Private industry is not always the superior solution.

[aociswundumho]

Except for your vagina or in school

Well, I'm far right. Please explain how my views amount to control over someone's vagina or school.

 

[vegas giants]

Well, I'm far right. Please explain how my views amount to control over someone's vagina or school.

Abortion and school prayer for starters.

 

[aociswundumho]

Abortion and school prayer for starters.

I have no desire to limit abortion, and I'm not familiar with any hardcore libertarians who do.

Get rid of government-run schools and the issue of school prayer goes away just like that.

 

[vegas giants]

I have no desire to limit abortion, and I'm not familiar with any hardcore libertarians who do.

Get rid of government-run schools and the issue of school prayer goes away just like that.

Yeah the right wing in this country does not support eliminating abortion or school prayer.


Come on dude

 

[aociswundumho]

Yeah the right wing in this country does not support eliminating abortion or school prayer.

No, Republicans do, and as I pointed out earlier, Republicans can be quite statist.

Can you imagine any libertarian saying something like this:

 

[vegas giants]

No, Republicans do, and as I pointed out earlier, Republicans can be quite statist.

Can you imagine any libertarian saying something like this:

I said right wing.

Dont deny it.


Right wing are not all libertarians

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Virtually all of the famines which happened during the entire 20th century were caused by socialism.

I hope that the farmers of the United States who were dying of hunger in the Great Depression were proud of the fact that they live under capitalism. I hope that the Hindus in 1943 feel the same:
"The Bengal famine of 1943 was a famine in the Bengal province of British India (now Bangladesh and eastern India) during World War II. ... Historians usually characterise the famine as anthropogenic (man-made), asserting that wartime colonial policies created and then exacerbated the crisis."

 

[aociswundumho]

I said right wing.

Dont deny it.


Right wing are not all libertarians

Deny what? The fact that you can't follow a simple argument is your problem, not mine. Here's the claim:

bongsaway: Is there a difference between the right and republicans?

Me: Yes, Republicans can be quite statist.

Republicans are on the right, but not by much. As you move rightward you get less and less government. As you move leftward you get more and more government.

 

[vegas giants]

Deny what? The fact that you can't follow a simple argument is your problem, not mine. Here's the claim:

bongsaway: Is there a difference between the right and republicans?

Me: Yes, Republicans can be quite statist.

Republicans are on the right, but not by much. As you move rightward you get less and less government. As you move leftward you get more and more government.

Dude that is not me.

I said right wing. DUH

 

[aociswundumho]

I hope that the Hindus in 1943 feel the same:
"The Bengal famine of 1943 was a famine in the Bengal province of British India (now Bangladesh and eastern India) during World War II. ... Historians usually characterise the famine as anthropogenic (man-made), asserting that wartime colonial policies created and then exacerbated the crisis."

That's public control, not private. It's call war socialism.

Capitalists want profits, and they only get profits from food by selling food at a price people are willing to pay. That's why in countries where food is sold on the market people are fat, and in countries where the means of production regarding food is controlled by the state people are usually starving.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Capitalists want profits, and they only get profits from food by selling food at a price people are willing to pay.

Not true. The history of capitalism has shown us many times how capitalists, who did not want to reduce the price of food, simply destroyed food in front of starving people.

 

[aociswundumho]

Not true. The history of capitalism has shown us many times how capitalists, who did not want to reduce the price of food, simply destroyed food in front of starving people.

Really. A greedy capitalist is going to go through the time and expense of producing a product, and then destroy it rather than lower the price. I agree it would be consistent with capitalism - if you grow the food you have every right not to sell it if you don't want to. How about providing some specific examples of this happening?

If you mention the kulaks I'm gonna puke.

 

[devildavid]

Virtually all of the famines which happened during the entire 20th century were caused by socialism.

No, that is not what caused virtually all famines during the 20th century, and there is no evidence of it at all.

 

[devildavid]

Well, I'm far right. Please explain how my views amount to control over someone's vagina or school.

So because you identify as far right you think that means the entire far right thinks exactly like you do? Your views represent your views, not the views of some mythical far right. Views on the far right span a hell of a lot more then your personal views.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

 

[Ringo Stalin]

How about providing some specific examples of this happening?
If you mention the kulaks I'm gonna puke.

You know about kulaks, but never heard about hunger in US during Great depression?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUxnk0JWAAIALih.png

Culling the Herds during the 1930s Depression

livinghistoryfarm.org

The burning of the grain in the furnaces

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5308/93582176.38/0_ce1d5_a1d9b65d_orig

During this:

https://www.mzk1.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/ludi-2.jpg

A quote from The Grapes of Wrath

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of o...

www.goodreads.com

 

[aociswundumho]

You know about kulaks, but never heard about hunger in US during Great depression?

When I mentioned famines caused by socialism, I was talking about mass starvation and death - literally millions of people. At the worst point of the great depression, a few hundred people died, and the great depression was caused by government playing around with the money supply.

Culling the Herds during the 1930s Depression

livinghistoryfarm.org

Perhaps you should read links before posting them:

During the early years of the Depression, livestock prices dropped disastrously. Officials with the New Deal believed prices were down because farmers were still producing too many commodities like hogs and cotton. The solution proposed in the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 was to reduce the supply.

So, in the late spring of 1933, the federal government carried out "emergency livestock reductions." In Nebraska, the government bought about 470,000 cattle and 438,000 pigs. Nationwide, six million hogs were purchased from desperate farmers. In the South, one million farmers were paid to plow under 10.4 million acres of cotton.

The hogs and cattle were simply killed. In Nebraska, thousands were shot and buried in deep pits. Farmers hated to sell their herds, but they had no choice. The federal buy-out saved many farmers from bankruptcy, and AAA payments became the chief source of income for many that year.

It was a bitter pill for farmers to swallow. They had worked hard to raise those crops and livestock, and they absolutely hated to see them killed and the meat go to waste. Critics charged that the AAA was pushing a "policy of scarcity," killing little pigs simply to increase prices when many people were going hungry.

The farmers are the capitalists in this scenario. The AAA was part of FDR's rotten New Deal that idiot progressives believe was so wonderful. The wasting of food that you blamed on capitalists was actually caused by America's first and thankfully only democratic socialist moron president, who, when he wasn't ordering that livestock be killed, was rounding up innocent people and putting them in concentration camps.

A quote from The Grapes of Wrath

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of o...

www.goodreads.com

That book is a work of fiction ffs.

 

[aociswundumho]

So because you identify as far right you think that means the entire far right thinks exactly like you do?

You will not find anyone on the far right who supports prayer in school. The farther right you go the less government you want. Nobody on the far right even supports public schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

This article is maintaining the myth that Hilter and Mussolini were "right wing". It's a shockingly stupid myth, which puts someone like Mussolini next to Milton Friedman on the political spectrum.

Mussolini was arguably the founder of fascism and he was clearly a leftist:

Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

No. Fascism is on the political left. It's just socialism with a nationalist bent. Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist and Italy under fascism was a progressive's wet dream. Mussolini spent big on the public sector: A former school teacher, Mussolini’s spending on the public...

debatepolitics.com

Note that no one disputed any of the points in that post about Mussolini's left wing credentials.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Note that no one disputed any of the points in that post about Mussolini's left wing credentials.

Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of financial capital. Fascism is not a superclass power, nor is it the power of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen proletariat over financial capital. Fascism is the power of financial capital itself. This is the organization of a terrorist massacre of the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in its crudest form, cultivating zoological hatred against other peoples (с) Georgi Dimitrov

Feel free to find socialism in this definition of fashism.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Humanity takes accelerated courses that teach that the choice between socialism and capitalism is the watershed between humanism and misanthropy. All the rest of the verbal tinsel had almost completely evaporated.
I will explain the situation in simple terms . The West in the face of financial capital centers without any polities puts the question squarely - in modern capitalism you either obey like slaves and do as you are ordered, or your life is made almost impossible.

 

[devildavid]

You will not find anyone on the far right who supports prayer in school. The farther right you go the less government you want. Nobody on the far right even supports public schools.


This article is maintaining the myth that Hilter and Mussolini were "right wing". It's a shockingly stupid myth, which puts someone like Mussolini next to Milton Friedman on the political spectrum.

Mussolini was arguably the founder of fascism and he was clearly a leftist:

Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

No. Fascism is on the political left. It's just socialism with a nationalist bent. Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist and Italy under fascism was a progressive's wet dream. Mussolini spent big on the public sector: A former school teacher, Mussolini’s spending on the public...

debatepolitics.com

Note that no one disputed any of the points in that post about Mussolini's left wing credentials.

Your claims are false. The far right does not fit your narrow definition. Going farther right does not mean libertarian. There are libertarians on the far right and far left. According to you, the true far right would be anarchists. Yet the far fight accuse the far left of being anarchists.

Fascism is a right wing political ideology. Fascists fought Communists. Why? Were the Communists not left wing enough for them? No one calls Mussolini's fascist ideology leftist in any way.

According the you, the right occupies this ultra tiny minority view, so small as to be almost undetectable in history. And in your view the left is represented by every single political ideology ever invented. So did the true right wing die when monarchies came to an end. Or were they left wing too? You have no idea what right wing means.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/The-partisans-and-the-Resistance

https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/Anti-Fascist-movements

 

[aociswundumho]

There are libertarians on the far right and far left.

The most prominent "left libertarian" is probably Noam Chomsky, and he luved the Khmer Rouge and Hugo Chavez, which means that in reality he is just other rotten commie. There is nothing libertarian about Noam Chomsky. The term "left libertarian" is as incoherent as the term "market socialism" or "state capitalism".

According to you, the true far right would be anarchists.

Correct, ancaps are the farthest right.

Yet the far fight accuse the far left of being anarchists.

No, some Republicans do that. I'm far right, and I know for a fact that filthy leftists worship the state.

Fascism is a right wing political ideology.

No it isn't. Mussolini did everything modern progressives approve of. Massive public spending, especially on public education, a large and expansive welfare state, and nationalization of certain industries. That's all left wing. Did you know FDR had a man-crush on Mussolini? Birds of a feather...

Fascists fought Communists. Why? Were the Communists not left wing enough for them?

Leftists are inherently violent, deranged people, and they are always killing each other. The Bolsheviks murdered the Mensheviks, does that mean the Bolsheviks were right wing? Or consider how many commies Stalin had executed during the great purge. Do that make Stalin right wing?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

That's public control, not private. It's call war socialism.

Capitalists want profits, and they only get profits from food by selling food at a price people are willing to pay. That's why in countries where food is sold on the market people are fat, and in countries where the means of production regarding food is controlled by the state people are usually starving.

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“According to Gallup’s findings, cited by the OECD, Americans are far more likely to say they were unable to pay for food than citizens of other rich countries. In 2011 and 2012, 21 percent of U.S. citizens reported food trouble, versus 8 percent of British survey takers, 6 percent of Swedes, and 5 percent of Germans. Estonia and Hungary had bigger problems with food affordability than the U.S., but both are relatively poor among developed nations.”

America May Have the Worst Hunger Problem of Any Rich Nation

During the recession, the number of Americans threatened by hunger skyrocketed. But during the recovery, as the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported...

slate.com

 

[devildavid]

The most prominent "left libertarian" is probably Noam Chomsky, and he luved the Khmer Rouge and Hugo Chavez, which means that in reality he is just other rotten commie. There is nothing libertarian about Noam Chomsky. The term "left libertarian" is as incoherent as the term "market socialism" or "state capitalism".



Correct, ancaps are the farthest right.



No, some Republicans do that. I'm far right, and I know for a fact that filthy leftists worship the state.



No it isn't. Mussolini did everything modern progressives approve of. Massive public spending, especially on public education, a large and expansive welfare state, and nationalization of certain industries. That's all left wing. Did you know FDR had a man-crush on Mussolini? Birds of a feather...



Leftists are inherently violent, deranged people, and they are always killing each other. The Bolsheviks murdered the Mensheviks, does that mean the Bolsheviks were right wing? Or consider how many commies Stalin had executed during the great purge. Do that make Stalin right wing?

Your use of the term "filthy leftists" is revealing. And all you crap about inherent traits of leftists. You are the one who sounds deranged. Your post is evidence of it. Thanks for revealing your biased, prejudiced, and flat out wrong views of political ideology.

 

[devildavid]

That's public control, not private. It's call war socialism.

Capitalists want profits, and they only get profits from food by selling food at a price people are willing to pay. That's why in countries where food is sold on the market people are fat, and in countries where the means of production regarding food is controlled by the state people are usually starving

People are fat when they can't afford healthy food and fill up on cheap junk food.

 

[aociswundumho]

Your use of the term "filthy leftists" is revealing. And all you crap about inherent traits of leftists. You are the one who sounds deranged. Your post is evidence of it. Thanks for revealing your biased, prejudiced, and flat out wrong views of political ideology.

Note that you didn't even attempt to rebut a single point.