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Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’

RAMOSS said:
Well, you believe so, I am sure. however, neither of you follow the behavior that you claim others should follow.. in fact, your behavior directly contracits your quote from mathew you tried to hammer me with. That amusing me to no end that you can't even see it.
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What's amusing is someone who denies Christ would even attempt to tell a follower of Christ how to live...in fact it is downright hilarious...lol..
 
Grand Mal said:
What's sad is you making the distinction. God gave you those laws, and you've decided the inconvenient ones can be ignored.
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Nope, that's you spin.

And if you think for a second anyone, or any Christian, must be perfect in order to speak out, you're even more deluded than it appears.
 
Elvira said:
You mean that imaginary guy in the sky you're always talking about? lol...
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Please show where I ever said that god was 'an imaginary guy in the sky'.
 
Excon said:
This is your made up bs.
It is projection and deflection and just a sign that you have no valid argument.


:lamo
Hilarious.
1. The so-called new testament has no validity to those of the Jewish faith, does it?
2. And frankly the excuses christian use for not following the law don't cut it.


Holy ****! Talk about projection.
The Law was given to Moses by G_d, it is apparently you who does not want to follow G_d's word.


By not following G_d's law, that is what you are doing.


The proscription is against murder. Not legal killing. So you are wrong as usual.
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Oh, so you do think Jesus’ denunciations of the Pharisees and Sadducess was “made up bs”? Sorry bud, your claim is pathetically easy to debunk.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/scribes-and-Pharisees.html

Your arrogance in denying God’s word is truly astounding.

Oh really? You don’t think Christians have the “proper excuses” for not following multi thousand year old, contradictory “laws”? Poor poor you.

Yes, your denial of God’s word is a pretty classic case of you not wanting to follow God’s law.

By spewing stupidity in defense of your own petty hatred, you are merely exposing yourself as the person God already knows you are—-and that isn’t going to end well for you.

Oh really? So you think it’s “legal” to kill homosexuals? Sorry bud, God doesn’t agree. As usual, you are perverting his word to justify your own hatreds.
 
Logicman said:
Nope, that's you spin.

And if you think for a second anyone, or any Christian, must be perfect in order to speak out, you're even more deluded than it appears.
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There's no spin involved. You pick parts out of Leviticus and say people are doomed to eternal damnation and ignore other parts that might inconvenience you with the excuse that they're, what, 'ceremonial laws'?
Hypocrites, didnt your saviour have a few things to say about them?
 
Grand Mal said:
There's no spin involved. You pick parts out of Leviticus and say people are doomed to eternal damnation and ignore other parts that might inconvenience you with the excuse that they're, what, 'ceremonial laws'?
Hypocrites, didnt your saviour have a few things to say about them?
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You're full of folly.

First of all, I've never said anyone is doomed to eternal damnation. I say unless they repent and receive Christ as their Lord and Savior for the remission of their sins, they will be lost. That's on them.

As for hypocrisy, according to the Bible, until you get the Holy Spirit you will not understand the depth of your sins. That has to do with everyone, myself included.

Isaiah once said, ""Woe to me!" I cried. "I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty." - Isaiah 6:5

But that didn't let him shy away from warning people and nations to turn from their sins.

What's really behind your condemnations is the old trick from the devil: "Be quiet and don't tweak our consciences, lest we be convicted of our sins."
 
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Logicman said:
It wasn't God who told you that, it was the devil.
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Nope. It was God. On the other hand, you seem to be related to FLip Wilson.
 
Logicman said:
You don't believe in God so you're being disingenuous.
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Well, I don't believe in Jesus as God. I am not 100% sure that Jesus the man existed either. I am confident the Christian concept of Salvation is false.
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, I don't believe in Jesus as God. I am not 100% sure that Jesus the man existed either. I am confident the Christian concept of Salvation is false.
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Nice dodge...lol...
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, I don't believe in Jesus as God. I am not 100% sure that Jesus the man existed either. I am confident the Christian concept of Salvation is false.
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You don't have any credibility with your jack-legged nonsense.

In fact, I believe the devil would be real proud of your postings.
 
Logicman said:
You don't have any credibility with your jack-legged nonsense.

In fact, I believe the devil would be real proud of your postings.
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Proverbs 15:1
 
Dittohead not! said:
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The more I hear about the Pope, the better I like him, and I'm not even Catholic.
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Well, here is my question: Is the Pope doing this because he sees that LGBT rights advocacy is so advanced Western countries, or is it because he has a greater theological understanding of the nature of God than the preceding Vicars of Christ on Earth? What I am asking is, if Gay Rights were not as advanced as it is now, and the mainstream opinions on gay rights were currently as it was, say, 50 years ago, would he have said "God made you like this and loves you like this"?

In other words is the Pope's stance based on a greater grasp and understanding of the nature of God, or is it based on what is considered socially acceptable in the time and place that he finds himself in? Am I to believe the God of Abraham simply change his mind sometime recently within the past 3,000 years? Whereas homosexuality was apparently a foul abomination against which he enjoined those who were true to his word to punish, it is now simply a preference and expression of love? Well, I am glad God came around is now apparently so understanding. But it would have been nice if he had clarified that a few thousand years and few hundreds of thousands of ostracized, abused and murdered gays earlier. :roll:
 
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Felis Leo said:
Well, here is my question: Is the Pope doing this because he sees that LGBT rights advocacy is so advanced Western countries, or is it because he has a greater theological understanding of the nature of God than the preceding Vicars of Christ on Earth? What I am asking is, if Gay Rights were not as advanced as it is now, and the mainstream opinions on gay rights were currently as it was, say, 50 years ago, would he have said "God made you like this and loves you like this"?

In other words is the Pope's stance based on a greater understanding of the nature of God, or is it based on what is considered socially acceptable in the time and place that he finds himself in? Am I to believe the God of Abraham simply change his mind sometime recently within the past 3,000 years? Where homosexuality was apparently a foul abomination against which he enjoined those who were true to his word to punish, now it is simply a preference and expression of love? Well, I am glad God came around is now apparently so understanding. :roll:
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The beautiful thing about religion is it's completely subjective and arbitrary. This is why Christianity is now split into thousands of different denominations all with completely different interpretations for everything. If you want your god to hate gays, you can have that. It's your own personal desires and opinions super-imposed onto a higher deity to make yourself feel like you've got an all powerful creator on your side. Most Christians have moved past the point of trying to use the government to encroach on the rights of homosexuals. The Pope's god had a snack and stopped being so angry, what will yours do?

Logicman said:
Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
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So then you personally follow all old testament laws, especially the ones laid out in Leviticus, right?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
The beautiful thing about religion is it's completely subjective and arbitrary. This is why Christianity is now split into thousands of different denominations all with completely different interpretations for everything. If you want your god to hate gays, you can have that. It's your own personal desires and opinions super-imposed onto a higher deity to make yourself feel like you've got an all powerful creator on your side. Most Christians have moved past the point of trying to use the government to encroach on the rights of homosexuals. The Pope's god had a snack and stopped being so angry, what will yours do?
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You quoted me before the last edit and appear to be barking up the wrong tree, I'm afraid. I am well aware that people often use God as the reverse-engineered moral rubber stamp to justify their own pre-existing moral precepts. I find it all so much nonsense when an institution which has upwards over one and a half millenium ruined so many, many lives, broken families apart, set brother against brother on the basis that it is what the supreme creator and moral arbiter of universe wanted of his creations wanted.

And then the Pope basically waves his hand and says "Naw, man. Turns out, God was just pulling one over on you. You know, all that self-loathing, fear and doubt that was instilled in you from the time you were a little boy and drilled into your parents heads from the time they were children by the Church and their own parents, and their parents parents stretching all the way back to Constantine? Well, God was having a laugh. Turns out he never had a problem with gays in the first place. Everybody just took all the "God: I hate gay people and want them burned" parts of the Bible just a mite too literally when it was clear by our current enlightened interpretation he was simply joking. You know, like Gods do." :lol:

Well good for him for doing that, and basically admitting that his idea of God is whatever is politically palatable and socially acceptable at any given moment. Perhaps if opinions were to change and there is a sudden upswing in anti-Gay sentiment across the world and LGBT rights are rolled back, the Pope or his successor will stand as the bulwark against the tide aimed at harming the gay community on the basis of his more enlightened and nuanced understanding of Christian theology. Or perhaps they will go back to seeing expressions of homosexual love as a grievous sin once more and go back to condemning it. I do not know. I am no life-long theologian and certainly not a professional prognosticator. But I typically know pandering when I see it.

I will say this: I would have been far more impressed if this was the present Pope's stance twenty, thirty, or forty years ago before taking the throne (if he was in Holy office at the time) when the LGBT community was on the ropes.
 
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Felis Leo said:
You quoted me before the last edit and appear to be barking up the wrong tree, I'm afraid. I am well aware that people often use God as the reverse-engineered moral rubber stamp to justify their own pre-existing moral precepts. I find it all so much nonsense when an institution which has upwards over one and a half millenium ruined so many, many lives, broken families apart, set brother against brother on the basis that it is what the supreme creator and moral arbiter of universe wanted of his creations wanted. And then the Pope basically waves his hand and says "Naw, man. Turns out, God was just pulling one over on you. You know, all that self-loathing, fear and doubt that was instilled in you from the time you were a little boy and drilled into your parents heads from the time they were children by the Church and their own parents, and their parents parents stretching all the way back to Constantine? Well, God was having a laugh. Turns out he never had a problem with gays in the first place. Everybody just took all the "God: I hate gay people and want them burned" parts of the Bible just a mite to literally when it was clear by our current enlightened interpretation he was simply joking. You know, like Gods do." :lol:
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Well my message is the same. Religion is entirely arbitrary and subjective. God just "magically changed his mind" because the believer that created him in his head changed his mind, ie: the Pope. For other Christians the god in their mind is still as homophobic and racist as ever. I can't stand the Catholic church either, but I think they realize they're dying out and need to pivot to stay relevant. I say give credit where credit is due. 2,000 years of rigorous persecution turned on its head on a whim, thanks Francis.
 
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