President Obama's Real Record: The Facts

[a351]

Massive losses of wealth occurred in the 81-82 recession as well as people were forced to throw their house keys at lending institutions, higher unemployment, higher inflation, higher misery index which affected more Americans than this one.

The losses in wealth don't hold a candle to the global effects of the 07-09 recession, which saw the average household lose around 2/5 of their personal wealth in a span of two years, and total wealth losses estimated to total around 19 trillion. Unemployment peaked at a higher level during the 80's, but again, the trough to peak numbers were neither as severe nor as numerous by comparison. The distinct difference between the two that renders the more recent recession tougher to crack are the downright negligible personal savings figures at the time of the crash and the predictably reactionary nature of those figures post recession which render most attempts at increased consumer activity marginally effective at best. In the 80's, the easing of monetary policy and the existing consumer base simply itching to reinvest excess capital back into the economy was a simple and wildly effective solution and a luxury not afforded to current policy makers. Structural trends will simply not be broken by a magic wand, despite what some may tell you.

 

[Conservative]

There you go again.

Spewing misinformation as fact. Your post is indicative of the fact that you don't really understand what a liquidity based economy means, when your primary funding sources dry up and stop providing the same level of compensating balances that enable the same level of credit through the economy. I've written about this in several other threads, chasing down your failures to accurately describe WHY there is such slow job growth, even after the technical recession is over.

But, you don't care that a liquidity based economy is different than a manufacturing based economy and you don't care that such a infrastructural differential will mean slower than normal economic recover on the jobs scene. All you want to do is score what you think are political points, while never being honest enough to realize just how weak your argument is in the light of what real economists like Northwestern University's Robert Gordon, Harvard's Jeffrey Frankel, and Stanford's Robert Hall have declared about WHY are economy will not be able to put on job growth as seen in the past - given the structural differentials between the economy of 1980/1982 and 2007/2008.

You just do not posses the ability to be intellectually honest about the matter. So, why do you even bother?




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Posting "numbers'' DO NOT explain HOW we got there and how severe the problems were BEFORE we got there. You never address those issues because doing so, would force you to admit that George W. Bush, and his wars for Oil, PSA Contracts and Halliburton No Bid Contracts, are at the heart of the causation. You also have failed to demonstrate that you know anything about the well known concept of Economic Momentum.

Even a small child could understand that, if you put a bowling ball at the top of a tilted plank and allowed it to roll to the bottom, that the ball would have more Momentum near the bottom of the tilted plank, than it would while at rest near the top, or at any point along its path to the bottom.

Intuitive, you could demonstrate that to a small child and they would understand it - intuitively, even if they could not describe the Newtonian Mathematics that drive it. Similarly, you could describe to that same small child, the concept of a near $14 trillion economy, retaining "some" of its negative momentum even AFTER a technical recession has been declared as being no longer in existence and especially when that economy was so dependent on liquidity from China, Germany and Japan.

You know, trying to discuss this matter with you like an adult, has proven to be utterly impossible - because you continually inject your irrational "numbers" into a formula that simply rejects your inputs as being insufficient to calculate a result.

Goodnight, I'll see you guys after the Vice Presidential debate. Maybe by then, you will have developed some intellectual honesty on things economic.

Results matter and the Obama results tell it all. You can write books and novels but you cannot defend the indefensible. The numbers posted are today, the worst recovery from a recession in history. Obama cannot be fully blamed for the recession he inherited but he sure can be blamed for the terrible recovery we have.

You are great at writing a book that says basically nothing because the results trump your rhetoric and the electorate is seeing that. Amazing how "Intellectually" honest Obama supporters really are.

Don't you find it telling that Romney is surging in the polls inspite off all those so called accomplishments of Obama? It would be helpful if you just told us all when exactly the economic results and economy become Obama's responsibility? It would be helpful when the attack on our embassies and killing of our Ambassador becomes the responsibility of Obama?

It does seem that the electorate isn't buying your novels. Wonder why?

 

[Conservative]

The losses in wealth don't hold a candle to the global effects of the 07-09 recession, which saw the average household lose around 2/5 of their personal wealth in a span of two years, and total wealth losses estimated to total around 19 trillion. Unemployment peaked at a higher level during the 80's, but again, the trough to peak numbers were neither as severe nor as numerous by comparison. The distinct difference between the two that renders the more recent recession tougher to crack are the downright negligible personal savings figures at the time of the crash and the predictably reactionary nature of those figures post recession which render most attempts at increased consumer activity marginally effective at best. In the 80's, the easing of monetary policy and the existing consumer base simply itching to reinvest excess capital back into the economy was a simple and wildly effective solution and a luxury not afforded to current policy makers. Structural trends will simply not be broken by a magic wand, despite what some may tell you.

That is certainly your opinion but obviously from someone who has no experience with the 81-82 recession. The average household only lost money if they sold their homes but the effects of low interest rates benefited all.

What made the 81-82 recession worse was the fact that it was basically a double dip, something we are about to see under a second term of Obama. We came out of the 81-82 recession with leadership that showed a 7.5% GDP growth in 1984 when Reagan was running for re-election.

What I cannot comprehend is why so many continue to support Obama who spends more time on entertainment shows, playing golf, going on vacation than he does meeting with the Congress to solve problems or meeting with his jobs' council. Leadership is about taking responsibility not delegating it. Leadership is about working with all to solve the problems not claiming "elections have consequences and I won." Leadership is about uniting people not dividing them. Leadership is about playing the hand you are dealt not blaming someone else for the hand that you have.

Obama said it best and knew what he had in 2009 when he said that if he didn't solve the problems in 4 years he would be a one term President. It is time to take him up on that statement.

 

[Hairytic]

Disclaimer: I've condensed your post for space.

Politifact is a left wing website pretending to be a fact checking organization.

Politifact Beclowns Itself. Again. - 620 WTMJ - Milwaukee's Source for Local News and Weather

Obama PROMISES To Cut Deficit In Half By 2012 - YouTube

Amount of debt Obama has added since he took office = Nearly 6 trillion



Right off the bat you try and set up your endless strawmen with a false premise. The only "hot" stories the MSM wants to keep smoldering as long as they can are stories that affect Republicans. They bury, obfuscate, and work as operatives for the Obama Administration. They ran with his Benghazi lies, ambushed Romney with his talking points at a press conference, and repeat his talking points endlessly without question.



I was looking at some of Obama's "kept" promises and it doesn't even pass the laugh test. One was "Increase minority access to capital" which was described as:



That's code speak for wealth redistribution. The only way your Government can allocate capital is if taxes, borrows, or spends. So yes, technically you could claim this was a "promise kept" since Obama is handing minorities other people's money, but at what cost to the overall Economy? It's inefficient to take private capital out of the markets, cycle it through WA, and then give it to someone else to put it back where the Government took it from in the first place. This is ambiguous language at best and it allows a corrupt left wing organization like Politifact to be very loose with their standards and how they apply those standards. It's called selection bias.

1. Nearly 6 trillion new deficit added within 4 years
2. 14.7 U6 Unemployment
3. Lowest LFPR in decades
4. 1 in 6 Americans in poverty
5. Median income down more than 4K
6. HC premiums up despite claims they would be reduced
7. Obamacare tax and other massive taxes on the poor, middle class, and small businesses
8. 70% of small business say they don't want to hire because of Obamacare
9. 54% of all college graduates aged 25 and younger are unemployed or underemployed. Imagine getting a BA and the only job you can get is at McDonald's. Not only that, but you're in debt up to your eyeballs with student loans which are currently sitting at 1T with interest rates set to rise. What could possibly go wrong?
10. 47 M Americans on Food Stamps
11. Obama is spending 24.5% of Total GDP. The highest since WW2
12. His Stimulus was a massive failure filled with waste/fraud/abuse
13. Our credit rating was downgraded
14. New business creation is at an all time low. This is huge.
15. Solar Energy Company Touted By Obama Goes Bankrupt - ABC News

And did I mention Benghazi yet?



It's obvious the destruction he is wreaking on the Economy is purposeful. He wants to be in the position of power to put everything back together after it crashes. That's the plan. Overload the Entitlement System. Put your foot on the gas and speed up collapse. "Never let a crisis go to waste".



Which 2 wars? You claim "Obama ended the Iraq War"

GDP Growth was revised DOWN to 1.3% Manufacturing Jobs are on the decline.

Team Obama said in



Small Business on Obamacare: No Reason to Hire or Invest - US Business News - CNBC





And our Economy is in the toilet. It's time for someone new. He had his chance and he failed.



You're assuming that Obama had to "put something in place" for there to be job creation. Who taught you that? Secondly the Economy isn't even creating enough jobs to keep up with population growth.

ETA Press Release: Unemployment Insurance Weekly Claims Report



It wasn't 800K jobs a month endlessly either. There was initial job loss in the beginning of the recession. That's why it's called a recession. It wasn't endlessly losing 800K jobs a month for years or something. Reagan inherited a worse situation than Obama and had a robust and growing economy within 3 years.



Why doesn't Obama take their money. Maybe if he spent their 5 trillion like he spent the last nearly 6 trillion utopia will be realized right? What could possibly go wrong? What makes Obama more qualified to invest Capital? Go look at Obama's record as an Investment banker with other people's money and tell us all why we should trust him with another 5 trillion. Thanks.



This is just dressed up class warfare rhetoric

Do you understand that The Fed has been printing worthless paper for years and flooding Wall St. with cheap money? It's like crack except we all end up PAYING THE PRICE.

2013 State Business Tax Climate Index | Tax Foundation

What utter rubbish ... seriously ... Do you understand how a Free Market Economy actually works? I'm genuinely curious. Should they be forced to invest Capital? Where are you going with this?



American Companies are not obliged to bail out Obama with their hard earned capital after he fails and wastes trillions. Sorry. For any future replies please feel free to review this post.

So, to sum up your post:
1. The MSM is working for Obama. (Laughable. This is a sign of desperation. When you don't like the news, claim it is against your guy.)
2. Don't vote for Romney, vote against Obama.
3. The minorities are being handed all the wealthy people's money. (Taxation is redistribution of wealth, and it isn't being handed to the minorities. If it was, the minorities would be mega wealthy by now.)
4. Obama is to blame for what happened in Benghazi. (The Republicans voted to reduce the amount of money we spend on security at embassies.)
5. Obama has an evil plan to crash the economy. (Obama has strengthened the economy sense he has been in office. The GOP have tried to obstruct his work on the economy.)
6. Obama didn't end the Iraq war. ( Are you kidding me?)
7. Obama didn't accomplish what he accomplished.
8. Obamacare will crash the economy. (Even though Romney will repeal it and replace it with the same thing.)
9. Glen Beck told me the US is printing up worthless money, so I should invest in Gold.
10. American companies should get some of our redistributed wealth without stipulating that they have to create jobs in the US and not in China or India.

 

[Conservative]

So, to sum up your post:
1. The MSM is working for Obama. (Laughable. This is a sign of desperation. When you don't like the news, claim it is against your guy.)
2. Don't vote for Romney, vote against Obama.
3. The minorities are being handed all the wealthy people's money. (Taxation is redistribution of wealth, and it isn't being handed to the minorities. If it was, the minorities would be mega wealthy by now.)
4. Obama is to blame for what happened in Benghazi. (The Republicans voted to reduce the amount of money we spend on security at embassies.)
5. Obama has an evil plan to crash the economy. (Obama has strengthened the economy sense he has been in office. The GOP have tried to obstruct his work on the economy.)
6. Obama didn't end the Iraq war. ( Are you kidding me?)
7. Obama didn't accomplish what he accomplished.
8. Obamacare will crash the economy. (Even though Romney will repeal it and replace it with the same thing.)
9. Glen Beck told me the US is printing up worthless money, so I should invest in Gold.
10. American companies should get some of our redistributed wealth without stipulating that they have to create jobs in the US and not in China or India.

Just goes to show how little you really know about what is going and how easily you are brainwashed. Absolutely amazing the loyalty you have for an incompetent, empty suit. Rather tough dealing with people like you, so much misinformation that it is hard deal with someone like you who doesn't want the facts.

I am waiting for a lot of answers to direct questions asked of you but still no answers. You challenge everything posted but never defend your comments with anything other than your own personal opinions. You obviously have never verified what you have been told by the DNC and willingly buy what you are told because that is what you want to believe. That makes you look rather foolish.

Republicans could stop nothing that Obama wanted to do his first two years and have offered nothing to show what legislation the GOP filibustered that would have helped the economy nor have you addressed the dozens of bills sitting in Harry Reid's desk passed by the House that he will not allow to the floor for debate.

Obama ended the war in Iraq? Do you know what the Status of Forces Agreement signed by Bush did? find out and get back to us

The numbers I have posted are the Obama results which you heard for the first time when Obama got his ass handed to him last Wednesday and yet results don't matter to you. That doesn't give you a lot of credibility

 

[Bobcat]

So, to sum up your post:
1. The MSM is working for Obama. (Laughable. This is a sign of desperation. When you don't like the news, claim it is against your guy.)
2. Don't vote for Romney, vote against Obama.
3. The minorities are being handed all the wealthy people's money. (Taxation is redistribution of wealth, and it isn't being handed to the minorities. If it was, the minorities would be mega wealthy by now.)
4. Obama is to blame for what happened in Benghazi. (The Republicans voted to reduce the amount of money we spend on security at embassies.)
5. Obama has an evil plan to crash the economy. (Obama has strengthened the economy sense he has been in office. The GOP have tried to obstruct his work on the economy.)
6. Obama didn't end the Iraq war. ( Are you kidding me?)
7. Obama didn't accomplish what he accomplished.
8. Obamacare will crash the economy. (Even though Romney will repeal it and replace it with the same thing.)
9. Glen Beck told me the US is printing up worthless money, so I should invest in Gold.
10. American companies should get some of our redistributed wealth without stipulating that they have to create jobs in the US and not in China or India.

1, the MSM is working for obama, that has been proven many times
2. Voting against obama is the only way to remove him, Romney may not be the perfect candidate, but he is 1000% better than obama
3. Obama WANTS to redistribute wealth, he has said that several times. Its not about minorities, its rich vs poor.
4. Obama is to blame for Banghazi, his admin was incompetent in providing security.
5. I don't know what is in the guy's head, but his policies have damaged the economy
6. Yes, he ended it, now the radical muslims are in control---what did those american kids die for?
7. He got obamacare rammed up our butts on a completely partisan vote, not an accomplishment when 65% of americans don't want it
8. Yes it will, businesses are already laying off people due to the cost of obamacare
9. Beck is right about inflation, I don't agree on the gold thing
10. Jobs are going overseas because of unions and taxes, if we want jobs in the US, make it attractive to do business in the US.

 

[CJ 2.0]

The losses in wealth don't hold a candle to the global effects of the 07-09 recession, which saw the average household lose around 2/5 of their personal wealth in a span of two years, and total wealth losses estimated to total around 19 trillion. Unemployment peaked at a higher level during the 80's, but again, the trough to peak numbers were neither as severe nor as numerous by comparison. The distinct difference between the two that renders the more recent recession tougher to crack are the downright negligible personal savings figures at the time of the crash and the predictably reactionary nature of those figures post recession which render most attempts at increased consumer activity marginally effective at best. In the 80's, the easing of monetary policy and the existing consumer base simply itching to reinvest excess capital back into the economy was a simple and wildly effective solution and a luxury not afforded to current policy makers. Structural trends will simply not be broken by a magic wand, despite what some may tell you.

We're doing pretty well up here in Canada.

There are a whole host of policies that led to your mess, and there is plenty of balme to go around to the democrats and republics (going as far back as Clinton-era initiatives). But Obama's approach and Obama's efforts have not contributed to recovery but rather have impeded it.

so sure, no magic wand. But your guy has seriously botched the job.

 

[a351]

We're doing pretty well up here in Canada.

There are a whole host of policies that led to your mess, and there is plenty of balme to go around to the democrats and republics (going as far back as Clinton-era initiatives).

But Obama's approach and Obama's efforts have not contributed to recovery but rather have impeded it.

so sure, no magic wand. But your guy has seriously botched the job.

Excellent! Although I assume you're speaking of your personal finances strictly, as Canada's growth figures have been downright anemic for the better part of a decade.

One could claim.

In what way? Seeing as we've been recession free for 3 years and change now, what impedition are you speaking of? Fact is that Obama has brought forth a handful of policies, some wildly unpopular among his opposition, that are credited with sparking a good chunk of the growth seen over the past few years.

In what conceivable manner? Botching the job would entail the economy worsening as a result of his policies, or failing to initiate a pragmatic solution when faced with said crisis. Neither of those occurrences have come to fruition, despite claims to the contrary.

 

[Hairytic]

1, the MSM is working for obama, that has been proven many times
2. Voting against obama is the only way to remove him, Romney may not be the perfect candidate, but he is 1000% better than obama
3. Obama WANTS to redistribute wealth, he has said that several times. Its not about minorities, its rich vs poor.
4. Obama is to blame for Banghazi, his admin was incompetent in providing security.
5. I don't know what is in the guy's head, but his policies have damaged the economy
6. Yes, he ended it, now the radical muslims are in control---what did those american kids die for?
7. He got obamacare rammed up our butts on a completely partisan vote, not an accomplishment when 65% of americans don't want it
8. Yes it will, businesses are already laying off people due to the cost of obamacare
9. Beck is right about inflation, I don't agree on the gold thing
10. Jobs are going overseas because of unions and taxes, if we want jobs in the US, make it attractive to do business in the US.

1. Where is your proof that the MSM is working for Obama.
2. I don't see how anyone would think Romney is a better choice than a gold fish, let alone Obama.
3. Obama's plan has nothing to do with rich v poor. He is calling for shared sacrifice. When the mega wealthy are paying less of a percent of their income than the rest of us, something is off balance. We have had a progressive tax system for longer than I have been alive. Why are Republicans against it now?
4. Obama can't force congress to raise the amount of money we spend on security of our embassies.
5. Obama hasn't damaged the economy. If you think so, show the proof.
6. We can not take over countries and run them based on our wishes. We should have never gone into Iraq.
7. I like Obamacare, and as time goes on people are starting to like it also. People who want good health care and don't want the insurance companies to control it.
8. The Jobs numbers are not showing massive lay offs.
9. I don't think Becky is right on anything. He isn't a economic expert. He is a shock jock.
10. So, you think Americans should work for the same amount that people in China and India are working? I think it's wrong to hand companies tax money and not stipulate that they create jobs in the US.

 

[Conservative]

Excellent!

One could claim, but it was largely a singular effort.

In what way? Seeing as we've been recession free for 3 years and change now, what impedition are you speaking of? Fact is that Obama has brought forth a handful of policies, some wildly unpopular among his opposition, that are credited with sparking and sustaining the recovery we've experienced for the past few years.

In what conceivable manner? Botching the job would entail the economy worsening as a result of his policies, or failing to initiate a pragmatic solution when faced with said crisis. Neither of those occurrences have come to fruition, despite claims to the contrary.

Please tell me how things are better today and headed in the right direction?

GDP growth-NO, 2010-2.4%, 2011-1.8%, 2012-1.3%

Unemployment-under employment-discouraged workers-22.7 million

Median income-Down $4000

Debt-5.6 trillion more than when he took office

Poverty-46 million Americans

Food Stamps-48 million Americans

Tell me how those numbers show recovery?

 

[Hairytic]

Just goes to show how little you really know about what is going and how easily you are brainwashed. Absolutely amazing the loyalty you have for an incompetent, empty suit. Rather tough dealing with people like you, so much misinformation that it is hard deal with someone like you who doesn't want the facts.

I am waiting for a lot of answers to direct questions asked of you but still no answers. You challenge everything posted but never defend your comments with anything other than your own personal opinions. You obviously have never verified what you have been told by the DNC and willingly buy what you are told because that is what you want to believe. That makes you look rather foolish.

Republicans could stop nothing that Obama wanted to do his first two years and have offered nothing to show what legislation the GOP filibustered that would have helped the economy nor have you addressed the dozens of bills sitting in Harry Reid's desk passed by the House that he will not allow to the floor for debate.

Obama ended the war in Iraq? Do you know what the Status of Forces Agreement signed by Bush did? find out and get back to us

The numbers I have posted are the Obama results which you heard for the first time when Obama got his ass handed to him last Wednesday and yet results don't matter to you. That doesn't give you a lot of credibility

It's tough dealing with people like me because I don't agree with you. You love to claim that everyone who doesn't agree with you is brainwashed. I don't think you present facts. You present spin.

 

[Conservative]

It's tough dealing with people like me because I don't agree with you. You love to claim that everyone who doesn't agree with you is brainwashed. I don't think you present facts. You present spin.

What do you call it when someone intentionally ignores actual data and facts if not being brainwashed? If you don't think I present facts then therein lies the problem, you have no idea what a fact is. All the numbers I post are verifiable. Apparently in your world that doesn't qualify as a fact nor have you ever refuted any of them.

 

[AdamT]

What do you call it when someone intentionally ignores actual data and facts if not being brainwashed?

What do you call it when someone intentionally ignores context and only considers results relevant with respect to the Democratic candidate and not the Republican candidate? I call it Conservative.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

So, to sum up your post:
1. The MSM is working for Obama. (Laughable. This is a sign of desperation. When you don't like the news, claim it is against your guy.)
2. Don't vote for Romney, vote against Obama.
3. The minorities are being handed all the wealthy people's money. (Taxation is redistribution of wealth, and it isn't being handed to the minorities. If it was, the minorities would be mega wealthy by now.)
4. Obama is to blame for what happened in Benghazi. (The Republicans voted to reduce the amount of money we spend on security at embassies.)
5. Obama has an evil plan to crash the economy. (Obama has strengthened the economy sense he has been in office. The GOP have tried to obstruct his work on the economy.)
6. Obama didn't end the Iraq war. ( Are you kidding me?)
7. Obama didn't accomplish what he accomplished.
8. Obamacare will crash the economy. (Even though Romney will repeal it and replace it with the same thing.)
9. Glen Beck told me the US is printing up worthless money, so I should invest in Gold.
10. American companies should get some of our redistributed wealth without stipulating that they have to create jobs in the US and not in China or India.

1. Technically speaking the MSM is not working for Obama. But they do support him to the tune of about 80-20.
2. Hard to really vote "for" either. Given the current state of the nation, though, it's hard to justify continuing on the path that Obama is taking us. Romney is thus "Hope and Change" 2.0
3. I can only imagine you are referring to benefits that illegals are receiving? It's small pittance in the greater scheme of things, I would agree... it just looks REALLY bad given the current state of the economy.
4. Obama is ABSOLUTELY to blame for what happened in Benghazi! And as far as those "Republican cuts" go, it was revealed yesterday in a congressional hearing on the matter that those cuts "had no effect on our ability to add the additional security which was requested" prior to the attacks and subsequently denied. This talking point was crushed and buried. Now would be a good time to acknowledge it and move on.
5. I wouldn't call Obama's plan for the economy evil. I would call it doomed to fail, though.
6. The plans winding down the war in Iraq were well underway before Obama took office. He merely followed what had already been laid out for him.
7. Huh???
8. The real effects of Obamacare on the economy won't be felt until 2014. Kind of curious that the full implementation of this wonderful piece of legislation is being delayed until after the election, don't you think?
9. Are you really going to try to argue that the US isn't printing money to buy it's own debt?? Please be better than that.
10. Kind of hard to quantify what constitutes "shipping jobs overseas" when nothing is manufactured in the USA anymore.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Excellent! Although I assume you're speaking of your personal finances strictly, as Canada's growth figures have been downright anemic for the better part of a decade.

One could claim.

In what way? Seeing as we've been recession free for 3 years and change now, what impedition are you speaking of? Fact is that Obama has brought forth a handful of policies, some wildly unpopular among his opposition, that are credited with sparking a good chunk of the growth seen over the past few years.

In what conceivable manner? Botching the job would entail the economy worsening as a result of his policies, or failing to initiate a pragmatic solution when faced with said crisis. Neither of those occurrences have come to fruition, despite claims to the contrary.

No, I mean our overall state of play. Our figures have typically been between the US and Europe in terms of structural unemployment, cause that's what you get when you have a more socialist-leaning system. But we weathered this recession exceptionally well, our unemployment rate is substantially below yours and much more in line with our typical (and well tolerated rate) and our federal deficits are being phased out over the next few years. Our currency has appreciated from 70 cents to above parity in just a few years, and our raw material export business is booming. Investment in oil and gas development continues a break-neck speed, wel have very low interest rates and minimal inflation.

We have done very, very well over the past decade, indeed, since the mid 90s. the early 90s recession hit us much harder, but we used that opportunity to put our house in order, balance budgets, and implement sensible, stabilizing policies. Hate to break it to you, but we are doing much better than you are, and it shows.

Incidentally, our house prices never dropped by anything material and are now well above pre-recession levels, so we also didn't take the wealth hit that you guys did (especially considering stock markets are up since pre-recession). that, with the high Canadian dollar, is causing more and more Canadians to look at real estate in Florida and Arizona. If it wern't for your estate taxes, I'm sure investment would be even higher.

But yeah, as for me, I'm doing just fine.

As for the rest, your "growth" has barely registered, and Obama's policies have prolonged the period of stagnation, lead to massive debt accumulation which will kill you once inflation picks up (which it invariably will since you are printing so much money), and impeded recovery.

And no, bothching the job means that he pulled things down, relative to the baseline. If your team would have scored 10 under par if you didn't screw things up but only scored a -6 because you did, it doesn't matter that you still finished below par. You still screwed up and the job was still botched.

 

[a351]

Please tell me how things are better today and headed in the right direction?

Pretty simple really, growth, sales, and employment figures have not seen net losses in a few years, pointing quite obviously to a economic recovery (albeit a meager one). There's quite simply no way in which one could construe the current economic climate to be less favorable than the one observed in early to mid 2009.

 

[winston53660]

What do you call it when someone intentionally ignores actual data and facts if not being brainwashed? I.

So you are admitting you're brainwashed.

 

[Hairytic]

What do you call it when someone intentionally ignores actual data and facts if not being brainwashed? If you don't think I present facts then therein lies the problem, you have no idea what a fact is. All the numbers I post are verifiable. Apparently in your world that doesn't qualify as a fact nor have you ever refuted any of them.

PResent me with some facts. This time, make sure you are presenting the full facts and not facts out of context.

 

[Conservative]

Pretty simple really, growth, sales, and employment figures have not seen net losses in a few years, pointing quite obviously to a economic recovery (albeit a meager one). There's quite simply no way in which one could construe the current economic climate to be less favorable than the one observed in early to mid 2009.

Hare, do you know the components of GDP, there are four of them. What do you think should happen when the govt. spends record dollars in the economy? This country wasn't built on the Obama vision and we are seeing the effects of that vision today, effects that you don't seem to understand.

Those that pay attention to the economic results disagree with you. This is the worst economic recovery in history and due entirely to zero leadership from Obama. How do you call it leadership when you implement a stimulus program that doesn't work and rather than fix the problem go on to healthcare which is a tax on small businesses which will hurt job creation?

How do you call it leadership when you don't meet with the Congress or your Jobs' Council but instead go on entertainment shows and campaign events?

How do you call it leadership when the leaders of the world show up at the UN and you go on the View rather than meet with any of them?

How do you call it leadership when our embassies are attacked, an Ambassador killed, and you go before the cameras, lie about the events, condemn the murder and then fly off to a campaign event?

too many people want to give Obama credit for being present and ignore what he hasn't done. The results today are terrible when matched against the dollars spent and the effort generated.

 

[Bobcat]

1. Where is your proof that the MSM is working for Obama.
2. I don't see how anyone would think Romney is a better choice than a gold fish, let alone Obama.
3. Obama's plan has nothing to do with rich v poor. He is calling for shared sacrifice. When the mega wealthy are paying less of a percent of their income than the rest of us, something is off balance. We have had a progressive tax system for longer than I have been alive. Why are Republicans against it now?
4. Obama can't force congress to raise the amount of money we spend on security of our embassies.
5. Obama hasn't damaged the economy. If you think so, show the proof.
6. We can not take over countries and run them based on our wishes. We should have never gone into Iraq.
7. I like Obamacare, and as time goes on people are starting to like it also. People who want good health care and don't want the insurance companies to control it.
8. The Jobs numbers are not showing massive lay offs.
9. I don't think Becky is right on anything. He isn't a economic expert. He is a shock jock.
10. So, you think Americans should work for the same amount that people in China and India are working? I think it's wrong to hand companies tax money and not stipulate that they create jobs in the US.

on item 1. Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist / UCLA Newsroom

 

[Conservative]

PResent me with some facts. This time, make sure you are presenting the full facts and not facts out of context.

LOL, everything I have presented are facts, you tell me how facts today are out of context?

are there 22.7 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today?

has 5.6 trillion dollars been added to the debt and haven't we had trillion dollar deficits every year of the Obama term?

has there been a budget approved by the Senate or an Obama budget passed in the last three years?

Has the GDP Growth declined from 2.4% to 1.8% to 1.3% over the last three years?

Is the median income down $4000 since Obama took office?

Are there 48 million Americans on food stamps?

Are there record numbers below the poverty level today?

Was it Obama policies that implemented the Status of Force Agreement to end the Iraq War?

Did Obama or the SEALS kill Bin Laden and did we have our embassies attacked and an Ambassador killed along with three other Americans in Libya on Sept. 11?

Please tell me how any of those FACTS are taken out of context?

 

[AdamT]

No, I mean our overall state of play. Our figures have typically been between the US and Europe in terms of structural unemployment, cause that's what you get when you have a more socialist-leaning system. But we weathered this recession exceptionally well, our unemployment rate is substantially below yours and much more in line with our typical (and well tolerated rate) and our federal deficits are being phased out over the next few years. Our currency has appreciated from 70 cents to above parity in just a few years, and our raw material export business is booming. Investment in oil and gas development continues a break-neck speed, wel have very low interest rates and minimal inflation.

We have done very, very well over the past decade, indeed, since the mid 90s. the early 90s recession hit us much harder, but we used that opportunity to put our house in order, balance budgets, and implement sensible, stabilizing policies. Hate to break it to you, but we are doing much better than you are, and it shows.

Incidentally, our house prices never dropped by anything material and are now well above pre-recession levels, so we also didn't take the wealth hit that you guys did (especially considering stock markets are up since pre-recession). that, with the high Canadian dollar, is causing more and more Canadians to look at real estate in Florida and Arizona. If it wern't for your estate taxes, I'm sure investment would be even higher.

But yeah, as for me, I'm doing just fine.

As for the rest, your "growth" has barely registered, and Obama's policies have prolonged the period of stagnation, lead to massive debt accumulation which will kill you once inflation picks up (which it invariably will since you are printing so much money), and impeded recovery.

And no, bothching the job means that he pulled things down, relative to the baseline. If your team would have scored 10 under par if you didn't screw things up but only scored a -6 because you did, it doesn't matter that you still finished below par. You still screwed up and the job was still botched.

So your contention is that your jobs situation is better because you have a more socialist system, but Obama did poorly on jobs because ... he went too far in the free market direction?

 

[AdamT]

LOL, everything I have presented are facts, you tell me how facts today are out of context?

are there 22.7 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today?

has 5.6 trillion dollars been added to the debt and haven't we had trillion dollar deficits every year of the Obama term?

has there been a budget approved by the Senate or an Obama budget passed in the last three years?

Has the GDP Growth declined from 2.4% to 1.8% to 1.3% over the last three years?

Is the median income down $4000 since Obama took office?

Are there 48 million Americans on food stamps?

Are there record numbers below the poverty level today?

Was it Obama policies that implemented the Status of Force Agreement to end the Iraq War?

Did Obama or the SEALS kill Bin Laden and did we have our embassies attacked and an Ambassador killed along with three other Americans in Libya on Sept. 11?

Please tell me how any of those FACTS are taken out of context?

What a typically clownish response. Did Obama fire employees or did employers fire employees? A: employers fired employees but it's Obama's fault.

Did SEAL team members kill bin Laden or did Obama kill bin Laden? A: SEAL team members killed bin Laden and only they get credit for it.

IOW, if anything goes wrong in the world it's Obama's fault, but if something good happens Obama had nothing to do with it. That about it?

 

[Bobcat]

1. Where is your proof that the MSM is working for Obama.
2. I don't see how anyone would think Romney is a better choice than a gold fish, let alone Obama.
3. Obama's plan has nothing to do with rich v poor. He is calling for shared sacrifice. When the mega wealthy are paying less of a percent of their income than the rest of us, something is off balance. We have had a progressive tax system for longer than I have been alive. Why are Republicans against it now?
4. Obama can't force congress to raise the amount of money we spend on security of our embassies.
5. Obama hasn't damaged the economy. If you think so, show the proof.
6. We can not take over countries and run them based on our wishes. We should have never gone into Iraq.
7. I like Obamacare, and as time goes on people are starting to like it also. People who want good health care and don't want the insurance companies to control it.
8. The Jobs numbers are not showing massive lay offs.
9. I don't think Becky is right on anything. He isn't a economic expert. He is a shock jock.
10. So, you think Americans should work for the same amount that people in China and India are working? I think it's wrong to hand companies tax money and not stipulate that they create jobs in the US.

2. no response required, opinions
3. "shared sacrifice" the top 5% is already paying 40% of the income tax bill, the bottom 47% is paying nothing, how is that sharing?
4. the funding for embassy security was there, obama/clinton did not authorize spending it
5. 6 trillion in new debt, 8+% unemployment, $5 gas
6. I agre on Iraq and Afghan----americans killed and maimed for nothing
7. obamacare will complete the bankruptsy of the USA
8. not yet, because obama has bribed companies to ignore the 60 day notice requirements
9. opinions again
10 No, but you asked why jobs are moving overseas. there is not tax incentive for moving jobs out of this country, the incentive is cheaper labor. Why is GM building cars in china and mexico? why is GE building light bulbs in china?

 

[a351]

we weathered this recession exceptionally well, our unemployment rate is substantially below yours and much more in line with our typical (and well tolerated rate)

As for the rest, your "growth" has barely registered, and Obama's policies have prolonged the period of stagnation, lead to massive debt accumulation which will kill you once inflation picks up (which it invariably will since you are printing so much money), and impeded recovery.

And no, bothching the job means that he pulled things down, relative to the baseline.

If your team would have scored 10 under par if you didn't screw things up but only scored a -6 because you did, it doesn't matter that you still finished below par. You still screwed up and the job was still botched.

1-3 I'm afraid, Canada's recovery in terms of employment has actually been slower than the US, in regards to recovery from peak employment, .4 percentage points doesn't qualify as substantial in most circles, especially since your peak figure was a full percentage point higher. Canada's employment figures are more in line with normalcy, mainly because the historical average is around 8.5 percent, although it was a figure that was rapidly trending down before the recession hit, as emerging economies usually behave.

Such as? Seriously, let's not make this a guessing game, break it down in nuts and bolts figures. You've still yet to bring forth a single policy that one could credit for impeding growth. Instead, you've forced me to wade through a whole bunch of useless jargon regarding Canada, and it's seemingly illustrious position in the global economy.

And what baseline could you possibly be referring to? Surely not the starting point of his presidency?

Let's ease up on the cornball sports analogies and cut to the chase, what botchery do you speak of? What policies or inaction would you lay the blame upon?