Prostitution poll

[SDET]

Since she would be legally selling a service, don't consumer protection laws come into play?

Democratic logic: "I want to pass lots more controlling-you laws and rules that criminalize what you are doing to protect you from yourself and that don't apply to me."

Not like there aren't a million messages on this forum like that.

 

[SDET]

Why just ask them? Doesn't the consumer count for anything?

Your approach could turn into a situation similar to NYC taxi medallions.

Voting is already legalized and regulated. We can debate about which regulations we should have but the fact is it is legal and regulated.


The same should be true for prostitutes. Ask them.....they will tell us the best way to regulate the industry

 

[vegas giants]

Why just ask them? Doesn't the consumer count for anything?

I am fine with every voice being heard. Reasonable regulation is fine

 

[zyzygy]

https://www.beobachtungsstelle-gesellschaftspolitik.de/f/18c81917c6.pdf

It's in English and explains the law about legal prostitution in Belgium.

 

[Rich2018]

No, we are debating all of prostitution

I am arguing for legalizing it...you are mostly describing how bad it is in areas where it is illegal

...there is no state where prostitution is legal

You've been given links to it. Parts of Nevada - which is a US state

...no one is forced to go work in a brothel....

Our point exactly. It's about freedom and choice

...I'd never go to a brothel....50% of my money going to the brothel?

You say you'd never go to a brothel, yet for someone claiming to have no contact with prostitutes, you also claim to know their prices and working conditions.
How did you get this knowledge and can you show us your data ?

...if I wanted a top hooker, escort woman or an ex woman but maybe still willing...I'd just pick up the phone and ask one I know to come over. Bet she wouldn't charge me a dollar, though. Friends don't charge friends...

So now you number "top hookers" and "escorts" (or ex escorts as your "friends despite your assertion permanently marks them as social pariahs ?

And you also claim your females friends are willing to come to your house for sex, on a phone call, for free? (do you also have friends who're plumbers or car mechanics?)


You don't live in the real world do you - but some fantasy land you inhabit alone - I doubt you have any such "friends")

...you say prostitutes should be required to work in brothels...

When and in which post ?
Because I NEVER said that. Another straw man argument from you

Your entire post history on this has been composed of lies and prejudiced opinion with no real life experience.

...the ONLY prostitution you'd allow is in some red room with white heart pillows surrounded by competitors...

Again you repeat the lie

Tell me when I said this and in what post number

...I say they don't have to be limited to a brothel...

They don't - but it's stange now for you to argue for brothels when you've been anti prostitution

...the average person has less than a spare $500....

Source ?

...the number of prostitutes I have known is certainly over a thousand....

My penis is bigger than yours

... I worked with them or where the worked out of....

What was your job?

And is your opinion that prostitution be legal or outlawed ? If the latter please explain how it would hep your "friends"

....your squeaky clean sexual prudishness by your messages is combined with a Hollywood created view of prostitution...

You're the one inventing a fastasy life where you know prostitutes personally and have the at beck and call...even knowing how much they charge
It's all a fantasy, you don't know anything about what you're talking about

...you are arguing how much men are looking for ex prostitutes for wives?

When and in what post number
YOU claimed an ex-prostitute can't generally expect marriage in later life - I say that is false - and it's another indictment of your narrow minded, uninformed mind.

...you want to expose publicly them to help them as YOUR choice, not theirs....

Nope, another lie from you, that no post will back up.

...claiming that age, appearance, weight, how classy all are irrelevant to what they can charge...

It isn't
But you disagree, so let's see your data regarding YOUR opinion on a persons looks and their potential pricing structure

...there's just no point in "debating" any of that ...

Then why did you bring it up and post an image as if you're making an important point

It's not, it's just prejudiced opinion from your in your fantasy world

...what you want is all prostitution to be extremely illegal...

OMG are you really that incapable of reading ?

The argument is to legalize all prostitution

...everyone knows that wanting all prostitutes publicly branded and exposed for life is all about you....

Now your being stupid

Publicly branded? Are you so in bedded in your fantasy world ?
Straw man doesn't begin to cover it, you've descended into telling lies


While your at it show proof to back up the other lies you've told in previous posts.

...prostitutes get raped in brothels....

Actresses have recently been claiming rape too - have you not heard of the MeToo campaign

So there are rapists working in brothels, is your plan to close brothels down or arrest the rapists and impose further regulation to avoid future incidents ?

...and want to imprison prostitutes who won't work in one...

Again another lie

When and in what post was that said ?

 

[joko104]

I am arguing for legalizing it...you are mostly describing how bad it is in areas where it is illegal

You've been given links to it. Parts of Nevada - which is a US state

Our point exactly. It's about freedom and choice

You say you'd never go to a brothel, yet for someone claiming to have no contact with prostitutes, you also claim to know their prices and working conditions.
How did you get this knowledge and can you show us your data ?

So now you number "top hookers" and "escorts" (or ex escorts as your "friends despite your assertion permanently marks them as social pariahs ?

And you also claim your females friends are willing to come to your house for sex, on a phone call, for free? (do you also have friends who're plumbers or car mechanics?)

You don't live in the real world do you - but some fantasy land you inhabit alone - I doubt you have any such "friends")

When and in which post ?
Because I NEVER said that. Another straw man argument from you

Your entire post history on this has been composed of lies and prejudiced opinion with no real life experience.

They don't - but it's stange now for you to argue for brothels when you've been anti prostitution

What was your job?

And is your opinion that prostitution be legal or outlawed ? If the latter please explain how it would hep your "friends"

You're the one inventing a fastasy life where you know prostitutes personally and have the at beck and call...even knowing how much they charge
It's all a fantasy, you don't know anything about what you're talking about

YOU claimed an ex-prostitute can't generally expect marriage in later life - I say that is false - and it's another indictment of your narrow minded, uninformed mind.

It isn't
But you disagree, so let's see your data regarding YOUR opinion on a persons looks and their potential pricing structure
Then why did you bring it up and post an image as if you're making an important point

It's not, it's just prejudiced opinion from your in your fantasy world


OMG are you really that incapable of reading ?

The argument is to legalize all prostitution

Publicly branded? Are you so in bedded in your fantasy world ?
Straw man doesn't begin to cover it, you've descended into telling lies

While your at it show proof to back up the other lies you've told in previous posts.

Actresses have recently been claiming rape too - have you not heard of the MeToo campaign.

So there are rapists working in brothels, is your plan to close brothels down or arrest the rapists and impose further regulation to avoid future incidents ?

What I wrote about brothels was based upon investigative reporting by the press, including interviews with brothel prostitutes and ex brothel prostitutes. Your claims are based on nothing by you fantasy.

Say I claim I have "no contact with prostitutes" could not possibly be more deliberate lying on your part since in this same message of your you declare what I posted about this is a lie. But then when someone is making up anything with no integrity whatsoever they have no problem totally contradicting themselves in the same message.

I think it is sadistic, truly hateful, for YOU to declare YOU will force all prostitutes to be publicly exposed, because YOU should be in control of all their future dating and courtship. But then you openly want total control of prostitutes. BUT HELL NO that YOU not be exposed if you go to your beloved brothels - YOU have privacy rights.

How old are you? 90? Female actors have not been called "actresses" for at least 3 decades.

Not only do you want to totally eliminate their privacy, apparently you want to control their prices and want most of it taken from them for their brothel pimps and to the government.

Your messages are so foolish and detached from reality the only explanation is that truth is fully irrelevant to you. You have as bizarre fantasy vision of brothels all over the USA of sanitized beautiful young white female prostitutes for which you go give money to the brothel pimp and then he goes and orders whichever one you pick to have sex with you - like it or not - for whatever the brothel owner charges (and pockets for himself) - whether she likes it or not, for which if she doesn't want to then you get to have sex with her anyway because she signed a consent-to-be-raped contract.

Of great importance to you is that if you want it certain the prostitute doesn't have HIV - almost as important to you that if you are HIV+ you have a right to keep it secret and secretly screw all the brothel prostitutes you want to.

Do you want poor black prostitutes imprisoned? Or killed? Which one of those do you middle class white men prefer?

Sexism, racism, economic bigotry and white supremacy wrapped in government control freakism - sadistically calling it "legalization."

 

[joko104]

Text removed for length, quotes to identify who I am responding to

What I wrote about brothels was based upon investigative reporting by the press, including interviews with brothel prostitutes and ex brothel prostitutes - which I linked to. Your claims are based on nothing b you fantasy.

Say I claim I have "no contact with prostitutes" could not possibly be more deliberate lying on your part since in this same message of your you declare what I posted about this is a lie. But then when someone is making up anything with no integrity whatsoever they have no problem totally contradicting themselves in the same message.

I think it is sadistic, truly hateful, for YOU to declare YOU will force all prostitutes to be publicly exposed, because YOU should be in control of all their future dating and courtship. But then you openly want total control of prostitutes. BUT HELL NO that YOU not be exposed if you go to your beloved brothels - YOU have privacy rights.

How old are you? 90? Female actors have not been called "actresses" for at least 3 decades.

Not only do you want to totally eliminate their privacy, apparently you want to control their prices and want most of it taken from them for their brothel pimps and to the government.

Your messages are so foolish and detached from reality the only explanation is that truth is fully irrelevant to you. You have as bizarre fantasy vision of brothels all over the USA of sanitized beautiful young white female prostitutes for which you go give money to the brothel pimp and then he goes and orders whichever one you pick to have sex with you - like it or not - for whatever the brothel owner charges (and pockets for himself) - whether she likes it or not, for which if she doesn't want to then you get to have sex with her anyway because she signed a consent-to-be-raped contract.

Of great importance to you is that if you want it certain the prostitute doesn't have HIV - almost as important to you that if you are HIV+ you have a right to keep it secret and secretly screw all the brothel prostitutes you want to.

Do you want poor black prostitutes imprisoned? Or killed? Which one of those do you middle class white men prefer?

Sexism, racism, economic bigotry and white supremacy wrapped in government control freakism - sadistically calling it "legalization."

What has been my professional relationship with prostitutes in my life? It has changed. In the past, if a man slapped a woman violently - prostitute or not - I broke his arm. If he slashed her face wearing a sharp ring, I slashed his face with one. Whatever he did, I did worse to him. It was one of my job duties.

Not anymore and an unlikely situation I would be in. But if you did assault a woman (or child), prostitute or not, and we knew that person, I and a couple other guys would hunt you down and arrest you. It is all but certain you would furiously resist arrest for which it would take protracted physical force to subdue you. Then you would be prosecuted by a local female prosecutor who financed her way thru law school as an escort - and the prosecution would be merciless.

In my childhood, I saw more children and women physically hurt by men than I can count, and I was one of them. In my adult life I have hurt more men who have physically hurt children and women than I can count - and have mentioned that on and off on the forum for over a decade.

cont
.

 

[joko104]

What you want would hurt all prostitutes, although you don't advocate directly for violence against them:
to try to ruin their lives by following them their own lives screaming "she was a prostitute! she was a prostitute!" and to put them in jail for refusing to let you control them,
refusing to let you take their money, for refusing to work in one of your whorehouses under the thumb of your pimps - the owner and the government -
and punish them for being too poor or not white enough for you.

I do not share your view that STDs are a prostitution disease like I do not agree STDs are a homosexual disease - this is your reasoning.

I am not posting messages reading like a reclusive moralistic prudish control freak old white man posting sexist, racist and economically bigoted messages - terrified of prostitutes while fantasizing of Hollywood style brothels at the same time.

I am not so out-of-touch with women's rights I call female actors "actresses".

I do not have all your sexuality rules, prudishness, and fears. I'm not afraid if prostitutes are not locked up in a whorehouse or a jail, an STD might drift over in the air and infect me as your messages suggest. I'm not a white racist, economic bigot, sexist and government control-freak in my messages.

I did not see a need to post claiming a sexual and conservative relationship history purity thinking this would make me morally superior in the debate - or afraid my wife might be reading this stuff.

I am exactly opposite in my messages in that I am not a male demanding I control what women do. I would never attempt to expose any prostitute or anyone else for any sex they had - for pay or for free - to warn people about her or him as you demand be required with new criminal laws.

I do not share you view that women are prostitutes, but not men - as sexist as it gets.

I'm not afraid of prostitutes for which I demand a stack of criminal laws nor want to force them under threat of arrest and prison to stay hidden away in one of your whorehouses under the thumb of whorehouse owners and pimps like you demand.

All our stances are singularly for your self interests and your moralistic values only. My stances are on behalf of people I have known or know, including my closest friends and associates for over 2 decades and all of my adult life. I am arguing to defend them including from people with the goals and attitudes of your messages.

 

[joko104]

Correction: "All Your stances" (Time to edit clocked out)

 

[joko104]

There is no part of Nevada where prostitution is legal. There are a few counties where brothels are legal, but otherwise prostitution is not.

 

[vegas giants]

There is no part of Nevada where prostitution is legal. There are a few counties where brothels are legal, but otherwise prostitution is not.

Factually incorrect. Prostitution in brothels is legal.


What do you think takes place in a brothel?

 

[vegas giants]

Let me try to education you, Vegas:

[h=1]Male prostitution is Nevada’s newest legal profession[/h]

What is it you think you are educating me about? I know far far far more about this subject than you

 

[joko104]

Factually incorrect. Prostitution in brothels is legal.


What do you think takes place in a brothel?

Claiming prostitution is legal in Nevada is false. It is not. Prostitute is legal only in brothels in some Nevada countries. Otherwise, it is still illegal even in those counties.

My view remains the same. I want prostitution - equally against prostitutes and Johns/Janes - to be a minor misdemeanor of a ticket only and no more than a night in jail, to keep prostitutes from marketing themselves on the street - nothing else. This is primarily to protect teenage boys who tend to be stupid, reckless and not in control of their hormones - and to keep them from being in front of businesses and people's homes.

Other than using that ticket grade misdemeanor for that offense, I want no criminalization for prostitution by between adults. The only law change I would like to see is limiting that misdemeanor to only applying if the prostitute is physically soliciting in public. Ads in publications, online etc are ok with me.

STDs are NOT a prostitution disease. It is sadistic and hateful to demand they register with the government as prostitutes and as the only reason. A license never protects the person with the license and has nothing to do with protecting prostitutes.

 

[joko104]

I would legalize prostitution for adults everywhere - other than publicly physically marketing it on the street - and then only a petty misdemeanor of a potential 1 night is prison. All of this a private matter between consenting adults.

Those ridiculously calling it legalizing, what a pile of criminal laws against prostitute, want to outlaw privacy for prostitution, and make prostitution criminally illegal under many laws everywhere - except working for a brothel pimp who take at least half their money and orders them who to have sex with or not.

We also disagree in that they claim STDs is only a prostitution disease and I claim STDs are no more a prostitution disease than a homosexuality disease.

Setting aside the issues of sexism, racism, economic bigotry and white supremacy that is what the debate has come down to.

 

[vegas giants]

I would legalize prostitution for adults everywhere - other than publicly physically marketing it on the street - and then only a petty misdemeanor of a potential 1 night is prison. All of this a private matter between consenting adults.

Those ridiculously calling it legalizing, what a pile of criminal laws against prostitute, want to outlaw privacy for prostitution, and make prostitution criminally illegal under many laws everywhere - except working for a brothel pimp who take at least half their money and orders them who to have sex with or not.

We also disagree in that they claim STDs is only a prostitution disease and I claim STDs are no more a prostitution disease than a homosexuality disease.

Setting aside the issues of sexism, racism, economic bigotry and white supremacy that is what the debate has come down to.

Healthcare workers have to take a tb test.


Why?


Is tb a healthcare worker problem?

 

[Rich2018]

There is no part of Nevada where prostitution is legal. There are a few counties where brothels are legal, but otherwise prostitution is not.

"Nevada is the only U.S. state where prostitution is legally permitted in some form...."


Prostitution in Nevada - Wikipedia

 

[Rich2018]

What I wrote about brothels was based upon investigative reporting by the press...

I remain skeptical. Provide a link or Newspaper or book ISBN, until you do, your wild assertions must be regarded as you personal fantasies

...I think it is sadistic, truly hateful, for YOU to declare YOU will force all prostitutes to be publicly exposed...

Lie #1 (in this post)

Prove that was said

...you openly want total control of prostitutes....

Lie #2 (in this post)

Prove that was said

...how old are you? 90? Female actors have not been called "actresses" for at least 3 decades...

Lie #3

Top 100 Actresses: published by the IMDB on 22/11/17


Top 100 Actresses - IMDb

...you want to control their prices and want most of it taken from them for their brothel pimps and to the government....

Lie #4

Prove where this was ever stated

...your messages are so foolish and detached from reality....

Says the man whose posts are full of lies, straw men and "facts" he invented from his fantasy world of knowledge with no evidence whatsoever to back a single claim up

...if you are HIV+ you have a right to keep it secret and secretly screw all the brothel prostitutes you want to....

Lie #5

Prove that was ever said

...do you want poor black prostitutes imprisoned? Or killed?

Lie #6

...sexism, racism, economic bigotry and white supremacy wrapped in government control freakism - sadistically calling it "legalization."

And you later claim you wish prostitution to be legalized ?

...if a man slapped a woman violently - prostitute or not - I broke his arm. If he slashed her face wearing a sharp ring, I slashed his face with one....

Prove it

My penis is bigger than yours

...if you did assault a woman (or child), prostitute or not, and we knew that person, I and a couple other guys would hunt you down and arrest you....

Yaaaawn


You really do inhabit a fantasy world don't you ?

...in my childhood, I saw more children and women physically hurt by men than I can count, and I was one of them. In my adult life I have hurt more men who have physically hurt children and women than I can count....

Double yawn

My penis is bigger than yours

...what you want would hurt all prostitutes, although you don't advocate directly for violence against them...

How and in what way ?

Would the answer be better regulation in a legalized system

... and punish them for being too poor or not white enough for you....

Lie #7 - and a racist slur as well

...your view that STDs are a prostitution disease

Lie #8


Prove it

...I am not posting messages reading like a reclusive moralistic prudish control freak....

Yes you are

...I am not so out-of-touch with women's rights I call female actors "actresses"....

That you seek to make such a laughable point a second time shows you are: Academy Award nominees for best actress 2019:-

"Performance by an actress in a leading role nominees:

Yalitza Aparicio in ROMA

Glenn Close in THE WIFE

Olivia Colman in THE FAVOURITE - WINNER!!

Lady Gaga in A STAR IS BORN

Melissa McCarthy in CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME?"


https://oscar.go.com/news/winners/oscar-winners-2019-live-updates-to-come

...I do not have all your sexuality rules, prudishness, and fears.....

Lie #9 - and a personal attack as well

...I did not see a need to post claiming a sexual and conservative relationship history purity thinking this would make me morally superior in the debate

Lie #10

Prove such a relationship

...to warn people about her or him as you demand...

Lie #11

Prove such a thing was said

...you view that women are prostitutes, but not men - as sexist as it gets....

Lie #12

Prove such a thing was said

...under the thumb of whorehouse owners and pimps like you demand...

Lie #13

Where was that said ?

...I am arguing to defend them including from people with the goals and attitudes of your messages.

So you support legalization of prostitution and increased regulation of the industry to ensure safety ?

 

[Rich2018]

Claiming prostitution is legal in Nevada is false. It is not. Prostitute is legal only in brothels in some Nevada countries...

So prostitution is legal in some parts of Nevada

 

[Rich2018]

I would legalize prostitution for adults everywhere...

So would I

...those ridiculously calling it legalizing, what a pile of criminal laws against prostitute...

De-criminalizing of prostitution
Means NO criminal laws against prostitutes - merely regulation to ensure personal and public safety, same as restaurants have to comply with regulation (not criminal laws) in the interests of personal and public safety.

 

[joko104]

So would I





De-criminalizing of prostitution
Means NO criminal laws against prostitutes - merely regulation to ensure personal and public safety, same as restaurants have to comply with regulation (not criminal laws) in the interests of personal and public safety.

You actually believe from Twix ads on TV that the two sides are the same at all, just like criminal laws are not regulations and regulations enforced by fines and jail if fine is not paid is not a criminal law. :roll:

 

[joko104]

So prostitution is legal in some parts of Nevada

Well, then there is NO need for what you want because it already exists in the United States anyway - so there's nothing to debate because prostitution is legal in the United States already.

 

[joko104]

Since prostitution is already legal, and since I am the only one who has time and again attempted to make this more than a debate over the mythical Best Whorehouse in the West, absurd assertions leading to simpleton slogans even the person posting it doesn't believe, no point to this.

I do get to Vegas every year or two for a long weekend. Don't go to shows and not all that much into casinos, I more just relax, search out great food, and explore. When to the Pawn Stars little shop and bought something, leaving their sticker on it as a souvenir. Just to see them, one time I went to about 10 of the pot shops - did the same when I was in Washington State last year. Drive out to the mountains. Desolation can be quite beautiful just to see.

Next time I'm in Vegas I'll look up online what seems the best legal brothel with a hundred miles and drive out and check it out. I can read about them and see pictures. I can read of ex-brothel prostitutes claim they are intensely degrading and abusive rape centers where they make little money because the brothel takes it - and brothel prostitutes saying it is a wonderful job and they are rapidly becoming a millionaire having fabulous sex with awesome men - that isn't proof. It is only persuasive to various degrees.

As much as possible I draw all conclusions from what I have seen and experienced myself. Nothing and no one can ever talk me out of what I personally know to be true or untrue by my direct personal life experiences. I've never been in a licensed brothel. I been in a couple of whorehouses - only not legal and only one of them was a "house," certainly a government licensed and really touristy high regulated flashy brothel is certainly very different from a whorehouse.

Just like after visiting the pot shops in two different states I wrote about it on the forum, after gaining direct personal experience knowledge I'll post about it on the forum. Of course you won't believe anything that is other than what you want reality to be, I'll post it anyway. I think an impartial judge of whether what I post appears true or false would SDET.

Actually, now I'm curious. But as the saying goes, "curious killed the cat." Then again, in my whole life I've never REALLY harmed a woman so it should all go just fine. :thumbs:

 

[Rich2018]

You actually believe from Twix ads on TV that the two sides are the same at all, just like criminal laws are not regulations and regulations enforced by fines and jail if fine is not paid is not a criminal law. :roll:

A regulation is not a law.

Do you really not know this ?

"How are laws and regulations different?

Laws go through the bill process before becoming established as a law. A bill has to be written, sponsored by a legislator, debated and passed through both the House of Representatives and the Senate after various committee and budget hearings before going to the Executive to be signed into law. A regulation is created by a governmental agency, often to actually implement a given law, and does not have to go through the bill process described above. With regulations, an agency holds a public hearing and after that hearing makes a decision on either adopting, changing or rejecting the regulation.
Laws are also rules that govern everyone equally, while regulations only effect those who deal directly with the agency who is enforcing them. In other words, a law can govern the action of both the DEP and the FBI, but the DEP cannot write regulations that would be enforceable to the FBI."


Laws vs Regulations: What's the Difference?



"Letter of the Law

Laws are the products of written statutes, passed by either the U.S. Congress or state legislatures. The legislatures create bills that, when passed by a vote, become statutory law.

For example, in response to the stock market crash of 1929, Congress passed the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934 in an effort to curb securities fraud and insider trading. The Act is codified in the United States Code as Title 15, Section 78a, and, among other things, prohibits the disclosure of false or misleading information related to securities transactions. The Securities and Exchange Act also created the Securities and Exchange Commission, tasked with enforcing federal securities laws.

Rules of Regulations

Regulations, on the other hand, are standards and rules adopted by administrative agencies that govern how laws will be enforced. So an agency like the SEC can have its own regulations for enforcing major securities laws. For instance, while the Securities and Exchange Act prohibits using insider or nonpublic information to make trades, the SEC can have its own rules on how it will investigate charges of insider trading.

Like laws, regulations are codified and published so that parties are on notice regarding what is and isn't legal. And regulations often have the same force as laws, since, without them, regulatory agencies wouldn't be able to enforce laws..."


What's the Difference Between Laws and Regulations?

 

[Rich2018]

Well, then there is NO need for what you want because it already exists in the United States anyway...

So you admit you were WRONG when you said:


"There is no part of Nevada where prostitution is legal. There are a few counties where brothels are legal, but otherwise prostitution is not."


Post #235


Legalizing prostitution would make it legal in ALL parts of the USA - and NOT just in licensed brothels.

 

[Rich2018]

Since prostitution is already legal, and since I am the only one who has time and again attempted to make this more than a debate over the mythical Best Whorehouse in the West, absurd assertions leading to simpleton slogans even the person posting it doesn't believe, no point to this.

...next time I'm in Vegas I'll look up online what seems the best legal brothel with a hundred miles and drive out and check it out....I draw all conclusions from what I have seen and experienced myself....of course you won't believe anything that is other than what you want reality to be...

No attempt to support your many lies ?

How about your claim that no-one has used the term "actress" for DECADES ?
(I assume the Motion Picture Academy is covered by the term "no-one")

OK, enjoy your trip to Vegas...if you want to talk about how to improve prostitution in Nevada, then fine

I accept reality from another poster by what he/she can PROVE or logically deduce.
Your personal opinion and tall tales cut no ice.