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Obama let a ton of criminals out who had gun crimes on thier record. Are you sure that's what your ilk wants?

No he didn't.

Isn't it amazing to see how misinformed many allegedly "informed" conservatives really are when it comes to basic facts and current events?

The FACTS:

Obama commuted or pardoned only ONE person convicted of a gun crime.....a South Carolina man convicted of armed robbery in 1974 and sentenced to 15 years in prison.....who was "mysteriously" never released or paroled almost 30 after the expiration of his sentence. Other than that, Obama's commutations and pardons were almost exclusively for non-violent drug offenders and white color criminals.

One thing we know about YOUR "ilk" is that the truth is not essential to your ideology.
 
No he didn't.

Isn't it amazing to see how misinformed many allegedly "informed" conservatives really are when it comes to basic facts and current events?

The FACTS:

Obama commuted or pardoned only ONE person convicted of a gun crime.....a South Carolina man convicted of armed robbery in 1974 and sentenced to 15 years in prison.....who was "mysteriously" never released or paroled almost 30 after the expiration of his sentence. Other than that, Obama's commutations and pardons were almost exclusively for non-violent drug offenders and white color criminals.

One thing we know about YOUR "ilk" is that the truth is not essential to your ideology.


that's not true. I have to find my thread on this. There were numerous released who had charges of "in possession of a gun" while the crime was committed charges.
 
Wrong.

General Social Survey

American Gun Ownership Drops to Lowest in 40 Years

The percentage of Americans who are gun owners has been trending steadily DOWNWARD since the 1970's.

However, give that this FACT completely destroys your entire argument, above. But I don't expect you to acknowledge it.

Gun crime rates have been decreasing since the 90's, though. You're right about that. You'll just have to get over NRA/FoxNews promoted lies that you've been given as explanations.

you are either lying or ignoring the facts. we don't know how many people own guns. what we do know is how many guns have been sold at retail since the brady bill was imposed

we also know how many CCW licenses have been issued. and in both cases, we conclude that the NUMBER of firearms in society has gone way up as have the number of people carrying
 
No he didn't.

Isn't it amazing to see how misinformed many allegedly "informed" conservatives really are when it comes to basic facts and current events?

The FACTS:

Obama commuted or pardoned only ONE person convicted of a gun crime.....a South Carolina man convicted of armed robbery in 1974 and sentenced to 15 years in prison.....who was "mysteriously" never released or paroled almost 30 after the expiration of his sentence. Other than that, Obama's commutations and pardons were almost exclusively for non-violent drug offenders and white color criminals.

One thing we know about YOUR "ilk" is that the truth is not essential to your ideology.

its fun watching those who hate the NRA as you do, pretending its your side that is based on truth when you all aren't even honest in your motivations.
 
No he didn't.

Isn't it amazing to see how misinformed many allegedly "informed" conservatives really are when it comes to basic facts and current events?

The FACTS:

Obama commuted or pardoned only ONE person convicted of a gun crime.....a South Carolina man convicted of armed robbery in 1974 and sentenced to 15 years in prison.....who was "mysteriously" never released or paroled almost 30 after the expiration of his sentence. Other than that, Obama's commutations and pardons were almost exclusively for non-violent drug offenders and white color criminals.

One thing we know about YOUR "ilk" is that the truth is not essential to your ideology.


Commutations Granted by President Barack Obama (2009-2017)
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-commutations

I started through the list (A-F) I found 7 people with firearm related crimes!

Your 1 person Gun stat is wrong.
 
Hmmm

the US population in 1978.. was 222 million. At 50%.. that's 111 million gun owners

The US population in 2017.. was 326 million. Assuming that 36% is correct that's 117 million gun owners.

Now unless we are using "ultmd" math.. 117 million is still higher than 111 million.

:roll: Now I'll just allow you to review my previous remarks regarding PERCENTAGE of gun owners, and then re-think the relevance of what you are saying about total gun owners.

Yawn.. nope. but I tell you what.. link to the poll and its methods. Lets examine the reliability and validity of the poll and any potential bias. I will await with baited breath on your ability to produce the poll and its methodology.

LOL, can't even define "validity" and "reliability", remember? We established that much in the Health Care thread, back when you were pretending to be a "doctor". I've already posted links to the most most recent General Social Survey and a recent WaPo article which cites multiple recent polls (Gallup, CBS, etc.). But let's not pretend that you are going to "examine" anything. You'll just take the GSS results and live with them.

Sure they are.. that's what UNIVERSAL background checks are. Every time a firearm is transferred.
Geez,....no that is NOT what it means, at all. Read a little. You're just proving that there is nothing that NRA nuts will accept, beyond the ambiguous "mental health" canard.

Hmmm.. one of the last bills to increase mental health access was cosponsored BY A REPUBLICAN. Your level of dishonesty is well documented.

:roll:More deflection. It takes ONE republican to co-sponsor a bill. It requires leadership in both chambers to actually pass a bill. Republican leadership in both chambers killed it. So the dishonesty here is clear (yet again). I said nothing about who sponsorship. I said that republicans JUST BLOCKED a mental health bill from passing a few weeks ago. That is a FACT.

Nope. Look.. even Obama realized that there simply is not the support for gun control that you claim there is.
:lamo Typical. When the FACTS discredit the position of a Trumpster.......he just clings (like grim death) to his delusions. I'm sorry to have destroyed another one delusions, Jaeger. Where did you get this one from, Hannity, O'Reilly or Bannon? lol.

That's funny. The actual evidence showed no statistically significant correlation between the AWB and assault weapons/crime. That's the facts.
Only in NRA-nut world. And you guys don't really count. The facts are that the assault weapons ban of '94 worked, even with it's limitations........and that gun control has worked in every western democratic country that has adopted it. You know this. You just can't acknowledge it because your ego and ideology are involved.

First.. its really questionable on those polls of whether the percentage of Americans owning firearms has been steadily decreasing.
LOL....no it's really not. Your ability to grasp the material is what's "questionable". But that's EXACTLY what I'd expect from an ideologue whose trying to dabble in academia.
 
Commutations Granted by President Barack Obama (2009-2017)
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-commutations

I started through the list (A-F) I found 7 people with firearm related crimes!

Your 1 person Gun stat is wrong.


"Gun crimes" vs "Fire-arm related crimes".

You might want to clarify your standards for this discussion. Perhaps you are using more "generous" standards than necessary. For example, possession of a weapon while committing a crime, and use of a weapon to commit a crime.....are two different standards.

Someone said Obama released a "ton" of people convicted of gun crimes. That was obviously just nonsense.

I am aware of ONE such example (an armed robbery case)...which I listed. If you found 7, please list them.

But Obama clearly didn't release "a ton" of violent criminals. Make sure you press that point with the guy who claimed "a ton", ok?
 
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"Gun crimes" vs "Fire-arm related crimes".

You might want to clarify your standards for this discussion. Perhaps you are using more "generous" standards than necessary. For example, possession of a weapon while committing a crime, and use of a weapon to commit a crime.....are two different standards.

Someone said Obama released a "ton" of people convicted of gun crimes. That was obviously just nonsense.

I am aware of ONE such example (an armed robbery case)...which I listed. If you found 7, please list them.

But Obama clearly didn't release "a ton" of violent criminals. Make sure you press that point with the guy who claimed "a ton", ok?

You can look for yourself. He (Obama) did release more than one! You can make any points you want with the other poster.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-commutations
 
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that's not true. I have to find my thread on this. There were numerous released who had charges of "in possession of a gun" while the crime was committed charges.

Ok, well..........first, you didn't say "in possession of a gun". You said "gun crimes". Also, please define "a ton". Perhaps that's the problem here.

And there is a big difference between having a gun, and using a gun to commit a crime.
 
Ok, well..........first, you didn't say "in possession of a gun". You said "gun crimes". Also, please define "a ton". Perhaps that's the problem here.

And there is a big difference between having a gun, and using a gun to commit a crime.

All you can do is play word games! Please admit you had wrong information. It's OK because everyone on the thread knows it.
 
You can look for yourself. He (Obama) did release more than one! You can make any points you want with the other poster.

Fair enough. But you still haven't defined "firearm related crimes".

Being in possession of a gun is hardly the same thing as using a gun to commit a crime. I suspect that most of those "7" involved people who just happened to have a gun when arrested, as opposed to people who used a gun to commit violent crimes.
 
All you can do is play word games! Please admit you had wrong information. It's OK because everyone on the thread knows it.



LOL, word games? I was actually being polite in hopes that you could explain yourself better the next time.

I'm not the one using vague, broad terms of discussion like "firearm related". I'm the one trying to make some sense out of what a few of you are saying.

My guess is that I'm right, and that most (if not all) of the "firearm related" examples you mentioned were simply non-violent drug possession cases.

And spare me the group-dynamics drivel until you have something to say about the "ton" comments.
 
:roll: Now I'll just allow you to review my previous remarks regarding PERCENTAGE of gun owners, and then re-think the relevance of what you are saying about total gun owners.

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LOL.. you were wrong regarding the number of guns and gun owners in America.

LOL, can't even define "validity" and "reliability", remember? We established that much in the Health Care thread, back when you were pretending to be a "doctor". I've already posted links to the most most recent General Social Survey and a recent WaPo article which cites multiple recent polls (Gallup, CBS, etc.). But let's not pretend that you are going to "examine" anything. You'll just take the GSS results and live with them.

Ummm.. I have no problems understanding validity , and reliability. Nor do I have a difficulty understanding hypothesis and theory.. nor statistical significance and correlation.. or regression. However, you certainly do. Yep.. you posted the poll and an article that shows other polls. nice. So. I asked to see the methodology and the statistical evidence behind these polls.

Surely you understand why a researcher would want to know this right?

Geez,....no that is NOT what it means, at all. Read a little. You're just proving that there is nothing that NRA nuts will accept, beyond the ambiguous "mental health" canard.

Actually,, yes. that's what universal means.

More deflection. It takes ONE republican to co-sponsor a bill. It requires leadership in both chambers to actually pass a bill. Republican leadership in both chambers killed it. So the dishonesty here is clear (yet again). I said nothing about who sponsorship. I said that republicans JUST BLOCKED a mental health bill from passing a few weeks ago. That is a FACT.

Yep.. you just failed to point out that the bill had republican support and was sponsored by republicans. (versions in the house and senate). You just want to rant.

Typical. When the FACTS discredit the position of a Trumpster.......he just clings (like grim death) to his delusions. I'm sorry to have destroyed another one delusions, Jaeger. Where did you get this one from, Hannity, O'Reilly or Bannon? lol.

Exactly.,. Wow... You just admitted that you were a Trumpster. Which is not surprising when you think about it. Your debate (if one can call it that).. is very Trump like. Lets see..1 you make grandiose claims. 2, When asked for evidence you fail to provide it
3. You then demand proof 4. When you receive proof that you are wrong you then attack the person with personal remarks.

Yep.. your debate style is very trump like.

Only in NRA-nut world. And you guys don't really count. The facts are that the assault weapons ban of '94 worked,

Clinging to your delusions I see.

Tell you what.. please provide the data that shows that there was a statistically significant correlation between the AWB and lower assault weapons crime.

LOL....no it's really not. Your ability to grasp the material is what's "questionable". But that's EXACTLY what I'd expect from an ideologue whose trying to dabble in academia.

You really should look up neurotic projection.
 
All you can do is play word games! Please admit you had wrong information. It's OK because everyone on the thread knows it.

Don't hold your breath...

I see a rant about to happen.. in three two one... :lol:
 
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