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President Orrin Hatch

calamity said:
With Orrin third in a line behind Pence and Ryan to replace Trump a lot of things have to fall in place. But, the pieces are certainly there.

Odds Don resigns are probably pretty good right now. So, let's say that within a year or less that is a done deal.

Now, of course, Pence is nowhere near as embroiled in this malarkey as Don, but is he clean? I'd say not likely. At the very least, as head of Trump's transition team, he knew more about Flynn than he has let on. Perhaps he even covered up what he knew. And, if so, therein lies the danger. I'd say, Pence is in at least as much hot water as Don.

Then comes Paul Ryan. What did he know and when? Well, we know he knew Trump was on the Russian payroll---he was caught on tape telling the other House Republicans to stop talking about that. Is that enough to take him down? I doubt it. But, where there is one cover up, more are sure to lie beneath it.

President Orrin Hatch would be a pretty good ending to this current nightmare. What say you?
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Wow!

This is quite a reach, no?

Trump isn't even a direct subject of the investigation, that we know (as of yet). And even then, the GOP hold Congress.
 
Crovax said:
You do realize that the chain of secession only works like that if they all resign at the same time. If Trump resigned Pence would become President and Pence would pick a VP to be confirmed by the Senate.
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Yeah he had me confused too, and I also missed "resigned" due to the body of the post being chain of succession.

BTW - "Secession" means 'to split away'.
 
Vetplus40 said:
And Pence's support for Trump would all but guarantee that he would not be re-elected. Ala Nixon-Ford.
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Yeah, but the GOP could get a ****-ton of legislation through until then ...
 
haymarket said:
If Trump is illegitimate because the Russians and Comey helped him win - Pence is by nature illegitimate also as he was elected on the same ticket by the same vote process as Trump.
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But if there was impeachment, it would be brought on the pretext of a crime. Pence would have had to be in on it.
 
Fletch said:
That's probably because you have been too immersed in Trump hatred to actually listen to what others say. Trump was in free fall after the ***** grabbing tape and his debate performances and Hillary was on her way to a comfortable win. Then Comey announced he was re-opening the investigation and that breathed new life into the Trump campaign.
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Agreed.

Though unbeknownst to us, Trump had support in excess of where he was polling. But yes, as close as it was I do believe the letter was the coup de grace for Mrs. Clinton.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah he had me confused too, and I also missed "resigned" due to the body of the post being chain of succession.

BTW - "Secession" means 'to split away'.
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Yeah auto correct on my phone and it was too late to edit
 
haymarket said:
If Trump resigns, the people should demand the same from Pence. If Trump is impeached, a public demand for a Pence resignation would depend on the articles and reasons for impeachment.
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If President Trump is found guilty of something, which is not likely to happen and is far different than impeachment, which is also not likely to happen, then it will President Pence.

What be the justification to demand Pence's resignation?

Hint for the left. There will not a President Democrat until at least 2020.
 
calamity said:
With Orrin third in a line behind Pence and Ryan to replace Trump a lot of things have to fall in place. But, the pieces are certainly there.

Odds Don resigns are probably pretty good right now. So, let's say that within a year or less that is a done deal.

Now, of course, Pence is nowhere near as embroiled in this malarkey as Don, but is he clean? I'd say not likely. At the very least, as head of Trump's transition team, he knew more about Flynn than he has let on. Perhaps he even covered up what he knew. And, if so, therein lies the danger. I'd say, Pence is in at least as much hot water as Don.

Then comes Paul Ryan. What did he know and when? Well, we know he knew Trump was on the Russian payroll---he was caught on tape telling the other House Republicans to stop talking about that. Is that enough to take him down? I doubt it. But, where there is one cover up, more are sure to lie beneath it.

President Orrin Hatch would be a pretty good ending to this current nightmare. What say you?
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Somebody's been watching ABC's Designated Survivor way to much.
 
Chomsky said:
Wow!

This is quite a reach, no?

Trump isn't even a direct subject of the investigation, that we know (as of yet). And even then, the GOP hold Congress.
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I see Trump as a quitter when the going gets tough. And, the going is getting tough.
 
Fletch said:
Well, I don't turn to you to define what is, and is not, rational but the Russia story cut both ways. Yes, some stories may have hurt Hillary, but Trump was being skewered daily back then as being in the pocket of Putin. Remember the debate moment where Hillary called Trump a puppet? Manafort was canned due to his ties to Russia and the issue dogged him the entire fall. As for the emails, not one was to or from Hillary and really did little to harm her. They embarrassed the DNC a bit and some low level staffers, but didn't really dent her campaign. Pretending that the Russians were a factor is what is not even rational.
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Let me me direct here. Any person who denies that the Russians interfered in our election is deemed as unfit for rational discussion in my humble opinion. I would not any longer waste my time pursuing that line of argument with them than I would going to an institution trying to convince somebody they are not Napoleon.
 
jimbo said:
If President Trump is found guilty of something, which is not likely to happen and is far different than impeachment, which is also not likely to happen, then it will President Pence.

What be the justification to demand Pence's resignation?

Hint for the left. There will not a President Democrat until at least 2020.
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The justification would be that the Trump/Pence ticket was illegitimate and neither should hold office.
 
haymarket said:
The justification would be that the Trump/Pence ticket was illegitimate and neither should hold office.
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You run with that. See how far you get.

I may have mentioned this before, but the qualifications, i.e. legitimate President or VP, are 35 yo, natural born citizen, 14 year resident.

Which one of these might the President/VP have violated?
 
jimbo said:
You run with that. See how far you get.

I may have mentioned this before, but the qualifications, i.e. legitimate President or VP, are 35 yo, natural born citizen, 14 year resident.

Which one of these might the President/VP have violated?
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Actually I am getting really far over the last four months.

btw- I never said they did not meet the Constitutional qualifications.
 
haymarket said:
Let me me direct here. Any person who denies that the Russians interfered in our election is deemed as unfit for rational discussion in my humble opinion. I would not any longer waste my time pursuing that line of argument with them than I would going to an institution trying to convince somebody they are not Napoleon.
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Not sure what that has to do with anything I said, but perhaps that is just your way of avoiding discussion that challenges your worldview.
 
haymarket said:
Actually I am getting really far over the last four months.

btw- I never said they did not meet the Constitutional qualifications.
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Is there another valid legitimate qualification that would warrant impeachment then forced resignation for the new legitimate President. AFAIK you just don't like him is not a valid reason.
 
Fletch said:
Not sure what that has to do with anything I said, but perhaps that is just your way of avoiding discussion that challenges your worldview.
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No - its my acknowledgement that there are people to whom reality is an option due to their own skillful belief system of extremist politics and its ridiculous to try and convince them otherwise.

When at this point in time somebody says that there is no evidence that Russia was involved in our election - I take it as a sign of willful mental delusion rendering the person with that view as irrational and unworthy of consideration in actual debate.

And to try and debate the issue with them is like trying to debate with somebody who declares themselves as Napoleon and cannot be deterred from that delusion.

There is no difference.

Psychiatry recognizes that in some cases the willful denial of reality can be a form of delusion. So this is not an extreme view.
 
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jimbo said:
Is there another valid legitimate qualification that would warrant impeachment then forced resignation for the new legitimate President. AFAIK you just don't like him is not a valid reason.
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There is plenty.

The mechanism of the EC runs counter to principles of our nation in elections such as one person & one vote with no citizen having any more voting power than any other citizen.
The mechanism of the EC was not properly utilized according to the wishes of our Founders who created it and its safeguard FAILED to be exercised.
Even when the mechanism of the EC properly functions its built in flaw is that it can produce a EC winner who is actually the loser as picked by the American voters.
Comeys letter helped to tilt the election to Trump and it was illegal and against the standards of the FBI.
The Russian interference with help from Trump and his campaign renders the victory by him seriously tainted.

All these factors together render Trump and Pence as illegitimate.

Trump & Pence legally hold the office. But each citizen is free to render their own personal judgment on their legitimacy according to the standards and principles associated with that office and with the election.
 
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haymarket said:
There is plenty.

The mechanism of the EC runs counter to principles of our nation in elections such as one person & one vote with no citizen having any more voting power than any other citizen.
The mechanism of the EC was not properly utilized according to the wishes of our Founders who created it and its safeguard FAILED to be exercised.
Even when the mechanism of the EC properly functions its built in flaw is that it can produce a EC winner who is actually the loser as picked by the American voters.
Comeys letter helped to tilt the election to Trump and it was illegal and against the standards of the FBI.
The Russian interference with help from Trump and his campaign renders the victory by him seriously tainted.

All these factors together render Trump and Pence as illegitimate.

Trump & Pence legally hold the office. But each citizen is free to render their own personal judgment on their legitimacy according to the standards and principles associated with that office and with the election.
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Then you need to take it up with your Congress Critters. You are going to need a Constitutional amendment, either by the amendment process, or a Constitutional Convention. Something, of all goes well, you may get your wish in 10 or 20 years. Meanwhile, President Trump is President, and VP Pence is VP. And if you win it still will not affect this administration.
 
jimbo said:
Then you need to take it up with your Congress Critters. You are going to need a Constitutional amendment, either by the amendment process, or a Constitutional Convention. Something, of all goes well, you may get your wish in 10 or 20 years. Meanwhile, President Trump is President, and VP Pence is VP. And if you win it still will not affect this administration.
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Elections like 2000 and 2016 help advance change in this area. The American people will have something to say about that. Trump only makes it easier.
 
haymarket said:
Elections like 2000 and 2016 help advance change in this area. The American people will have something to say about that. Trump only makes it easier.
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Have at it. You've got a job ahead of you.
 
haymarket said:
There is plenty.

The mechanism of the EC runs counter to principles of our nation in elections such as one person & one vote with no citizen having any more voting power than any other citizen.
The mechanism of the EC was not properly utilized according to the wishes of our Founders who created it and its safeguard FAILED to be exercised.
Even when the mechanism of the EC properly functions its built in flaw is that it can produce a EC winner who is actually the loser as picked by the American voters.
Comeys letter helped to tilt the election to Trump and it was illegal and against the standards of the FBI.
The Russian interference with help from Trump and his campaign renders the victory by him seriously tainted.

All these factors together render Trump and Pence as illegitimate.

Trump & Pence legally hold the office. But each citizen is free to render their own personal judgment on their legitimacy according to the standards and principles associated with that office and with the election.
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The very point of the EC was so a President wasnt elected by the mob.

What was illegal about Comey's letter. Cite the law.


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Aberration said:
The very point of the EC was so a President wasnt elected by the mob.

What was illegal about Comey's letter. Cite the law.


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IMO, Comey sending the letter to congress was him meeting a legal obligation. Chaffetz leaking it to the Right Wing press might have been a crime, however--specifically it was a Hatch Act violation by a member of Congress.
 
haymarket said:
The Hatch Act.

Comey Violated The Hatch Act And Must Be Fired | HuffPost


And if that does not float your boat, Comey openly violated longstanding department policies. Even the Trump administration admits that.

READ: Rosenstein’s Memo That Led to James Comey’s Firing | Heavy.com
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Just because his letter was related to a politician in a political election does not mean the letter was political. If such were true it could just as easily be said that the FBI investigation of Trump and Russia is political.


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