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Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid protest[W:354:430]

Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

No, but you are.
NOPE; I have admitted being wrong at this Debate Site on occasion. A recent spat has not changed that --there are at least two different ways to show that calling an unborn human a "baby" is unethical, the first related to causing unnecessary suffering, and the second related to Stupid Hypocrisy (both explained here), and the fellow claiming I'm lying about that has yet to prove his Positive Claim.
 
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And dependind on the stage of prenancy....if it is a maternal health issue...they could do a csection and hope for the best.

Here is the proof that abortion is never medically necessary to save the mothers life:

 
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Here is the proof that abortion is never medically necessary to save the mothers life:



Bucky, did you even read what I wrote.

If the issue is severe maternal complication and it is late in pregnancy (read post viability of fetus)they could do a C-section and hope the fetus was advance enough to survive preterm birth.

The problem is that when these complications arise before viability.

And if you think this one doctor speaks for all or even most in terms of pre viability abortions, you are beyond naïve.

I am curious. DO you really think all women have accesses to high risk obstetricians and ready access to major medical centers capable of following them?

Do you really realize what that entails?

There are cancers that are managible with pregnancy, others not so much. So cardiac issues require medical diligence and assurance of a safe l and d plan. Others have disease that is so greatly worsened by the pregnancy that death is a distinct possibility.

One thing is for certain the say so of one doctor does not replace the care a woman gets from her health care team. In my area, we have an abundance of high risk OB specialists and specialists in general. They will give careful consideration as to the real risk to maternal life.

But Bucky, you diminish this relationship a woman has with her doctor and specialists by so narrowly viewing this issue. You do not take into consideration prior health, support systems - social and financial - desire to give birth and great personal risk.

Think of it this way. Your doctor tells you that you have AML (severe form of leukemia). We will give you the less optimal chemo . Hopefully you will do ok. Then in 6 month we will give you the treatment that stands the best chance of helping you survive. Are you going to be ok with taking the less optimal treatment and waiting 6 months for the aggressive treatment?
 
Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Bucky, did you even read what I wrote.

If the issue is severe maternal complication and it is late in pregnancy (read post viability of fetus)they could do a C-section and hope the fetus was advance enough to survive preterm birth.

The problem is that when these complications arise before viability.

And if you think this one doctor speaks for all or even most in terms of pre viability abortions, you are beyond naïve.

I am curious. DO you really think all women have accesses to high risk obstetricians and ready access to major medical centers capable of following them?

Do you really realize what that entails?

There are cancers that are managible with pregnancy, others not so much. So cardiac issues require medical diligence and assurance of a safe l and d plan. Others have disease that is so greatly worsened by the pregnancy that death is a distinct possibility.

One thing is for certain the say so of one doctor does not replace the care a woman gets from her health care team. In my area, we have an abundance of high risk OB specialists and specialists in general. They will give careful consideration as to the real risk to maternal life.

But Bucky, you diminish this relationship a woman has with her doctor and specialists by so narrowly viewing this issue. You do not take into consideration prior health, support systems - social and financial - desire to give birth and great personal risk.

Think of it this way. Your doctor tells you that you have AML (severe form of leukemia). We will give you the less optimal chemo . Hopefully you will do ok. Then in 6 month we will give you the treatment that stands the best chance of helping you survive. Are you going to be ok with taking the less optimal treatment and waiting 6 months for the aggressive treatment?

This is a healthcare issue, not an abortion issue. They are not directly related.
 
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This is a healthcare issue, not an abortion issue. They are not directly related.

WTH are you talking about.

You posted crap saying that abortion was never medically necessary. I refute you and that is the response?

I also asked you if you were asked to wait months for the best treatment for a severe form of leukemia...would you be ok with it? If you are honest, you would say a resounding "no". Why should a pregnant woman be asked not to get the best medical treatment for her cancer or whatever disease? If she wants to have the best chance of living and the fetus in diminishing her best chance....IT IS HER decision what risk to accept.I know women who would accept the risk and women who would not.
 
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WTH are you talking about.

You posted crap saying that abortion was never medically necessary. I refute you and that is the response?

I also asked you if you were asked to wait months for the best treatment for a severe form of leukemia...would you be ok with it? If you are honest, you would say a resounding "no". Why should a pregnant woman be asked not to get the best medical treatment for her cancer or whatever disease? If she wants to have the best chance of living and the fetus in diminishing her best chance....IT IS HER decision what risk to accept.I know women who would accept the risk and women who would not.

I am being honest and most women would wait for the best medical treatment. I answer that with resounding confidence. Those that say no are either being tricked or confused.
 
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I am being honest and most women would wait for the best medical treatment. I answer that with resounding confidence. Those that say no are either being tricked or confused.

I am telling you that the best medical treatment is available NOW, you just seem to want her to potentially get less effective treatment because she is pregnant.

If you knew the best treatment was available NOW would you want to wait 6 months? Of course not. You want the woman to risk her life because you saw in a video that one doctor said abortion was never necessary to save he life.
 
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I am telling you that the best medical treatment is available NOW, you just seem to want her to potentially get less effective treatment because she is pregnant.

If you knew the best treatment was available NOW would you want to wait 6 months? Of course not. You want the woman to risk her life because you saw in a video that one doctor said abortion was never necessary to save he life.

You don't understand human nature. A mother is not going to put her life above the needs of her child. What kind of monster would do that?
 
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You don't understand human nature. A mother is not going to put her life above the needs of her child. What kind of monster would do that?

Monster?

Get over yourself.

A woman that does not want to die ? And if she does the fetus may die anyway.

Monster? You trivialize a woman's health crisis.
 
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Monster?

Get over yourself.

A woman that does not want to die ? And if she does the fetus may die anyway.

Monster? You trivialize a woman's health crisis.

What's your problem, dude?

You are the one trivializing family. Mother's are biologically and genetically nurturers. They are programmed by nature, to protect their children and yes, that includes a fetus. You may trivialize a fetus as a lima bean like my friend Future, however, that's not how many soon-to-be mothers think.
 
Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

What's your problem, dude?

You are the one trivializing family. Mother's are biologically and genetically nurturers. They are programmed by nature, to protect their children and yes, that includes a fetus. You may trivialize a fetus as a lima bean like my friend Future, however, that's not how many soon-to-be mothers think.

Good Lord. A woman facing survivable death must risk her life for a life that may die with her. NOT YOUR DECISON. It is a decision between a woman and her doctors. Not some person who denigrates a woman fro her medical decisions.

Do you understand that if she dies or he body fails...so does the fetus?

I cannot believe you think a woman facing a life or death decision is a monster.

The reality is that every day when these severe situations occur post viability, C-sections are done to deliver the baby because usually that give the baby and the mother the best chance at life. That is usually what happens if the baby is viable.

When the situations occur early in pregnancy....the risk for the mother increases every day. No yours or my decision. A difficult decision between a woman and her doctors. Doctors that know her specific case...not some physician on a you tube proclaiming what no reliable physician would ever do.
 
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Good Lord. A woman facing survivable death must risk her life for a life that may die with her. NOT YOUR DECISON. It is a decision between a woman and her doctors. Not some person who denigrates a woman fro her medical decisions.

Do you understand that if she dies or he body fails...so does the fetus?

I cannot believe you think a woman facing a life or death decision is a monster.

The reality is that every day when these severe situations occur post viability, C-sections are done to deliver the baby because usually that give the baby and the mother the best chance at life. That is usually what happens if the baby is viable.

When the situations occur early in pregnancy....the risk for the mother increases every day. No yours or my decision. A difficult decision between a woman and her doctors. Doctors that know her specific case...not some physician on a you tube proclaiming what no reliable physician would ever do.

:violin

Medical Hackery.
 
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Here is the proof that abortion is never medically necessary to save the mothers life:
IN OTHER WORDS, the links I provided to you in Msg #271, while asking what sort of data might qualify for you as proof that abortions are sometimes medically necessary, meant absolutely nothing to you. You Deny Facts, just like all other abortion opponents; you are indeed someone who fails to exhibit the integrity of admitting making an error. Tsk, tsk!

Maybe this will jar some honesty into you:
Ectopic pregnancy occurs at a rate of 19.7 cases per 1,000 pregnancies in North America and is a leading cause of maternal mortality in the first trimester.
Which means those women died because they didn't get abortions. Are you trying to say that letting a person die is better than stopping a mere animal from killing her? (Are you not aware that if she lives, she can try again, and the next pregnancy might not be ectopic?)
 
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You accept the word of one snowflake as fact. Do you do the same when a snowflake disagrees with your preconceived notion?


I think I am going to exit this thread. I'm being attacked left and right by Scrabaholic, Peter King, TheGoverness, year2late, minnie616, AGENT J. It is simply just too many zealots attacking me.

You sound like the snowflake you quote above. Too funny.
 
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:violin

Medical Hackery.

You do keep piling on the nonsense don't you. And then you wonder why people "attack" (which in reality is just disproving your nonsense) your posts (because most of us push back/criticize your opinions and your posts, not you as a person).

If the only option is doing a c-section after viability to save the mothers life due to risk of imminent death or to save the life of the fetus due to complications of the pregnancy, than that is life-saving surgery, not medical hackery. To hold such an opinion is ludicrous.

Saving someone's life is not a medical hack, but a medically necessary operation with all due expertise (at least in the US).
 
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Even women who never get pregnant may have plenty of use for Planned Parenthood.

I have no problem with the other service provided by PP. Their insistence on providing abortions [as their #1 money maker] brings us to where we are now.
 
Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

You do keep piling on the nonsense don't you. And then you wonder why people "attack" (which in reality is just disproving your nonsense) your posts (because most of us push back/criticize your opinions and your posts, not you as a person).

If the only option is doing a c-section after viability to save the mothers life due to risk of imminent death or to save the life of the fetus due to complications of the pregnancy, than that is life-saving surgery, not medical hackery. To hold such an opinion is ludicrous.

Saving someone's life is not a medical hack, but a medically necessary operation with all due expertise (at least in the US).

The weird thing is that the C-section post viability saves both their lives. And apparently that is medical hackery because he saw a you tube once.:lamo
 
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I have no problem with the other service provided by PP. Their insistence on providing abortions [as their #1 money maker] brings us to where we are now.

So you aren't one of the people who call BCP and IUDs and PlanB abortofacient?
 
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Are you are there is a noisy contingent that believes this?
 
Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Are you are there is a noisy contingent that believes this?


Aware? Yes I am and I understand their opinion.

I can't stop people from using those drugs [or being irresponsible] but, I can try to stop funding PP with taxpayer monies.
 
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Aware? Yes I am and I understand their opinion.

I can't stop people from using those drugs [or being irresponsible] but, I can try to stop funding PP with taxpayer monies.

See the Hyde Act.
 
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You don't understand human nature. A mother is not going to put her life above the needs of her child. What kind of monster would do that?

When she and the unborn both might die because she delayed the best treatment to save her life?
When the unborn might have less than a 50 percent chance to reach viability before the woman dies ?
When she already has one or two little ones at home who she loves and who love her and are counting on mom to be there to care for and to love them?
 
Re: Seattle Storm holds pregame rally supporting Planned Parenthood, amid mild protes

Who is the largest provider of abortion? Trying to unlink abortions from Planned Parenthood is impossible.

I have no problem with the other service provided by PP.
Their insistence on providing abortions [as their #1 money maker] brings us to where we are now.

As I stated before many Planned Parenthood do not perform abortions.
There are 39 Planned Parenthoods in Texas.
5 perform abortions which means

34 ( out of 39 ) of the Planned Parenthoods in Texas DO NOT PERFORM abortions


There are 39 Planned Parenthood clinics operating in Texas.
Only 5 perform abortions,

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2015/09/18/what-is-left-of-planned-parenthood-in-texas
 
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As I stated before many Planned Parenthood do not perform abortions.
There are 39 Planned Parenthoods in Texas.
5 perform abortions which means

34 ( out of 39 ) of the Planned Parenthoods in Texas DO NOT PERFORM abortions




https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2015/09/18/what-is-left-of-planned-parenthood-in-texas

and those numbers are also true for PA and Ohio last I looked where only 10% of the PPs in the state actually do abortions.

It just further proves the the ignorance of the laughable PP which hunt LMAO. The majority of the time its based on lies, fantasy or pure biased feelings. its entertaining watching people lose their **** over just mentioning PP because its void of reality.
 
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