Roger Goodell tells NFL owners ‘everyone should stand for the national anthem’

[Grand Mal]

Didn't the NFL ban the dancing in the end zone?

I don't know. I seldom watch it. I just remember an urge to throw a paper cupful of beer onto the field, from my livingroom chair.

 

[blackjack50]

White conservatives are snowflakes, you can’t really blame them for being triggered by all this.

LMAO! The irony of this statement is hilarious.

 

[blackjack50]

This has been the dumbest debate I have seen in a while. [Why aren't these assclowns talking to their local police departments and sheriff offices?

Oh yea. Because the American education system decided their careers as football players were more important than giving the basic 6th grade civics classes. Morons.

 

[AlbqOwl]

White conservatives are snowflakes, you can’t really blame them for being triggered by all this.

Well maybe some of them will be politically incorrect and let's see how the snowflakes on your side react to that. Maybe in the same triggering way they reacted to a coach kneeling in prayer after a game or when Tebow did that and then sometimes whole groups of players. Those folks weren't protesting nor were they disrespecting anybody or anything but they sure caught hell for it by the 'offended' leftists.

 

[vegas giants]

This has been the dumbest debate I have seen in a while. [Why aren't these assclowns talking to their local police departments and sheriff offices?

Oh yea. Because the American education system decided their careers as football players were more important than giving the basic 6th grade civics classes. Morons.

You want them arrested?

 

[vegas giants]

Well maybe some of them will be waving the Confederate flag during the National Anthem and lets see how the snowflakes on your side react.

They are free to do so

 

[JasperL]

That was never the argument. I am sure players have not stood in the past but they didn't advertise they were doing it to disrespect the flag and nation.

It's the explicit argument being made ON THIS THREAD and several others on this topic. Give me a break. :roll:

I obviously exaggerated a bit, but there are many right wingers all over the media who claim that kneeling is disrespecting "the troops." That is a bull**** argument. It's not a comment on "the troops" at all. And if it's a comment on "the troops" or police or anyone else, it can be a comment on anything at all really, and we can all make up what those players are disrespecting, such as freedom and the American way, when they kneel during the anthem, instead of taking their stated reasons into account and addressing those.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

I love this issue. It proves once and for all that conservatives are closet authoritarians. If their support for the government arresting you for sodomy in your own home didn't prove that, this coerced mandatory acts of patriotism proves it.

When conservatives talk about "freedom" and "the flag" I laugh. They're clueless.

Fortunately, in the end, liberals always win. Someday we'll think about these clowns the same way we do about the House on Un-American Activities Committee. Same nonsense every time.

No point in arguing with completely irrational people. If getting worked up about some people kneeling isn't irrational then nothing is.

 

[AlbqOwl]

They are free to do so

They are free to do so, but they would be resented and criticized by people from BOTH sides were some to do that. And the discussion in the media and on message boards would go viral immediately.

Just as at least the patriots among us--that would be a substantial majority of us--resent and criticize those who disrespect the flag, our country, our military, our police officers, and all patriots when they do that, most especially when their grievances--most have no clue what their grievances even are--have absolutely nothing to do with our flag and National Anthem.

 

[JasperL]

This has been the dumbest debate I have seen in a while. [Why aren't these assclowns talking to their local police departments and sheriff offices?

Oh yea. Because the American education system decided their careers as football players were more important than giving the basic 6th grade civics classes. Morons.

Yes, of course, they are morons because they're not doing civics like you want them to do it! Brilliant stuff there. Do you know anything about Colin Kaepernick's off the field activities, for example? I can tell you for a fact they go beyond taking a knee at a ballgame, but you're pretending that it's A OR B and not A and B and C and maybe D and E and F when you take the larger group of people protesting with him. But easier to dismiss them all as morons than acquire any actual facts.

 

[holbritter]

Can you answer the question?

No, he won't.

 

[JasperL]

The NFL players, when kneeling has nothing to do with honoring God or Jesus. Most of them are kneeling on one knee. If they kneeled on two knees, I could understand, but not one.

And it has nothing to do with ISIS, who also require people to kneel on two knees before executution, but don't let your inconsistency get in the way of your moronic straw man!! :lamo

 

[holbritter]

If any owner finds it disrespectful he is free to fire the player.....but he won't

We heard you the first 100 times.

 

[blackjack50]

You want them arrested?

How did you get that from my statement? I suppose I could be more clear.

No. I want the players who believe they should be protesting...to go protest at the place that matters. The ballot box. The police station. They can vote. Each department has their own constituency. They have their own training standards that are mandated by their state. They have department policies and department hiring standards. I fail to see how this is a national problem...when the issue is very much local and state. But I don't expect these poorly educated players to understand this. It isn't like they got a real college education.

I mean seriously. Imagine how much sway a big time pro baller would have if he spoke up to his local department? I mean my local city PD is awesome. Very highly rated. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But there are some idiots who blame my local Leo's for problems they don't have because of something someone did in another department.

 

[blackjack50]

Yes, of course, they are morons because they're not doing civics like you want them to do it! Brilliant stuff there. Do you know anything about Colin Kaepernick's off the field activities, for example? I can tell you for a fact they go beyond taking a knee at a ballgame, but you're pretending that it's A OR B and not A and B and C and maybe D and E and F when you take the larger group of people protesting with him. But easier to dismiss them all as morons than acquire any actual facts.

It IS easy to dismiss them as morons because they treat this like it is a problem for the nation. It isn't. It is a state and local one. Period. And trying to act like it is a national problem is a ****ing joke. And that is what they have done.

 

[Bodi]

It's the explicit argument being made ON THIS THREAD and several others on this topic. Give me a break. :roll:

I obviously exaggerated a bit, but there are many right wingers all over the media who claim that kneeling is disrespecting "the troops." That is a bull**** argument. It's not a comment on "the troops" at all. And if it's a comment on "the troops" or police or anyone else, it can be a comment on anything at all really, and we can all make up what those players are disrespecting, such as freedom and the American way, when they kneel during the anthem, instead of taking their stated reasons into account and addressing those.

What makes it disrespectful is that they are protesting during the anthem and flag. They are literally being disrespectful. They could protest before or after. I have not heard anybody against what they are protesting (save me the extreme racist who is) it is how they are protesting.

 

[JasperL]

No. There should be no taking a knee for any cause. Do it before or after. Would you take a knee at a wedding for some cause. Nope. That is disrespectful.

I guess I can see that taking a knee during some ceremonies involving the flag and national anthem are off limits, but this is a fake patriotic display put on by the NFL, a game played by adults, to make more money - it's marketing, a money making ploy. If they made more money not putting on the anthem, they'd end it tomorrow. For years they were in fact paid by the feds to put on these displays - "we'll pay you $millions to do more fake displays of patriotism."

So I guess I just cannot get upset about some player kneeling for THAT event. Or at least I don't get any more upset about that than I do about people in the stadium who are in line to buy beer and hotdogs and peanuts, or who are still in the parking lot, or who play with their phones during it, or are taking a last bathroom break at home before the game starts on TV, or finishing up some nachos and getting beers for everyone.

If this was a funeral for a soldier killed in combat, OK, I agree, don't ever take a knee. But this is an NFL game for goodness sake....

 

[ludin]

Years of the NFL hiring and having Wife beaters, GF beaters, Man slaughterers, etc in it. Jerry Jones, Trump, Pence and the millions of phony Conservatives all looked the other way and happily supported the NFL. But now a few guys kneel, and all these same phonies all butt hurt.

This country is loaded with gullible, ignorant people.

the irony of this post is amazing.

i do believe that you are 100% wrong in this regard. We expect if those events occur that the people that do them are head responsible for their actions
regardless if they are in the NFL or not.

 

[Bodi]

I guess I can see that taking a knee during some ceremonies involving the flag and national anthem are off limits, but this is a fake patriotic display put on by the NFL, a game played by adults, to make more money - it's marketing, a money making ploy. If they made more money not putting on the anthem, they'd end it tomorrow. For years they were in fact paid by the feds to put on these displays - "we'll pay you $millions to do more fake displays of patriotism."

So I guess I just cannot get upset about some player kneeling for THAT event. Or at least I don't get any more upset about that than I do about people in the stadium who are in line to buy beer and hotdogs and peanuts, or who are still in the parking lot, or who play with their phones during it, or are taking a last bathroom break at home before the game starts on TV, or finishing up some nachos and getting beers for everyone.

If this was a funeral for a soldier killed in combat, OK, I agree, don't ever take a knee. But this is an NFL game for goodness sake....

Woah. You are fast. I am on my phone during a storm. Lol

I agree actually getting upset is ridiculous.. for myself I am just pointing out that it is disrespectful.

NFL players did their cause a dis-service by tsking Kapernick's lead. They should have taken the message and repackaged it... ESPECIALLY after the backlash started. Instead they doubled down... refused to listen to the objections and in some cases (commentators) started insulting those that objected to the manner of protest.

Inwish that the NFL players would listen and change when they protest so this will all end and all of America could get behind them.

 

[AlbqOwl]

It IS easy to dismiss them as morons because they treat this like it is a problem for the nation. It isn't. It is a state and local one. Period. And trying to act like it is a national problem is a ****ing joke. And that is what they have done.

My quarrel is that they are disrespecting a flag and National Anthem that has ZERO to do with any perceived misbehavior of local police departments. It is futile, helps nothing, disrespects all who have stood up for and defended that flag, so many at a terrible cost, and other symbols of a great nation, and sets a terrible example for the young to whom they should be role models. Probably most don't even have a clue what they are protesting or demonstrating for. And given all the evil, hatred, violence, murder, and mayhem in the world, the very flag and National Anthem they are disrespecting offer the best hope for a better world for everybody. The fact that things are imperfect now is in no way the fault of that flag or our National Anthem.

 

[vegas giants]

What makes it disrespectful is that they are protesting during the anthem and flag. They are literally being disrespectful. They could protest before or after. I have not heard anybody against what they are protesting (save me the extreme racist who is) it is how they are protesting.

Protesting a soldier's funeral (westboro church), have a klan parade in a town where blacks live and having a nazi speech in a town where jews live are all disrespectful. But we should not stop them

 

[Bodi]

Protesting a soldier's funeral (westboro church), have a klan parade in a town where blacks live and having a nazi speech in a town where jews live are all disrespectful. But we should not stop them

I didn't say they should stop protesting.

I am saying people claiming it is not disrespectful are wrong.

 

[JasperL]

And if you stood while the rest of the congregation knelt in prayer, wouldn't it be safe to assume that you were disrespecting them, their church and their god?

That is moving the goal posts on my comment, but I'll play along.

It depends, doesn't it? If you're at a wedding for a Muslim couple and you're not a Muslim, it's not a sign of disrespect not to participate in prayers to a God that you don't worship or believe in. Are you going to bow down in prayer if you're in that situation? I doubt it, but you can still respect their religion AND not participate in their religious ceremonies that assume you are a believer in it. In fact, you'd be a hypocrite to participate just so you don't look out of place.

I've been to many Catholic weddings where attendees who are not Catholic do not participate in communion, and I don't see that as disrespect, just an acknowledgment that they do not believe in the premise of communion or the Catholic faith. They often will not join in the community prayers that are so often part of those weddings.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Protesting a soldier's funeral (westboro church), have a klan parade in a town where blacks live and having a nazi speech in a town where jews live are all disrespectful. But we should not stop them

If I had an employee who joined Westoboro and protested a soldier's funeral, I'd fire him.

The NFL will soon be punishing players who kneel.

 

[HenryChinaski]

People need to stop spewing their crap about white conservatives being the ones that are solely offended by the flag/anthem protests.

68% of Americans thinks it's wrong.

Right, the same people who are cracking beers and scratching their nut sacks when they’re watching football on TV and the anthem is played.