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Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’

upsideguy said:
...and it would be a sin to do so. We are commanded to forgive those that sin against us just as God forgives our sin.

(Not saying that its understandable that we would have 'hate'.... that would be one of our life challenges to get past that hate and forgive the sinner, just as the Lord forgives our sin)
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I can respect that you want to forgive those who have sinned against you, but I can't do it. If someone murders someone very dear to me, I am going to hate him. I am not going to look at him and say, "sure you killed my mother, but I dont hate you. I only hate the murder that you had committed against my mother". And I am sure a lot of non-Christians feel the same way too.
 
Wan said:
I can respect that you want to forgive those who have sinned against you, but I can't do it. If someone murders someone very dear to me, I am going to hate him. I am not going to look at him and say, "sure you killed my mother, but I dont hate you. I only hate the murder that you had committed against my mother". And I am sure a lot of non-Christians feel the same way too.
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I'm not trying to argue against human nature: certainly "hate" is a normal reaction to people that wrong us.

I am only trying to make the point that from the Christian perspective, its a sin. God, from a Christian perspective, designed life to give us many parallel experiences so that we could better understand him. As an example, the parent/child relationship, so that we could know unconditional love.... and the idea that people might do hateful things to us, so that we could better understand the immenseness of his forgiveness. As a Christian, you at some point wrestle with the notion that if God can forgive us, then surely we can forgive others. We are commanded to do that as an exercise in learning love and mercy.


That said, most Christians have a hard time really wrapping their head around this one as its so counter-intuitive, as are many things about God and his wants for us.
 
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American said:
How do you know?
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Well, look at the quote.

31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
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Do people go out and try to teach other people about God (or their version) still?
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, look at the quote.



Do people go out and try to teach other people about God (or their version) still?
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That is exactly what JW's do and we are very successful at it, too...
 
Elvira said:
That is exactly what JW's do and we are very successful at it, too...
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Well, you do go out, but that is exactly why there is no new covenant
 
Tigerace117 said:
Lol what a joke. The raving and ranting you have done about people who aren't like you throughout this thread is a very clear display of hatred.
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Hilarious.
Pointing out what was handed down to Moses by G_d is neither raving ranting or hatred. It is actually pointing out factual information within the realm of the belief.
The only raving and ranting and hatred between us has been by you against me.


Tigerace117 said:
God has made it very clear people like you aren't going to do well in the afterlife.
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:lamo You know not of what you speak. Nor do you speak for G_d.


Tigerace117 said:
Maybe you should concentrate on yourself instead of spending your time whining about other people.
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:lamo You should follow your own advice as what you said only applies to you.


Tigerace117 said:
You mean I'm not following your prescribed pattern of arrogance and bigotry in the face of God's plan? Sorry bud, I'm going to have to pass on that crap.
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You are projecting again.
It is your arrogance in claiming what you think I will be doing in your so-called afterlife.
It is your arrogance claiming I am engaged in bigotry for pointing out factual information from within the belief of what G_d handed down to Moses.
It is your arrogance claiming to know G_d's plan.
And all of that is your bigotry against those who do not believe what you do, and you spew it vehemently as hatred.




You have absolutely nothing to dispute G_d's word that he handed down to Moses.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
1 Gengis Khan was liberal compared to you.
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You know what the best part of this is? Genghis Khan was genuinely a pretty liberal guy as far as brutal conquerors go. He instituted laws that gave women the right to divorce their husbands, protected religious minorities, and even established 4 khanates ruled by elected officials who answered directly to the Great Khan.

On a more politically neutral point, Genghis Khan also instituted the world's first international postal service. Technically. It was between the 4 khanates, so it was arguably closer to an interstate postal service.
 
Elvira said:
With that rule of thumb, God loves pedophiles and serial killers, too...:roll:
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Pedophilia is developed in adolescence and reinforced as the individual matures sexually. No one is born sexually attracted to children. As a gay man I have had to learn to be quiet when one invokes an ancient text as grounds for there intolerance of others. I am not a Christian but believe in Christ message of tolerance and love, to be kind and charitable. No he is not the son of God, but he was the first true progressive. And as a progressive myself, we always get nailed to the cross by self-righteous hypocrites, many of whom claim to Christian, Muslim, or whatever.
 
maquiscat said:
This man follows Christ's example better than most Christians I know

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I fail to see how relaying dubious information is following Christ's example. At best, it's a mistake, at worst, a lie.

Though typically statements, whether about Christ, Buddha, Confucius, or other sages are typically made by less literate members of society who have likely never bothered to read either gospels, Sutras, or Analects to being with before chiming in.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
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The more I hear about the Pope, the better I like him, and I'm not even Catholic.
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It's unfortunate that he would make a blanket statement which has no factual basis behind it, if he's a Pope he should be above "white lying" merely for PR purposes or whatnot.

If by "God made you like this", he was insinuating that homosexuality is genetic, then given that this is rather scientifically dubious, this would seem to be incorrect.
 
Vision said:
It's unfortunate that he would make a blanket statement which has no factual basis behind it, if he's a Pope he should be above "white lying" merely for PR purposes or whatnot.

If by "God made you like this", he was insinuating that homosexuality is genetic, then given that this is rather scientifically dubious, this would seem to be incorrect.
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Believe it or not the Catholic Church particularly the Vatican is a political body. They don't want to lose ground in the first world that's where money is.

People don't share their backward views as much as they once did in the first world. So they have to adapt. Religions that stagnate become relics
 
CLAX1911 said:
Believe it or not the Catholic Church particularly the Vatican is a political body. They don't want to lose ground in the first world that's where money is.

People don't share their backward views as much as they once did in the first world. So they have to adapt. Religions that stagnate become relics
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I believe I pointed out that, rather, the opposite is the true:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-...-marriage-trans-rights-times-study-finds.html

According to the Times study, it is rather the minority of aging Boomers and dysfunctional millennial who will have to adapt to the real world, and accept that Gen Z is anti-gay, with "LGBT rights" being a dying relic which won't have any validity in the post-modern world they've inherited.

So no, it seems that unless the LGBT cult stops its stagnation, and renounces its own deviancy, it is it which will die off, both culturally, and evolutionarily as well, given its limited reproductive ability.

Whether or not it would be worth society's trouble to re-ban sodomite "marriage" or not, I'm unsure, but it wouldn't be difficult at all for society to effectively make publicly identifying as "LGBT" as unacceptable as publicly acceptable as identifying with ISIS - which if fortune may have it, they'll get at it posthaste
 
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Vision said:
I believe I pointed out that, rather, the opposite is the true:
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among teenagers who are commonly idealistic.

According to the Times study, it is rather the minority of aging Boomers and dysfunctional millennial who will have to adapt to the real world, and accept that Gen Z is anti-gay, with "LGBT rights" being a dying relic which won't have any validity in the post-modern world they've inherited.
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yes young idealistic children tend to grow out of such idealism.

So no, it seems that unless the LGBT cult stops its stagnation, and renounces its own deviancy, it is it which will die off, both culturally, and evolutionarily as well, given its limited reproductive ability.
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I agree that the LGBT needs to abandon the hedonism and debauchery that seems to surround it I don't know if that's going to happen. But I seriously doubt Generation Z will not grow a little bit as it ages.

Whether or not it would be worth society's trouble to re-ban sodomite "marriage" or not, I'm unsure, but it wouldn't be difficult at all for society to effectively make publicly identifying as "LGBT" as unacceptable as publicly acceptable as identifying with ISIS - which if fortune may have it, they'll get at it posthaste
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Most people don't care about sodomy. Seeing as most people are sodomites.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I agree that the LGBT needs to abandon the hedonism and debauchery that seems to surround it I don't know if that's going to happen. But I seriously doubt Generation Z will not grow a little bit as it ages.
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From what I can tell, Gen Z is less "hedonism" obsessed as a whole, but I can't say for sure - regardless, they go beyond mere hedonism and want to involve children in their perversity, which is what I find the most sickening.
 
Vision said:
From what I can tell, Gen Z is less "hedonism" obsessed as a whole, but I can't say for sure - regardless, they go beyond mere hedonism and want to involve children in their perversity, which is what I find the most sickening.
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Do you mean homosexuals having children?
 
Vision said:
It's unfortunate that he would make a blanket statement which has no factual basis behind it, if he's a Pope he should be above "white lying" merely for PR purposes or whatnot.

If by "God made you like this", he was insinuating that homosexuality is genetic, then given that this is rather scientifically dubious, this would seem to be incorrect.
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Not entirely genetic in the sense that there is no "gay gene." Homosexuality is developed in the womb. That science doesn't fully understand the process doesn't mean that god didn't make this man what he was.
 
Logicman said:
Where's your scientific proof for these individuals from antiquity:

1. Hippocrates
2. Attila the Hun
3. Archimedes of Syracuse
4. Confucius
5. Hannibal





Yeah? Give me your best ONE example of a specific issue where you were right and I was wrong? And link to the post so you don't revise what was presented.
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Every single time matey!
 
Logicman said:
And the spiritually-challenged are very good at doing just that. Those who actually do in-depth studies of Bible issues are far less inclined.



Once again, you haven't done your homework.

“Judge not, and you will not be judged.” (Matthew 7:1)

"Jesus is not saying that we cannot make judgments about people’s actions, he is saying that we should not be hypocrites if we do. In Matthew 7:5 he says, “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brothers eye.”

The Bible - Is it Wrong to Make Judgments?

https://righterreport.com/2007/08/19/the-bible-is-it-wrong-to-judge/

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Now if you would, please update your theology.
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I don't need to. The bible was written by men. A description of vaguely accurate historical events with their spin put on it to enforce social control. Mary Magdeleine - suited them to say she was a prostitute, now it's thought she was actually an apostle, and the favourite of Jesus to boot. Perceptions change. I would point to the works of historians like Lynn Pucknett. There are various explanations for the bible, but it being the word of some creator is not one of them.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
I don't need to. The bible was written by men. A description of vaguely accurate historical events with their spin put on it to enforce social control. Mary Magdeleine - suited them to say she was a prostitute, now it's thought she was actually an apostle, and the favourite of Jesus to boot. Perceptions change. I would point to the works of historians like Lynn Pucknett. There are various explanations for the bible, but it being the word of some creator is not one of them.
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Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute... there is no scriptural evidence to support such an affirmation...:roll:
 
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