Riddle Me This, Republicans

[Obscurity]

If Trump cared so much about Corruption, and sees Ukraine as corrupt:

1. Why did he not use our own government and our own LE which Trump has BROAD authority over to investigate Biden?

2. Why rely on a universally "corrupt" government, like Ukraine, to investigate US citizens?

Why is it acceptable that Trump's hypocrisy on this issue is normalized? You don't get to say we're not giving you aid because we're concerned you're corrupt, but, we want you to investigate a US Citizen.

This doesn't square. The defense makes no sense.

 

[tres borrachos]

If Trump cared so much about Corruption, and sees Ukraine as corrupt:

1. Why did he not use our own government and our own LE which Trump has BROAD authority over to investigate Biden?

2. Why rely on a universally "corrupt" government, like Ukraine, to investigate US citizens?

Why is it acceptable that Trump's hypocrisy on this issue is normalized? You don't get to say we're not giving you aid because we're concerned you're corrupt, but, we want you to investigate a US Citizen.

This doesn't square. The defense makes no sense.

You're askng Trump fans to actually have to think? They can't.

Everyone who an IQ above room temperature doesn't support Trump to begin with, but assuming there are one or two exceptions to that, they would know that your questions are quite valid and have no answer.

But they also subscribe to whatever talking points they are provided by Trump and Hannity, like good foot soldiers.

 

[haymarket]

If Trump cared so much about Corruption, and sees Ukraine as corrupt:

1. Why did he not use our own government and our own LE which Trump has BROAD authority over to investigate Biden?

2. Why rely on a universally "corrupt" government, like Ukraine, to investigate US citizens?

Why is it acceptable that Trump's hypocrisy on this issue is normalized? You don't get to say we're not giving you aid because we're concerned you're corrupt, but, we want you to investigate a US Citizen.

This doesn't square. The defense makes no sense.

Good questions. And another might be which foreign nation besides Ukraine did Trump push to clean up corruption in his three years at our helm?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Even better, why is the first time in nearly 3 years he's showed any interest at all in reducing corruption anywhere is with a conspiracy theory he invented about his political rival?

 

[Lutherf]

If Trump cared so much about Corruption, and sees Ukraine as corrupt:

1. Why did he not use our own government and our own LE which Trump has BROAD authority over to investigate Biden?

2. Why rely on a universally "corrupt" government, like Ukraine, to investigate US citizens?

Why is it acceptable that Trump's hypocrisy on this issue is normalized? You don't get to say we're not giving you aid because we're concerned you're corrupt, but, we want you to investigate a US Citizen.

This doesn't square. The defense makes no sense.

Probably because he wasn't asking anyone to investigate Biden. As was testified to yesterday by witnesses hand picked by the Democrats, Trump was asking that corruption related to the 2016 campaign be investigated. The Biden stuff was more about investigating a potentially problematic relationship between Burisma (with Hunter Biden on the board) and Joe Biden who was the point man for Ukraine policy. The hand picked witnesses ALSO acknowledged the potentially problematic nature of that setup.

 

[j brown's body]

Interestingly, while the right-wing claim he is so concerned about corruption, which is, of course, absurd considering the corruption running rife throughout his own administration, he never once mentioned a concern about Ukrainian corruption.

 

[calamity]

If Trump cared so much about Corruption, and sees Ukraine as corrupt:

1. Why did he not use our own government and our own LE which Trump has BROAD authority over to investigate Biden?

2. Why rely on a universally "corrupt" government, like Ukraine, to investigate US citizens?

Why is it acceptable that Trump's hypocrisy on this issue is normalized? You don't get to say we're not giving you aid because we're concerned you're corrupt, but, we want you to investigate a US Citizen.

This doesn't square. The defense makes no sense.

Obviously, you are using common sense and logic. Both are traits our friends on the Right lack.

 

[Obscurity]

Probably because he wasn't asking anyone to investigate Biden. As was testified to yesterday by witnesses hand picked by the Democrats, Trump was asking that corruption related to the 2016 campaign be investigated. The Biden stuff was more about investigating a potentially problematic relationship between Burisma (with Hunter Biden on the board) and Joe Biden who was the point man for Ukraine policy. The hand picked witnesses ALSO acknowledged the potentially problematic nature of that setup.

No.

You didn't answer the question.

1. The "Witnesses" Aren't being allowed to testify - So please, explain to me your defense of "second hand info" when the admin is not allowing "first hand info" to be testified?

2. Testimony yesterday indicates Trump specifically cared about Biden. Why is it that almost 3 years into his term, he is asking for an investigation into this? He had 3 years to get an investigation done with our own apparatus, and he didn't. Why not?

3. If Ukraine is so corrupt, and Trump is concerned about corruption, why ask a "corrupt" government to investigate anything at all related to any US citizens? We can't possibly be expected to believe that Ukraine would do so in a "uncorrupt" way if we're withholding aid because we believe they are corrupt.

Your defenses of this are not fitting together. Explain, enumerated, as above.

 

[j brown's body]

Probably because he wasn't asking anyone to investigate Biden. As was testified to yesterday by witnesses hand picked by the Democrats, Trump was asking that corruption related to the 2016 campaign be investigated. The Biden stuff was more about investigating a potentially problematic relationship between Burisma (with Hunter Biden on the board) and Joe Biden who was the point man for Ukraine policy. The hand picked witnesses ALSO acknowledged the potentially problematic nature of that setup.

But nothing about Ukraine corruption. Just an effort to weasel out of his Russian connections from 2016 and hinder his political opponent for 2020.

 

[Obscurity]

You're askng Trump fans to actually have to think? They can't.

Everyone who an IQ above room temperature doesn't support Trump to begin with, but assuming there are one or two exceptions to that, they would know that your questions are quite valid and have no answer.

But they also subscribe to whatever talking points they are provided by Trump and Hannity, like good foot soldiers.

Fox news, had it existed in the 70's, very well may have saved Nixon's presidency. They are poised to do the same here. They are unwilling to report honestly, and clog up the airwaves of "reporting" with 4+ hours of trumpian psychopathy every single night from 6-10 o'clock.

They are the final bastion that is saving Trump. The sole reason his numbers are as high as they are can be directly correlated to Fox news.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I just don't know what the fuss is all about. Trump was making friends with the new Ukrainian president. One way make friends is to ask them to do you a 'favor.' Then, they feel you owe them a favor in return. The next thing you know, you're making deals and throwing parties and you're lifelong chums.

So I ask, what's a little favor between friends?:lol:

 

[tres borrachos]

Fox news, had it existed in the 70's, very well may have saved Nixon's presidency. They are poised to do the same here. They are unwilling to report honestly, and clog up the airwaves of "reporting" with 4+ hours of trumpian psychopathy every single night from 6-10 o'clock.

They are the final bastion that is saving Trump. The sole reason his numbers are as high as they are can be directly correlated to Fox news.

Not enought Independents watch Fox News. Just Trump fans, and they're stupid and will support him no matter what he does.

 

[3leftsdoo]

If Trump cared so much about Corruption, and sees Ukraine as corrupt:

1. Why did he not use our own government and our own LE which Trump has BROAD authority over to investigate Biden?

2. Why rely on a universally "corrupt" government, like Ukraine, to investigate US citizens?

Why is it acceptable that Trump's hypocrisy on this issue is normalized? You don't get to say we're not giving you aid because we're concerned you're corrupt, but, we want you to investigate a US Citizen.

This doesn't square. The defense makes no sense.

If it doesn't fit, you MUST acquit!

:thumbs:

What the Democrats have = Nothing

 

[Pound4abrown]

Good questions. And another might be which foreign nation besides Ukraine did Trump push to clean up corruption in his three years at our helm?

 

[Pound4abrown]

Probably because he wasn't asking anyone to investigate Biden. As was testified to yesterday by witnesses hand picked by the Democrats, Trump was asking that corruption related to the 2016 campaign be investigated. The Biden stuff was more about investigating a potentially problematic relationship between Burisma (with Hunter Biden on the board) and Joe Biden who was the point man for Ukraine policy. The hand picked witnesses ALSO acknowledged the potentially problematic nature of that setup.

So saying his name on the call was what? Tourette's? If he didn't ask anyone to investigate Biden, why did he ask them to investigate Biden?

 

[Carleen]

Probably because he wasn't asking anyone to investigate Biden. As was testified to yesterday by witnesses hand picked by the Democrats, Trump was asking that corruption related to the 2016 campaign be investigated. The Biden stuff was more about investigating a potentially problematic relationship between Burisma (with Hunter Biden on the board) and Joe Biden who was the point man for Ukraine policy. The hand picked witnesses ALSO acknowledged the potentially problematic nature of that setup.

So why are the people who were in on the call told not to testify? If there was nothing wrong with the call, the proof is not being allowed. This makes no sense.

 

[Obscurity]

Not enought Independents watch Fox News. Just Trump fans, and they're stupid and will support him no matter what he does.

In a poll I read not too long ago, 55% of republicans polled who primarily watch or read fox news state there is nothing at all the President can do that would get them to support impeachment.

ONLY 29% of republicans who used other networks for their news felt the same.

That is a large, large gulf and shows explicitly how venomous and cancerous state propaganda is.

 

[Obscurity]

If it doesn't fit, you MUST acquit!

:thumbs:

What the Democrats have = Nothing

If you're not willing to reply to my inquiry (which you've failed to do in every exchange we've had about impeachment) then this is the last reply you'll get from me.

Explain away, 3lefts, or fade into silence.

 

[calamity]

If it doesn't fit, you MUST acquit!

:thumbs:

What the Democrats have = Nothing

You're right about Trump being as guilty as OJ.

 

[tres borrachos]

Probably because he wasn't asking anyone to investigate Biden. As was testified to yesterday by witnesses hand picked by the Democrats, Trump was asking that corruption related to the 2016 campaign be investigated. The Biden stuff was more about investigating a potentially problematic relationship between Burisma (with Hunter Biden on the board) and Joe Biden who was the point man for Ukraine policy. The hand picked witnesses ALSO acknowledged the potentially problematic nature of that setup.

I hope you didn't type this with a straight face.

 

[Obscurity]

Not enought Independents watch Fox News. Just Trump fans, and they're stupid and will support him no matter what he does.

Your messages are full, btw. I can't reply until you delete some.

 

[swing_voter]

Yes, the Ukrainian government is corrupt, but that doesn't mean any evidence of wrongdoing they uncovered is automatically discarded. It would have to bare extra scrutiny is all.

Presidents ask other governments for help all the time with all kinds of things.

Trump made a mistake by asking the Ukrainians for help, but was it a crime? Nope.

 

[tres borrachos]

Your messages are full, btw. I can't reply until you delete some.

i just cleared out some roon.:mrgreen:

 

[apdst]

If Trump cared so much about Corruption, and sees Ukraine as corrupt:

1. Why did he not use our own government and our own LE which Trump has BROAD authority over to investigate Biden?

2. Why rely on a universally "corrupt" government, like Ukraine, to investigate US citizens?

Why is it acceptable that Trump's hypocrisy on this issue is normalized? You don't get to say we're not giving you aid because we're concerned you're corrupt, but, we want you to investigate a US Citizen.

This doesn't square. The defense makes no sense.

The FBI and CIA can't be trusted. It's obvious that they're on a mission to undermine his administration.

 

[Obscurity]

The FBI and CIA can't be trusted. It's obvious that they're on a mission to undermine his administration.

Please do the following:

Reply to the points as enumerated.

Please provide proof that your statement that the FBI and CIA can't be trusted to investigate appropriately.