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Protesters block Betsy DeVos from entering public school in Washington

haymarket said:
The diagnosis is NOT unfounded.
And it does not smear anyone as it is truth.
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I suggest you review the foundational elements of such a diagnosis offered by those who prescribe and conduct such things.

I never said "who are you to dispute a Harvard Professor?" I asked you what your mental health credentials are compared to the person who you take strong issue with.
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A distinction without a difference. The mere fact the the professor offered it discredits him, and your retreat to his credentials suggests precisely what I said it does.
 
Jack Hays said:
I prefer Swedish, actually. And now you're just trying to throw up a smokescreen to cover your retreat.
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Polish is very good also. And the only time I retreat is what is usually termed a full speed ahead charge.
 
humbolt said:
I suggest you review the foundational elements of such a diagnosis offered by those who prescribe and conduct such things.



A distinction without a difference. The mere fact the the professor offered it discredits him, and your retreat to his credentials suggests precisely what I said it does.
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Actually it is. When people intentionally change my words - there normally is a motive in having to do so.
 
DeVos looked a bit mortified. From the brief footage I reviewed, it looked like maybe 10 protesters at most. I could not find any articles estimating the number of protesters. I absolutely do not approve of protesters preventing DeVos entering the school.

Now, I invite you to briefly review The Little Rock Crisis to note the contrast in magnitude when U.S. policy shifted from 'Separate but Equal' to Desegregation... lest we forget!

https://www.google.com/search?q=Lit...ved=0ahUKEwjQjeml8orSAhVK6SYKHfUBDH0Q_AUIBigB

Little Rock School Desegregation (1957)
 
haymarket said:
see previous posts where articles explained why the Goldwater rule does not apply here as we should be thankful that patriots in the mental health field are willing to go above and beyond such limitations to speak out for their loved country. Some people put patriotism over personal self preservation.

Opinion: The Opinion of Leading Psychologists Is That Trump Is Mentally Deranged
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Yes, they do. Diagnosing someone they've never met, however, isn't patriotism; it's a recklessly irresponsible lack of professionalism. Cloak the malignant political motive in red, white, and blue as you please, but don't kid a kidder.
 
nota bene said:
Yes, they do. Diagnosing someone they've never met, however, isn't patriotism; it's a recklessly irresponsible lack of professionalism. Cloak the malignant political motive in red, white, and blue as you please, but don't kid a kidder.
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So in your opinion, there is never any reason why such mental health professionals should express their opinion about the suspected mental illness of a leader who has the ability to end the world as we know it in a very short time just on their own exercise of power and judgment?
 
humbolt said:
Of course there's a motive. It's to expose your intent,
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Then quote my actual words rather than what is easy for to to do battle with having created it yourself out of straw.
 
humbolt said:
I suggest you review the foundational elements of such a diagnosis offered by those who prescribe and conduct such things.



A distinction without a difference. The mere fact the the professor offered it discredits him, and your retreat to his credentials suggests precisely what I said it does.
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Trump as clinical narcissist? ... it's possible ... he appears to have some of the symptoms.
Lots of politicians do.

obama as narcissus.webp

So maybe anyone making timely selective clinical pronouncements about such things through distant 3rd hand observations may be influenced by an interest other than clinical.
 
haymarket said:
Then quote my actual words rather than what is easy for to to do battle with having created it yourself out of straw.
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Your words are here for all to see. I'm not twisting anything, and I've just provided evidence that having Harvard credentials means little regarding veracity. If the truth were involved, it wouldn't matter if the fellow was a professor at Slippery Rock. You only brought Harvard up in an attempt to belittle those who object to his ass-hattery.
 
humbolt said:
Your words are here for all to see. I'm not twisting anything, and I've just provided evidence that having Harvard credentials means little regarding veracity. If the truth were involved, it wouldn't matter if the fellow was a professor at Slippery Rock. You only brought Harvard up in an attempt to belittle those who object to his ass-hattery.
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I - and I suspect the great masses of Americans - will take the word of a Medical Doctor who is a Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical school on matters about mental health long before I take the word of an average non-medical professional on the same issue. And I also suspect - Harvard as opposed to Slippery Rock - means something to most people in terms of the worth of that opinion.

But you want to think otherwise - fine with me.
 
Jack Hays said:
"Hell hath no fury like a vested interest masquerading as a moral principle."
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An excellent description of for profit charter schools. Well done!!!! :rock:thumbs:
 
humbolt said:
Your words are here for all to see. I'm not twisting anything, and I've just provided evidence that having Harvard credentials means little regarding veracity. If the truth were involved, it wouldn't matter if the fellow was a professor at Slippery Rock. You only brought Harvard up in an attempt to belittle those who object to his ass-hattery.
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but ... but ... Harvard ! ... he wrote books and everything !
Next thing you're gonna tell us is that Judges can make political decisions.
 
haymarket said:
I - and I suspect the great masses of Americans - will take the word of a Medical Doctor who is a Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical school on matters about mental health long before I take the word of an average non-medical professional on the same issue. And I also suspect - Harvard as opposed to Slippery Rock - means something to most people in terms of the worth of that opinion.
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Equating academic station with truth is a mistake you are prone to making because the message is one you prefer, however unfounded it might be.

But you want to think otherwise - fine with me.
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Trump may be a narcissist. If he is, this Harvard guy's pronouncements are no more correct than if he isn't.
 
bubbabgone said:
but ... but ... Harvard ! ... he wrote books and everything !
Next thing you're gonna tell us is that Judges can make political decisions.
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Well, if judges couldn't make political decisions, we'd have a congress and some executives, or something like that. As it is...
 
humbolt said:
Well, if judges couldn't make political decisions, we'd have a congress and some executives, or something like that. As it is...
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minnie616 said:
If the charter school accepts all educable students regardless of how poor or if they have learning disabilities/difference and supports and abides IDEA than vouchers for charter schools that are held to the same standards as public schools are acceptable to me.

I already posted why I do not agree with public funding vouchers for private or religious schools in post #363 in a reply to ReverandHellhOund.

In case you missed it I will repeat it.

From post #363




Michigan has one of the largest numbers of charter schools of all our states
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We have had charter schools over 20 years.

If by the words " true choice" you mean vouchers than I am happy the people of Michigan were wise enough to vote down vouchers
in the year 2000 because vouchers will only help privately owned businesses and religious institions.

My husband and siblings went to religious schools and while I have nothing against them when I went to enroll my first born child I was told they did not accept children with learning
differences/disabilities and I should find the best school district I could afford and put my child in the public schools.



I did that and all 4 of our children graduated with honors from public high school and went on to get college degrees frompublic state colleges.

My youngest went back to night school ( she had a full time day job ) and got her masters degree.
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So you STILL don't get it. Voucher/charter schools should be focused on specific groups of kids, that's their biggest strength. I've made REALLY clear time and again and you just ignore what I say. So you're not here to have a conversation, just to push ONE idea to the exclusion of all others.
 
humbolt said:
Equating academic station with truth is a mistake you are prone to making because the message is one you prefer, however unfounded it might be.



Trump may be a narcissist. If he is, this Harvard guy's pronouncements are no more correct than if he isn't.
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Again - I simply asked for ones credentials in the mental health area so as to assess where the opinion was coming from.

Are you under the delusion that there is no such thing as educated opinion..... or learned opinion... or expert opinion?
 
haymarket said:
Again - I simply asked for ones credentials in the mental health area so as to assess where the opinion was coming from.
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No you didn't. The implication was a clear as day. Don't compound that crap with feigned innocence.

Are you under the delusion that there is no such thing as educated opinion..... or learned opinion... or expert opinion?
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Nope, nor am I under the delusion that what you've offered constitutes one.
 
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