botox. I find that greatly troubling.

And that is bull crap, you have no idea what women are thinking when they are deciding to have an abortion. Also I see you are ducking the question, where is the link that claims abortion is free of charge at PP clinics? And who cares whether or not it is a life saving procedure? It is a medical procedure and you have no right interfering in that private medical decision between a woman and her doctor.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

The women getting abortions don't have money for abortions. Where do you think 13-14 year old girls are getting money to pay from abortion and hide it from mom and dad?

Let's start using our brain and think.

Yeah, except almost all abortions are done by grown up women who have to pay for their procedures.

 

[year2late]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

LOL.

First paragraph:



:lamo

Basically free for the poor.

Look through Title X.

Planned Parenthood - FactCheck.org

PP is not allowed to use federal funds for abortion. (see Hyde AMendment)

Even if they were, it is not their habit to provide abortions for free as you suggested in an earlier post. PP may have funds from private donors to subsidize those who cannot afford an abortion...and certain states may agree to cover the cost.

Seriously, you guys need to figure out your play. Is Planned Parenthood lining the pockets of the CEO with all those abortion dollars or are they giving away abortions?:lamo

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

LOL.

First paragraph:



:lamo

Basically free for the poor.

Abortion is not one of their free services. Title x does not provide funds for abortion.

By preventing unintended pregnancies, Title X has decreased the number of abortions in the United States.[7] Since its inception, Title X has not provided funds for programs that use abortion as a family planning method.[3][8][9]

Title X grantees and sub-recipients must be in full compliance with Section 1008 of the Title X statute and 42 CFR 59.5(a)(5), which prohibit abortion as a method of family planning. Grantees and sub-recipients must have written policies that clearly indicate that none of the funds will be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning. Additional guidance on this topic can be found in the July 3, 2000, Federal Register Notice entitled Provision of Abortion-Related Services in Family Planning Services Projects, which is available at 65 Fed. Reg. 41281, and the final rule entitled Standards of Compliance for Abortion-Related Services in Family Planning Services Projects, which is available at 65 Fed. Reg. 41270.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_X

What if I can’t pay or do not have health insurance?
Planned Parenthood participates in a federal funding program called Title X (10); a program that allows us to supplement birth control, GYN care and other reproductive health services for women who cannot pay full price for health care services. This program does not pay for abortion care.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/p...ources/paying-your-health-care/about-our-fees

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Abortion is not one of their free services. Title x does not provide funds for abortion.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_X




https://www.plannedparenthood.org/p...ources/paying-your-health-care/about-our-fees

I think I am going to exit this thread. I'm being attacked left and right by Scrabaholic, Peter King, TheGoverness, year2late, minnie616, AGENT J. It is simply just too many zealots attacking me.

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I think I am going to exit this thread. I'm being attacked left and right by Scrabaholic, Peter King, TheGoverness, year2late, minnie616, AGENT J. It is simply just too many zealots attacking me.

Well, if you don't want criticism/push back, don't put lies, distortions, fake stuff and nonsense on the website from your zealot based doctrine.

 

[minnie616]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

LOL.

First paragraph:



:lamo

Basically free for the poor.

The low cost services are only the Title X services.

That does not include abortions because abortions are not a part of the Title X program and abortions cannot receive any Federal Tax dollars by law.

From Wiki:

The first federal subsidies to help low-income families with birth control came in 1965 as part of President Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty program. In 1970 during the presidency of Richard Nixon, the Senate passed Title X unanimously, and the House voted 298 to 32 to pass the bill on to Nixon, who signed it into law. There was strong bipartisan support for Title X;[3] Nixon noted as much in a statement he made upon signing the bill.[4]


In 1972, Congress passed another bill to draw funds from each state's Medicaid program to help pay for family planning for low income families, the states to be 90% repaid by the federal government. A third bill was passed in 1975 authorizing a network of family planning centers to be built across the U.S., in 2014, some 4,400 centers were in operation. Title X and the subsequent supporting bills were funded by $2.4 billion in 2010.[3]

...

Abortion

By preventing unintended pregnancies, Title X has decreased the number of abortions in the United States.[7] Since its inception, Title X has not provided funds for programs that use abortion as a family planning method.[3][8][9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_X

 

[year2late]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I think I am going to exit this thread. I'm being attacked left and right by Scrabaholic, Peter King, TheGoverness, year2late, minnie616, AGENT J. It is simply just too many zealots attacking me.

Scrabaholic (who you just quoted) posted you the links to refute your assertions.

That is not an attack, it is backing up assertions.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I think I am going to exit this thread. I'm being attacked left and right by Scrabaholic, Peter King, TheGoverness, year2late, minnie616, AGENT J. It is simply just too many zealots attacking me.

Nobody is attacking you. We are debating you, countering your "points". However, you just attacked us by calling us "zealots".

 

[year2late]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Nobody is attacking you. We are debating you, countering your "points". However, you just attacked us by calling us "zealots".

You forgot the whole giving birth through a hyenas female penis thing.:lamo

 

[FutureIncoming]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

All of those things have a cost.

YES. In socialized-medicine countries, citizens pay quite a high tax rate, to cover the costs of **all** types of medical care. And that includes abortions-on-demand where it is legal. Here in the USA, where we don't have formally socialized medicine, we do have insurance, and premiums resembling taxes. And one of the other Threads here is about Oregon mandating insurance plans to cover abortions....

PP doesn't charge for abortions, which is ridiculous in nature.

ONLY IF YOU REFUSE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. Like taxes and socialized medical care.

We charge for medical procedures that save lives but don't charge for procedures that end lives?

MISDIRECTION. We save **persons**. Abortion targets **animals** that act worse than parasites. All the Stupid Prejudice in the world, about the word "human". does not make the lives of persons equivalent to the lives of mere-animal entities.

An abortion procedure should cost market rate and we should make no exceptions to the poor.

SEE ABOVE ABOUT TAXES AND INSURANCE. Don't assume that the costs don't exist or are not paid!

It is not a medically necessary procedure to save a life.

A STUPID LIE, because sometimes abortion actually is a medically necessary procedure to save a person's life, and you know it. The rest of the time, what you wrote might be true, but that is irrelevant. The next time you get infested with ringworm or malaria or roundworm or some other parasite, that might be the first time for you, but just remember that you can probably survive if you don't insist the lives of those parasites be killed. Which means killing them is "not a medically necessary procedure to save a life" (yours), right? Or are you going to blather idiotically Stupid Prejudice about the word "human", eh?

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

A STUPID LIE, because sometimes abortion actually is a medically necessary procedure to save a person's life, and you know it. The rest of the time, what you wrote might be true, but that is irrelevant. The next time you get infested with ringworm or malaria or roundworm or some other parasite, that might be the first time for you, but just remember that you can probably survive if you don't insist the lives of those parasites be killed. Which means killing them is "not a medically necessary procedure to save a life" (yours), right? Or are you going to blather idiotically Stupid Prejudice about the word "human", eh?

Do you have proof that it is medically necessary?

 

[Peter King]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Do you have proof that it is medically necessary?

I don't believe it!!!

Are you for real? You did read her post where she said:

sometimes abortion actually is a medically necessary procedure to save a person's life

And then you ask do you have proof it is medically necessary?

Let's see:

- A Non-Viable Intrauterine Fetus

- Intrauterine Fetal Death

- Premature Rupture of Membranes

- Placental Separation

- Fetal Congenital Birth Defects

- Maternal infection

- Chromosome trisomies

- Genetic Disorders

- cardiomyopathy (diseased heart muscle) caused by changes of pregnancy or other problems

- History of heart attack causing poor function of the heart during pregnancy

- hypertensive heart disease from long-standing high blood pressure, which can lead to heart failure

- Eisenmenger's syndrome which is disease of the arteries of the lungs caused by a congenital hole in the heart and carries a high risk of death during pregnancy

- pulmonary hyptertension

- Preeclampsia

- cancer (aborting so that the woman can receive cancer treatment to save her LIFE!!!!)

- Intrauterine Infection

- Poorly controlled diabetes with severe maternal cardiovascular, renal, and vision complications

- Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura, a blood disorder of low platelets that can lead to hemorrhage

- Maternal genetic diseases, such as Marfan's syndrome - a disease that affects connective tissue, especially in the heart, blood vessels, and bones. A severely affected aorta can lead to death.


To name but a few.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Do you have proof that it is medically necessary?

DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE "PROOF". For some folks, totally and irrationally convinced they are right, if there happens to be an occasion when they are wrong, there is nothing in the Universe that can convince them that they are wrong, much less convince them to admit they are wrong. Are you one of those?

 

[Bucky]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE "PROOF". For some folks, totally and irrationally convinced they are right, if there happens to be an occasion when they are wrong, there is nothing in the Universe that can convince them that they are wrong, much less convince them to admit they are wrong. Are you one of those?

No, but you are.

 

[year2late]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

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I don't believe it!!!

Are you for real? You did read her post where she said:



And then you ask do you have proof it is medically necessary?

Let's see:

- A Non-Viable Intrauterine Fetus

- Intrauterine Fetal Death

- Premature Rupture of Membranes

- Placental Separation

- Fetal Congenital Birth Defects

- Maternal infection

- Chromosome trisomies

- Genetic Disorders

- cardiomyopathy (diseased heart muscle) caused by changes of pregnancy or other problems

- History of heart attack causing poor function of the heart during pregnancy

- hypertensive heart disease from long-standing high blood pressure, which can lead to heart failure

- Eisenmenger's syndrome which is disease of the arteries of the lungs caused by a congenital hole in the heart and carries a high risk of death during pregnancy

- pulmonary hyptertension

- Preeclampsia

- cancer (aborting so that the woman can receive cancer treatment to save her LIFE!!!!)

- Intrauterine Infection

- Poorly controlled diabetes with severe maternal cardiovascular, renal, and vision complications

- Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura, a blood disorder of low platelets that can lead to hemorrhage

- Maternal genetic diseases, such as Marfan's syndrome - a disease that affects connective tissue, especially in the heart, blood vessels, and bones. A severely affected aorta can lead to death.


To name but a few.

And dependind on the stage of prenancy....if it is a maternal health issue...they could do a csection and hope for the best.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

I think I am going to exit this thread. I'm being attacked left and right by Scrabaholic, Peter King, TheGoverness, year2late, minnie616, AGENT J. It is simply just too many zealots attacking me.

Where is the attack in that post?

 

[Phys251]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Easy enough for a bunch of Lesbian to do.

Even women who never get pregnant may have plenty of use for Planned Parenthood.