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Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’

Really? So David did not suffer the consequences of his actions? Or Moses? I know I have so perhaps you should rethink your comment...

Sure, but those two were in the Old Testament, and were punished for their moral failings in the manner of the old covenant. Jesus Christ atoned for all of humanity's sins on the cross, did he not?
 
Like it or not the church is a political body all of them are. That is what religion is. And the Catholic Church spends a lot of money now they have claim on the third world and they always will so long as they're able to provide hospitals and treatments for illnesses the only reason they are able to is because Americans and westerners give the money. If they want to continue obtaining money they can't really go against the political views of the countries they get it from. So as more and more people accept same-sex marriage and same-sex couples in the western world the closer to affirming it the Catholic Church will get.

And now we finally arrive at the crux of the matter. The Catholic Church is ultimately a political organization, which once crowned emperors, dictated whose rule was acceptable and whose wasn't, regulated all higher education in the West, and even waged war against the nations of Europe. They're just adjusting their behavior according to the current society's Overton window, like they always have.
 
And now we finally arrive at the crux of the matter. The Catholic Church is ultimately a political organization, which once crowned emperors, dictated whose rule was acceptable and whose wasn't, regulated all higher education in the West, and even waged war against the nations of Europe. They're just adjusting their behavior according to the current society's Overton window, like they always have.

I think it's still about the money. They want a foothold in the US and Europe still because it's where the money is.
 
I think it's still about the money. They want a foothold in the US and Europe still because it's where the money is.

As an extension of their political function, of course. One doesn't dominate a continent's politics for a millennium out of the purity of their heart, after all.
 
This man follows Christ's example better than most Christians I know

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SIAP. What was Christ's example? To include everyone in religion? Explain Christ's flogging of the Jewish priests in the temple, then, in John 2:15. Or the fact that it was Paul, formerly Saul of Tarsus, who allowed gentiles to be Christians and not Jesus who demanded every Christian follow Jewish traditions? If it were up to Jesus, every Christian would have to, for example, abstain from eating pork.
 
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What the pope is professing is clearly not in his religion. Who is the pope getting his inspiration from? You got me.

IMO, this pope has turned into an attempted salesman.
 
What the pope is professing is clearly not in his religion. Who is the pope getting his inspiration from? You got me.

IMO, this pope has turned into an attempted salesman.

You mean to say that Catholics don't believe that god loves us unconditionally?
 
Sure, but those two were in the Old Testament, and were punished for their moral failings in the manner of the old covenant. Jesus Christ atoned for all of humanity's sins on the cross, did he not?

He absolutely did and even though we are forgiven if we repent, that still does not mean we are exempt from the consequences of our actions in this world...

"Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap" Gal. 6:7
 
Sure, but those two were in the Old Testament, and were punished for their moral failings in the manner of the old covenant. Jesus Christ atoned for all of humanity's sins on the cross, did he not?

Nope.
 
I don't know what that Pope was drinking, but he's as far out in left field as someone in his position could possibly be. He's also apparently Biblically ignorant.

Let's review what God and the Bible actually say about homosexual sin:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

And for those who would argue that Jesus never spoke out about gay sex, there's the following:

Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

There's no approval of gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

Finally, the Pope should be warning actively gay men and women to repent and turn from their sin, or perish (Luke 13:3).

Wow. Religion of peace and love eh?
 
Maybe "God" made gay people to make it easier to segregate all the bigots and hateful people, from all the loving and caring people.

Would be great fun to find all the gay folks in heaven having a huge party while all the "christians" who tried to shame, malign, condemn, and reject their fellow humans ended up shoveling coal into the fires of hell.

Maybe it's NOT all about about what gay people do, and FAR more about how the non-gay people react and behave because of them.
 
So many misconceptions about the Christian faith, so little time...SMH...
 
You mean to say that Catholics don't believe that god loves us unconditionally?

The catholic God loves us unconditionally but the catholic God didn't make non-heterosexuals and likes them as non-heterosexuals as the title of the thread points out.

The catholic God has many restrictions to salvation, to paradise. The pope has, supposedly, removed one restriction. By whose authority? Clearly, this isn't in the Bible.
 
Maybe "God" made gay people to make it easier to segregate all the bigots and hateful people, from all the loving and caring people.

Would be great fun to find all the gay folks in heaven having a huge party while all the "christians" who tried to shame, malign, condemn, and reject their fellow humans ended up shoveling coal into the fires of hell.

Maybe it's NOT all about about what gay people do, and FAR more about how the non-gay people react and behave because of them.

Seems there be a lot of shaming and bigotry from the crowd demanding everyone accept the non-hetro community.
 
The catholic God loves us unconditionally but the catholic God didn't make non-heterosexuals and likes them as non-heterosexuals as the title of the thread points out.

The catholic God has many restrictions to salvation, to paradise. The pope has, supposedly, removed one restriction. By whose authority? Clearly, this isn't in the Bible.

God only made heterosexuals?

Where did the gays come from then?
 
Christianity-bashing is trendy, and Catholic-bashing never goes out of style, so I thought I'd Google about this. Only two days ago, according to Reuters, the Pope told Italian bishops not to accept to the seminaries those who are homosexual, so it doesn't seem to me that he is renouncing the Bible: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...o-accept-gay-seminarians-report-idUSKCN1IP36J

Strip away all the sectarian crap, and the message of Jesus is to love God and to love one another. I do believe that, however disappointed He may be in our failures, God does love ALL His children. Isn't this what the Pope allegedly told the man?
 
Would be great fun to find all the gay folks in heaven having a huge party while all the "christians" who tried to shame, malign, condemn, and reject their fellow humans ended up shoveling coal into the fires of hell.

You have a sad, vengeful idea of "fun."
 
Christianity-bashing is trendy, and Catholic-bashing never goes out of style, so I thought I'd Google about this. Only two days ago, according to Reuters, the Pope told Italian bishops not to accept to the seminaries those who are homosexual, so it doesn't seem to me that he is renouncing the Bible: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...o-accept-gay-seminarians-report-idUSKCN1IP36J

Strip away all the sectarian crap, and the message of Jesus is to love God and to love one another. I do believe that, however disappointed He may be in our failures, God does love ALL His children. Isn't this what the Pope allegedly told the man?

I think Jesus made it obvious that we are not all God's children but it depends solely on who we serve...John 8:44...
 
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