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Rising conservative activist Candace Owens criticized over Hitler comments

You make a valid point. She should have said something like, "If all he wanted to do was make Germany efficient and prosperous, then OK fine, but of course he unleashed the dogs internally and externally", or words to that effect, it would have been much better.

Bottom line still remains that she was NOT defending Hitler, and you know it.

No, she just attempted to defend nationalism by picking one of the most famous examples of hyper-nationalism being responsible for tens of millions of deaths.
 
No, she just attempted to defend nationalism by picking one of the most famous examples of hyper-nationalism being responsible for tens of millions of deaths.

What I have difficulty with is understanding how someone could lump "Hitler" and "Good Thing" into the same thought REGARDLESS of what it was that was done.

Making the assumption that at least one of the things that were done in 1935 - 45 Germany was a "Good Thing", Personally I wouldn't ascribe that "Good Thing" to Adolf Hitler rather than merely thinking that the THING ITSELF was a "Good Thing".

PS - Please note the bit in red letters and do not come asking me for a list of "Good Things" that were done in 1935 - 45 Germany.

PPS - "Tigerace" that PS is not directed to you, but to those who don't bother to read for content/context.
 
No, she just attempted to defend nationalism by picking one of the most famous examples of hyper-nationalism being responsible for tens of millions of deaths.

Hitler was an expansionist. Nationalists aren't necessarily that.
 
Nationalism is always associated with White Supremacist doctrines, fascism etc.....Terrible stuff

Not necessarily. People who resisted Soviet or US imperialism often did it in the name of nationalism. Of course, neither Russian or US nationalists admitted that they were imperialist.
 
Hitler was an expansionist. Nationalists aren't necessarily that.

Expansionism is often a crucial part of nationalism; territorial gain is seen as the clearest sign that a nation is becoming “great again”. Japanese and Italian ultranationalists were extremely expansionist as well, for instance.
 
What’s wrong with nationalism?

Depends on your definition of a nation. There are nations defined along ethnic lines that don't have a state. For example the Kurds. They are a nation, but without a state. So the question is which group of people or ethnicity is the American "nation?"
 
Expansionism is often a crucial part of nationalism; territorial gain is seen as the clearest sign that a nation is becoming “great again”. Japanese and Italian ultranationalists were extremely expansionist as well, for instance.

Yes they were. That still doesn't change the fact that one does not have to with the other.
 
Anyway, all the various forms of democracy were invented in nation states. Places where the entire population felt some sort of common identity. Where one lot could lose an election but believe that they might win the next one and, crucially, that those in power would peacefully hand it over. Nearly every African country is not a nation state but one made up of many tribes who manifestly do NOT feel the sense of common identity that would allow 'democracy' to happen, which is the main reason why democracy just has not happened is nearly all the African continent.

Which is why I believe the world needs more nationalism - and why those who try to divide the US into separate 'nations' are dangerous enemies of democracy.

Gandhi was a nationalist. So was Hitler, even though he had some globalist ideas.

The Nation state was invented as nothing more than the replacement for the feudal state. A state that is run by and for the inhabitants, rather than a set of nobles.
That usually (but not always) means civil rights, representative democracy, and some form of constitution. Things you don't have when you have a feudal lord.
In Europe, most states became true nation states around 1848, and you will find a lot of constitutions from around this time. Many copy heavily from the American and French constitutions.

In fact, a whole new set of tyrants had to be (re)invented for the powerful to subvert the nation state for their own purposes. But by appealing to tribalism you get much the same effect with Nation states as when using tribalism to subvert religion, race, dietary habits, sex, etc. You get people who despise those not of the tribe and are prepared to do nasty things to them, or at least look the other way when it is being done. Identity politics is no recent invention. Crusades, Jihads, toxic feminism/masculinity, and racism, are all manifestations of tribalism. When it comes down to it, they are just different labels for the same driving emotions.

So it may seem unreasonable that the Nation state is singled out for conflation with such hate and stupidity, but it is hardly surprising.
Nation states have been the movers and shakers in all of recent history, so they are what people connect with the horrors of war and persecution. Gavril Princip was a Nationalist, and him kicking off WW1 was way too easy because of other Nationalists. Of course when you look back, non-nation states warred with much greater frequency, since those in power and with something to gain were much more isolated from the consequences thereof than in a Nation state. But that is hypothetical and too vague for most people to grasp, so regrettably many are fine with dissolving the nation state in favor of a new set of feudal'ish entities.
 
Yes they were. That still doesn't change the fact that one does not have to with the other.

Over and over and over again nationalists have promoted territorial expansion. It’s practically an integral part of the ideology. Look at Serbia in the run up to WW1 for another example.
 
Over and over and over again nationalists have promoted territorial expansion. It’s practically an integral part of the ideology. Look at Serbia in the run up to WW1 for another example.

And Russia today. I agree. I'm just saying it's possible to be a nationalist without being expansionist. In fact, it could go the other way into isolationism. The U.S. in bending over backwards to not participate in either WW is an example.
 
If you're looking for an actual conversation, you're barking up the wrong tree with this guy. He will NEVER engage you in a genuine manner.

Too Funny...You still here defending this Pro Hitler moron?.....Pathetic....NAZIS Suck.....Not much needs to be said
 
Too Funny...You still here defending this Pro Hitler moron?.....Pathetic....NAZIS Suck.....Not much needs to be said

your jealous because she is beautiful and intelligent.
 
Too Funny...You still here defending this Pro Hitler moron?.....Pathetic....NAZIS Suck.....Not much needs to be said

Listen up, Bolshevik. If you think that judging a person by their character and not giving a rat's ass about the color of their skin is racist then you really are a pathetic human-****ing-being.
 
Listen up, Bolshevik. If you think that judging a person by their character and not giving a rat's ass about the color of their skin is racist then you really are a pathetic human-****ing-being.

You angry White Neo Nationalists talk tough but sure are sensitive...Like little snowflakes
 
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