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Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

Lord of Planar said:
Yet they have their elite too...
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Please provide a link that shows square footage of the homes of the wealthy in Southeast Asia and China, versus those in the US to back up your viewpoints.
 
Media_Truth said:
Please provide a link that shows square footage of the homes of the wealthy in Southeast Asia and China, versus those in the US to back up your viewpoints.
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Why does the square footage of the elite matter? I'm pointing out that it's natural for people to aspire to have more.
 
[h=2]Global Sales Of Electric Cars “Collapsed” Says New Report By PricewaterhouseCoopers… -15.7% In China[/h]By P Gosselin on 3. November 2019
Sales of so-called environmentally friendly electric cars have been slumping, despite all the Friday protests and loud cries for cleaner mobility.
Citing a report released by PricewaterhouseCoopers, German news portal t-online.de here reports how “suddenly demand is in the basement: even in China – the world’s largest market for e-cars – sales figures are collapsing”.
It turns out electric cars, with their long charging times, short range and surprisingly high CO2 lifetime budget, are still not attractive enough to consumers in these times of “climate crisis”.
Though sales have picked up in Germany somewhat, but that it’s still “at a very low level,” T-Online reports.
Climate protests, hysteria, fail to sway
Germany is one of the leading Fridays For Future protest countries worldwide, with tens of thousands of protesters turning out weekly. Yet that has not translated into any meaningful change in terms of electric car sales. People have not been swayed by all the climate hysteria and remain uncomfortable with all the technical and environmental drawbacks of plug-in electric cars. Read here.
Big markets dive
T-Online sees the really big trouble for electric cars elsewhere, that is in the markets where they have been traditionally strong: China, Norway and the USA. The German news site reports: “And that’s where the wind has changed, according to a report by management consultants PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).”

Global: plug in electric fell 23.8%!
“According to the report, 321,573 battery-powered electric cars were sold worldwide in the third quarter of 2019. This is a decline of 2.8 percent compared to the previous year. Sales of plug-in hybrids even fell by a quarter (23.8 percent) to 102,097 units sold. There are various reasons for this,” reports T-Online.
Huge sales drop in China
T-Online reports that the world’s largest market for electric cars, China, “collapsed drastically between July and September 2019.” Adding: ” Sales of electric cars fell by 15.7 percent, of hybrid cars by 20 percent and of plug-in hybrids by as much as 27.3 percent.”
20% Q3 drop in US
Things are not better in the USA. Recently S&P Global reported: “Sales in the US plug-in vehicle market in Q3 2019 were down roughly 20% compared with Q3 2018, but year-to-date sales for 2019 were slightly ahead of sales through the third quarter in 2018.”
Future of electric plug-ins uncertain
Overall there’s growing uncertainty when it comes to the future of mobility and as to which technology will emerge as the most viable, and when.
Countries worldwide are woefully lagging behind in the installation of electric car infrastructure. Policymakers are thus uneasy about investing hundreds of billions into an electric car infrastructure, knowing that it may well be made obsolete by other fuels, such as hydrogen. Investment delays in turn lead to delays in sales.
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]Global Sales Of Electric Cars “Collapsed” Says New Report By PricewaterhouseCoopers… -15.7% In China[/h]By P Gosselin on 3. November 2019
Sales of so-called environmentally friendly electric cars have been slumping, despite all the Friday protests and loud cries for cleaner mobility.
Though sales have picked up in Germany somewhat, but that it’s still “at a very low level,” T-Online reports.
Climate protests, hysteria, fail to sway
Germany is one of the leading Fridays For Future protest countries worldwide, with tens of thousands of protesters turning out weekly. Yet that has not translated into any meaningful change in terms of electric car sales. People have not been swayed by all the climate hysteria and remain uncomfortable with all the technical and environmental drawbacks of plug-in electric cars. Read here.
Big markets dive
T-Online sees the really big trouble for electric cars elsewhere, that is in the markets where they have been traditionally strong: China, Norway and the USA. The German news site reports: “And that’s where the wind has changed, according to a report by management consultants PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).”

Global: plug in electric fell 23.8%!
“According to the report, 321,573 battery-powered electric cars were sold worldwide in the third quarter of 2019. This is a decline of 2.8 percent compared to the previous year. Sales of plug-in hybrids even fell by a quarter (23.8 percent) to 102,097 units sold. There are various reasons for this,” reports T-Online.
Huge sales drop in China
T-Online reports that the world’s largest market for electric cars, China, “collapsed drastically between July and September 2019.” Adding: ” Sales of electric cars fell by 15.7 percent, of hybrid cars by 20 percent and of plug-in hybrids by as much as 27.3 percent.”
20% Q3 drop in US
Things are not better in the USA. Recently S&P Global reported: “Sales in the US plug-in vehicle market in Q3 2019 were down roughly 20% compared with Q3 2018, but year-to-date sales for 2019 were slightly ahead of sales through the third quarter in 2018.”
Future of electric plug-ins uncertain
Overall there’s growing uncertainty when it comes to the future of mobility and as to which technology will emerge as the most viable, and when.
Countries worldwide are woefully lagging behind in the installation of electric car infrastructure. Policymakers are thus uneasy about investing hundreds of billions into an electric car infrastructure, knowing that it may well be made obsolete by other fuels, such as hydrogen. Investment delays in turn lead to delays in sales.
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Typical cherry-picking. China had a huge EV-year the year before (79% increase in 2018). So gee - their sales are down against last year. Your blogs are so dishonest that it's pathetic. Let's take a look at worldwide sales of EVs ---

EV-Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database

Global plug-in vehicle deliveries reached 1,134,000 units in the 1st half of 2019, 46 % higher than for 2018. In terms of volumes, the increase was 358,000 units, equal to the entire US plug-in vehicle market of 2018. It includes all BEV and PHEV passenger cars sales, light trucks in the Americas and light commercial vehicle in Europe and Asia. Their share in the global light vehicle market was 3,5 % in June and 2,5 % for 2019 H1. 74 % of sales were all-electric (BEV) and 26 % were plug-in hybrids (PHEV), a massive shift of 11 % towards BEVs, compared to the 1st half of 2018. It was driven by the full availability of the Tesla Model-3, revised taxation/subsidy schemes and the Europe introduction of the more stringent WLTP (Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure) for CO2 emissions, all leading to higher demand for pure EVs.
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EV sales (New Energy Vehicles) contracted by 2 % in China in July, following 79 % growth in 2018 and 66 % in 2019 H1.
 
Media_Truth said:
Typical cherry-picking. China had a huge EV-year the year before (79% increase in 2018). So gee - their sales are down against last year. Your blogs are so dishonest that it's pathetic. Let's take a look at worldwide sales of EVs ---

EV-Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database

Global plug-in vehicle deliveries reached 1,134,000 units in the 1st half of 2019, 46 % higher than for 2018. In terms of volumes, the increase was 358,000 units, equal to the entire US plug-in vehicle market of 2018. It includes all BEV and PHEV passenger cars sales, light trucks in the Americas and light commercial vehicle in Europe and Asia. Their share in the global light vehicle market was 3,5 % in June and 2,5 % for 2019 H1. 74 % of sales were all-electric (BEV) and 26 % were plug-in hybrids (PHEV), a massive shift of 11 % towards BEVs, compared to the 1st half of 2018. It was driven by the full availability of the Tesla Model-3, revised taxation/subsidy schemes and the Europe introduction of the more stringent WLTP (Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure) for CO2 emissions, all leading to higher demand for pure EVs.
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EV sales (New Energy Vehicles) contracted by 2 % in China in July, following 79 % growth in 2018 and 66 % in 2019 H1.
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We shall see.
 
Jack Hays said:
No, all you've proven is your commitment to denial.
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I don't see anybody else rushing to the defense of your dishonest blogs. Proven lies again!!! How many times will we have to prove this?
 
Jack Hays said:
That's because their posts are not controversial with most people.
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I've seen numerous individuals expose the lies, inconsisties and cherry-picking of these blogs.
 
Dramatic drop in costs of battery storage.

"Previous and planned investments total $150 billion through 2023, RMI calculates—the equivalent of every person in the world chipping in $20. In the first half of 2019 alone, venture-capital firms contributed $1.4 billion to energy storage technology companies.

“These investments will push both Li-ion and new battery technologies across competitive thresholds for new applications more quickly than anticipated,” according to RMI. “This, in turn, will reduce the costs of decarbonization in key sectors and speed the global energy transition beyond the expectations of mainstream global energy models.”"

Huge Battery Investments Drop Energy-Storage Costs Faster Than Expected, Threatening Natural Gas
 
longview said:
I see the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle being the long term solution, but we need the distribution infrastructure.
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Ditto!

The OP doesn't mention batteries losing efficiency in colder climates by as much as 40%

I'm all for new technologies, but EC's are not there yet.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Ditto!

The OP doesn't mention batteries losing efficiency in colder climates by as much as 40%

I'm all for new technologies, but EC's are not there yet.
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Does a hydrogen fuel cell have the same problem with temperature? I read a review of an Tesla owner that lived where the winters get cold. He said he would have to wait 30 minutes for the batteries to warm themselves up in the cold, and only got half the mileage on a charge.
 
A dose of reality:


Predictions are Hard, Especially About the Future

Gasoline vs Electric Vehicle Future Fuel Costs This was originally a comment on David Middleton’s post, The “Oil Age” is doing just fine, Bloomberg New Energy Finance notwithstanding | Watts Up With That? The original comment was from Detengineer, in reply to another comment from Mark, so the 2nd paragraph is directed at Mark, not David. Detegineer goes into very good detailed calculations, on replacing ICE with EVs. Mod. I think…
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[FONT=&quot]Oil will remain the primary transportation fuel for the next several decades. While a superficial look at today’s prices for electricity and gasoline seem to indicate a strong economic driver for converting automobiles from internal combustion to electric a deeper look at the probable future cost of electricity versus gasoline shows a strong economic advantage for gasoline over electricity derived from renewable sources. Electricity sourced from natural gas (combined cycle gas turbines) retains an economic advantage over gasoline and assuming suitable supplies exist could support the conversion to electric cars.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Regardless of economics, the large cost and skilled labor demands of converting the economy to renewables makes it highly unlikely that a significant portion of the fossil fuel supplied portion of the transportation market can be converted to renewables by 2050. Even if we limit the project scope to using natural gas derived electricity to support the conversion to battery powered cars limited management and technical resources will likely constrain the pace of the conversion.[/FONT]

 
[h=2]Germany Pulls Plug On Wind Energy… Wind Industry In “Severe Crisis”…Wind Giant Enercon To Lay Off 3000[/h]By P Gosselin on 10. November 2019
German online weekly FOCUS here reports how cuts by wind energy giant Enercon will lead to 3000 layoffs. According to Enercon chief executive Hans-Dieter Kettwig, “politicians have pulled the plug on wind energy.”

German wind energy industry in turmoil. Photo: By Pierre Gosselin​
Subsidies cut
Once lavished with huge incentives, the German wind industry is being hit hard after the government recently ended the huge subsidies that were once aimed at expanding the installation of wind energy capacity. Power grid operators had been struggling to keep the grid stable due to erratic feed-in and the subsidized feed-in of wind energy caused German electricity prices to become among the most expensive worldwide.
Fierce opposition from hundreds of protest groups
Moreover, hundreds of citizen protest groups have sprouted and since become a formidable force pushing for the stop of proposed wind projects. Not only have wind parks scarred the German landscape and destroyed biotopes nationwide, they have also been shown to be a real health hazard to humans living in their proximity through the low frequency infrasound they emit. Enough is enough, citizens say.
3000 job cuts in the works

FOCUS reports: “The crisis in the German wind energy industry is worsening. According to the ‘Süddeutsche Zeitung’, hard cuts at the largest German manufacturer Enercon will cost 3000 jobs.”
Next year Enercon will also cut contracts with suppliers, sending a wave of job losses across the industry. “If supply contracts are terminated as planned, many of these companies are threatened with extinction,” FOCUS reports.
FOCUS notes that the layoffs will hit regions that are already economically weak. “At the Aurich and Magdeburg locations, 1500 jobs will be cut, according to the company. At the company headquarters in Aurich, 250 to 300 jobs are affected.”
Stricter regulations for wind parks, greater setback distances
Not only have the subsidies for German wind parks been cut back, but also setback rules will become more strict in order to protect homes and residents from landscape blight and infrasound. In the future, wind parks will need to keep a greater distance away from residential areas. The current CDU/CSU/SPD government wants to keep at least one kilometer between wind power installations and residential areas in the future. This will make many proposed projects impossible.
German Greens demand the industrialization of scenic landscape
The stricter setback rules have been sharply criticized by the wind industry, and particularly by German Green party leader, Annalena Baerbock: “The planned distance rules for wind turbines are devastating,” she told network Germany RND.
“Contrary to all public announcements, the federal government is thus making further expansion of wind power impossible. This is tantamount to a boycott of the Paris Climate Treaty and its own climate targets.” Baerbock also told RND: “The federal government claims to want to get out of coal but at the same time is stopping the expansion of wind power.”
 

The Brave New World of Ample Oil

Guest post by Tilak Doshi In the oil universe, the September 14th attack on Saudi Aramco’s oil facilities is comparable to the 9/11 attacks on the twin towers in New York City. Yet, the taking out of half of the Kingdom’s oil output led not to an oil shock but a whimper. Barely two weeks…
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EV's in the fast lane to obsolescence.

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[h=1]Scientists extract hydrogen gas from oil and bitumen, giving potential pollution-free energy[/h][FONT=&quot]From Phys.org by Goldschmidt Conference Scientists have developed a large-scale economical method to extract hydrogen (H2) from oil sands (natural bitumen) and oil fields. This can be used to power hydrogen-powered vehicles, which are already marketed in some countries, as well as to generate electricity; hydrogen is regarded as an efficient transport fuel, similar to…
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Jack Hays said:
EV's in the fast lane to obsolescence.

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The only issue I have with hydrogen, is that it would take massive infrastructure changes and changing the entire fleet of vehicles for
it to be effective. hydrogen is also difficult to carry around.
 
longview said:
The only issue I have with hydrogen, is that it would take massive infrastructure changes and changing the entire fleet of vehicles for
it to be effective. hydrogen is also difficult to carry around.
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No 30 minute waits to refuel.
 
[h=1]Prof. Michael Kelly: Energy Policy Needs ‘Herds Of Unicorns’[/h]
  • Date: 11/11/19
  • Press Release, Global Warming Policy Foundation
[h=2]Utopian thinking is putting the economy at risk says Cambridge professor[/h]
The UK’s decision to embark on a wholesale decarbonisation of the economy is beset by superficial thinking that ignores engineering reality.
That’s according to Professor Michael Kelly, emeritus professor of engineering at the University of Cambridge. At the Annual GWPF Lecture Professor Kelly told an audience in London last night that the government’s 2050 net zero target is unachievable without major social disruption.
“For the world to reverse two centuries of industrial development in a few decades would require the efforts of herds of unicorns”, he jokes. “It simply isn’t going to happen, as much as the zealots in Parliament and on the streets shout about it”.
Professor Kelly, a former chief scientist at the Department of Communities and Local Government, also hit out at the Committee on Climate Change’s claim that decarbonisation can be achieved cheaply.
“Their estimates are pie in the sky”, he says. “We have real-world data that shows that the cost would run to trillions of pounds. If politicians listen to them, we are in trouble”.
Prof Michael Kelly: Energy Utopias and Engineering Reality (pdf)
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Ford will launch a electric Mustang next year.

Finally, an Exciting Electric Car for the Rest of Us | Outside Online

There are also a plans for a new battery that can be charged in ten minutes.

EV Battery Charges in 10 Minutes | Electric Vehicle Batteries

That can be good for the times you go a long trips. While most of the time the battery can be charged at home over night or at the work.
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I pointed out before, you cannot legally upscale to that 10 minutes for the size of a car battery pack. If I recall, in another thread that link was posted, it requires more than three times the USA safety threshold of 125 KVA charging. The Tesla superchargers have a charging limit of 120 KVA in the USA.
 
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