Polls show highest level of support in decades for legal protections for abortion

[Sheepdog]

Facts are better than imagination.

Like...it's stupid to imagine that abortion is murder. Do you see any women being arrested for having abortions? Have you noticed that every one of the newly proposed abortion laws has been blocked by the courts?

It's also stupid to avoid facing the reality that abortion can be a responsible choice:

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and may abuse or neglect.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid if you know you wont stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc that will damage the unborn.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant/having a child and not being able to fulfill your other commitments and obligations to family, dependents, employer, church, community, society.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.​

Then use condoms or birth control. Ive had sex thousands of times with dozens of different women and I have no kids. Why? Condoms.

Abortion is legalized murder so SLUTS can be irresponsible SLUTS.

 

[Sheepdog]

Planned Parenthood was upset today that there was absolutely no mention of the abortion issue during either of the 2 days of Democrat debates. Trump mentioned it though at his Cincinnati Rally.

One side is hiding the other not.

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Id hide too if a major part of my agenda was murdering babies. The left is so psychopathic that they cheer for abortions. When Ireland (iirc) legalized baby murder hundreds of women cheered in the streets...that is just depressing.

 

[year2late]

Then use condoms or birth control. Ive had sex thousands of times with dozens of different women and I have no kids. Why? Condoms.

Abortion is legalized murder so SLUTS can be irresponsible SLUTS.

Interesting you see your hand as dozens of different women.

 

[Lursa]

Then use condoms or birth control. Ive had sex thousands of times with dozens of different women and I have no kids. Why? Condoms.

Abortion is legalized murder so SLUTS can be irresponsible SLUTS.

It looks rather silly when you believe that your personal experience playing the odds works when multiplied by the millions :lamo

How about looking at reality:

Actually, 68 percent of women of childbearing years in the US use artificial birth control consistently.
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Another 22 percent:
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-- Cannot become become pregnant due to a medical condition or procedure. (infertile or have been diagnosed as such)
-- Or are currently pregnant and thus are not currently using birth control
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That leaves 10 percent who do not use artificial birth control for whatever reason (some may be using the so called rhythm method. Or similar natural methods)

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And now for the math:
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--80-90% of American couples use birth control/have sex responsibly
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--non-surgical birth control is only ~98% effective
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--millions of Americans have sex millions and millions of times every day
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--this means that there will still be 10s of thousands of accidental pregnancies every day.​

And it doesnt show much ability to hold an argument when you were confronted with the facts that abortion could be a responsible decision...and then to write that women who chose it are still irresponsible. :roll: I hope that you will attempt to comprehend the information above before further comments.

Oh, and the name-calling also showed not only the weakness of your argument, but reflects that you have little to no respect for women either. Or feel free to explain why women who choose to enjoy consensual sex are sluts and men 'arent?'

 

[Sheepdog]

It looks rather silly when you believe that your personal experience playing the odds works when multiplied by the millions :lamo

How about looking at reality:

Actually, 68 percent of women of childbearing years in the US use artificial birth control consistently.
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Another 22 percent:
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-- Cannot become become pregnant due to a medical condition or procedure. (infertile or have been diagnosed as such)
-- Or are currently pregnant and thus are not currently using birth control
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That leaves 10 percent who do not use artificial birth control for whatever reason (some may be using the so called rhythm method. Or similar natural methods)

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And now for the math:
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--80-90% of American couples use birth control/have sex responsibly
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--non-surgical birth control is only ~98% effective
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--millions of Americans have sex millions and millions of times every day
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--this means that there will still be 10s of thousands of accidental pregnancies every day.​

And it doesnt show much ability to hold an argument when you were confronted with the facts that abortion could be a responsible decision...and then to write that women who chose it are still irresponsible. :roll: I hope that you will attempt to comprehend the information above before further comments.

Oh, and the name-calling also showed not only the weakness of your argument, but reflects that you have little to no respect for women either. Or feel free to explain why women who choose to enjoy consensual sex are sluts and men 'arent?'

Its not an accident when you dont use a condom or trust a woman when she says she takes birth control. That is NEGLIGENCE not an accident.

 

[Lursa]

Its not an accident when you dont use a condom or trust a woman when she says she takes birth control. That is NEGLIGENCE not an accident.

I just showed you that for most couples, it's not negligence, it's the fact that no bc is 100% and there's ALWAYS a risk.

Did you have a problem understanding my post? Issues with doing basic math? Are you ignorant of the fact that you using just a condom still means you have a ~5% chance of impregnating a woman and if you continue to use just that method, eventually the odds would catch up with you and there you'd be...one of the 'scum' you seem to be considering everyone else.

gee...maybe I just saved you from 18 years of child support....

 

[year2late]

I just showed you that for most couples, it's not negligence, it's the fact that no bc is 100% and there's ALWAYS a risk.

Did you have a problem understanding my post? Issues with doing basic math? Are you ignorant of the fact that you using just a condom still means you have a ~5% chance of impregnating a woman and if you continue to use just that method, eventually the odds would catch up with you and there you'd be...one of the 'scum' you seem to be considering everyone else.

gee...maybe I just saved you from 18 years of child support....

Or perhaps the odds caught up to him multiple times and they never told him about the abortion. I mean a gem of a person referring to his partners as "sluts"? They probably ran for the hills....or Planned Parenthood.

But my guess is that "his dozens" of partners are digitally enhanced. So to speak.

 

[Sheepdog]

I just showed you that for most couples, it's not negligence, it's the fact that no bc is 100% and there's ALWAYS a risk.

Did you have a problem understanding my post? Issues with doing basic math? Are you ignorant of the fact that you using just a condom still means you have a ~5% chance of impregnating a woman and if you continue to use just that method, eventually the odds would catch up with you and there you'd be...one of the 'scum' you seem to be considering everyone else.

gee...maybe I just saved you from 18 years of child support....

No its definitely negligence. If you are too poor and irresponsible to have a kid, or even too poor and irresponsible to use a condom, then maybe you shouldnt be having sex in the first place.

 

[Lursa]

No its definitely negligence. If you are too poor and irresponsible to have a kid, or even too poor and irresponsible to use a condom, then maybe you shouldnt be having sex in the first place.

I guess you believe in unicorns then? Because just saying 'na huh' when you've seen the facts that it's not negligence in the great majority of cases, is about the same.

And here's the first part of that 'in color series' that I left off. I guess I gave you more credit and thought you didnt need it. This is the part of that post that I left off:

Not sure how out of touch with the human race you have to be to believe that people will start choosing to have less sex...one of the most enjoyable, satisfying, and bonding activities on the planet.*
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*All thru history...and prehistory...people have had sex when it meant a high risk of death, disease, and social consequences for both men and women. STDs, death during childbirth, being disowned, publicly flogged or otherwise punished, exiled, no chance at decent jobs, etc etc etc...alot of those affected men too.
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People are never going to stop enjoying sex and today, with safer, legal options to choose for accidental pregnancies, it's ludicrous to believe they will.
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Do you believe that people are going to have less sex? :roll: Esp. when the odds are pretty good that using bc is going to protect them AND women have the safer, legal option of abortion?

 

[year2late]

No its definitely negligence. If you are too poor and irresponsible to have a kid, or even too poor and irresponsible to use a condom, then maybe you shouldnt be having sex in the first place.

If you really have had sex with dozens of women thousands of times relying on condoms....my guess is that there have been multiple pregnancies. When they caught on to their lover being such a gem - thinking of them as "sluts"....they probably could not wait to run to Planned Parenthood.

DId you know that on top of not being able to support themselves while pregnant or lacking social and medical resources....one of the reasons that a woman chooses abortion is because she fears being connected to a man that has major issues with the treatment of women. Referring to women as "sluts" may be a heads of future treatment to come....

 

[Sheepdog]

If you really have had sex with dozens of women thousands of times relying on condoms....my guess is that there have been multiple pregnancies. When they caught on to their lover being such a gem - thinking of them as "sluts"....they probably could not wait to run to Planned Parenthood.

DId you know that on top of not being able to support themselves while pregnant or lacking social and medical resources....one of the reasons that a woman chooses abortion is because she fears being connected to a man that has major issues with the treatment of women. Referring to women as "sluts" may be a heads of future treatment to come....

Condoms are 99.9% effective theres no way I could have caused multiple pregnancies lol. Pregnancies are caused by unprotected sex, period.

Maybe women should choose their sex partners a little better (I always say never trust a woman) if the thought of getting pregnant by that sex partner leads them to thoughts of murdering a baby. Women cannot be trusted which is why we will hopefully never have a female president.

 

[Sheepdog]

Do you believe that people are going to have less sex? :roll: Esp. when the odds are pretty good that using bc is going to protect them AND women have the safer, legal option of abortion?

Abortion isnt safe if youre the one getting murdered. That is like saying its safe to go into an active warzone without a gun.

 

[year2late]

Condoms are 99.9% effective theres no way I could have caused multiple pregnancies lol. Pregnancies are caused by unprotected sex, period.

Maybe women should choose their sex partners a little better (I always say never trust a woman) if the thought of getting pregnant by that sex partner leads them to thoughts of murdering a baby. Women cannot be trusted which is why we will hopefully never have a female president.

Actually, they are not as effective as that.

Why would a woman who has such high standards choose a man that has had dozens of partners and considers them sluts?

My guess is that you are barely twenty, living in your parent's basement with a good internet connection and plenty of lotion and Kleenex.

That is the vibe you give out.

But just so you know....condoms are really only about 85 percent effective. Theoretical effectiveness has nothing to do with reality,

 

[Lursa]

Condoms are 99.9% effective theres no way I could have caused multiple pregnancies lol. Pregnancies are caused by unprotected sex, period.

LMAO, I guess you've been having sex pretty irresponsibly then, since you dont even know the actual risks for pregnancy for your chosen bc. You've just been "lucky".

Male condom—Worn by the man, a male condom keeps sperm from getting into a woman’s body. Latex condoms, the most common type, help prevent pregnancy, and HIV and other STDs, as do the newer synthetic condoms. “Natural” or “lambskin” condoms also help prevent pregnancy, but may not provide protection against STDs, including HIV. Typical use failure rate: 13%.1*Condoms can only be used once. You can buy condoms, KY jelly, or water-based lubricants at a drug store. Do not use oil-based lubricants such as massage oils, baby oil, lotions, or petroleum jelly with latex condoms. They will weaken the condom, causing it to tear or break.

Contraception | Reproductive Health | CDC

How effective are condoms against pregnancy?
If you use condoms perfectly every single time you have sex, they’re 98% effective at preventing pregnancy. But people aren’t perfect, so in real life condoms are about 85% effective — that means about 15*out of 100 people who use condoms as their only birth control method will get pregnant each year.

What Is the Effectiveness of Condoms?


These effectiveness rates are based on using a birth control method for one year. They don’t take into account how often during that year you are having sex. For example, in typical use, the effectiveness of condoms against pregnancy is 82%. This is the case whether this is*your first time having sex*or your 300th time. This does not mean that if you have sex 100 times, that you will get pregnant on your 82nd time (or any time after that). It also does not mean that you have an 82% chance of not getting pregnant.

Effectiveness of Condoms Against Pregnancy

The failure rate of condoms in couples which use them consistently and correctly is estimated to be about 3% during the first year of use. However, the true failure rate during that time period is estimated to be about 14%. This marked difference of failure rates reflects usage error. Some couples fail to use condoms with each sexual encounter. Condoms may fail (break or come off) if you use the wrong type of lubricant. Using an oil-based lubricant with a latex*condom*will cause it to fall apart. The condom may not be placed properly on the penis. Also, the man may not use care when withdrawing.

How Often Do Condoms Fail?

I hope your "negligence" doesnt catch up to you.

 

[Lursa]

Abortion isnt safe if youre the one getting murdered. That is like saying its safe to go into an active warzone without a gun.

Still lying about abortion eh? Or perhaps just cant comprehend anything that is outside of your rigidly-held personal beliefs? Doesnt matter tho, since the reality is that abortion isnt murder.

Abortion is 14% safer than pregnancy/childbirth...I see you were unable to actually argue anything I posted. You couldnt even address anything in the post. (that abortion kills the unborn is not in question).

 

[Sheepdog]

Actually, they are not as effective as that.

Why would a woman who has such high standards choose a man that has had dozens of partners and considers them sluts?

My guess is that you are barely twenty, living in your parent's basement with a good internet connection and plenty of lotion and Kleenex.

That is the vibe you give out.

But just so you know....condoms are really only about 85 percent effective. Theoretical effectiveness has nothing to do with reality,

Woman line up for guys like me and its obvious. Im in my early 30s, own my own home, college degree, have a good paying high profile career, respected in the community, go to the gym regularly, eat healthy, and have complete control of my life. In my 20s I was a mess but I got it figured out now and the results speak for themselves.

And above all I have a high IQ and am not afraid to be honest. That is why I say that ABORTION IS MURDER which it clearly is....you have been brainwashed to think its not a human baby and instead its "just a clump of cells". I cant believe there are people to think so lowly of human life to talk about a baby as a clump of cells.

LMAO, I guess you've been having sex pretty irresponsibly then, since you dont even know the actual risks for pregnancy for your chosen bc. You've just been "lucky".



I hope your "negligence" doesnt catch up to you.

Im not negligent, if I get some lucky woman pregnant it will be on purpose.

Still lying about abortion eh? Or perhaps just cant comprehend anything that is outside of your rigidly-held personal beliefs? Doesnt matter tho, since the reality is that abortion isnt murder.

Abortion is 14% safer than pregnancy/childbirth...I see you were unable to actually argue anything I posted. You couldnt even address anything in the post. (that abortion kills the unborn is not in question).

Abortion murders the unborn human child, yes.

 

[Lursa]

Woman line up for guys like me and its obvious. Im in my early 30s, own my own home, college degree, have a good paying high profile career, respected in the community, go to the gym regularly, eat healthy, and have complete control of my life. In my 20s I was a mess but I got it figured out now and the results speak for themselves.

And above all I have a high IQ and am not afraid to be honest. That is why I say that ABORTION IS MURDER which it clearly is....you have been brainwashed to think its not a human baby and instead its "just a clump of cells". I cant believe there are people to think so lowly of human life to talk about a baby as a clump of cells.

Im not negligent, if I get some lucky woman pregnant it will be on purpose.

Abortion murders the unborn human child, yes.

Sorry, there isnt a single believable thing in your post. Nada. LOL, your posts themselves demonstrate that it's all false. (Case in point: believing condoms are 99.9% effective :roll

And if abortion was murder, Mr. High IQ, why arent women arrested and charged with murder?

(And even the currently proposed stricter abortion laws have all been blocked so far)

 

[year2late]

Woman line up for guys like me and its obvious. Im in my early 30s, own my own home, college degree, have a good paying high profile career, respected in the community, go to the gym regularly, eat healthy, and have complete control of my life. In my 20s I was a mess but I got it figured out now and the results speak for themselves.

And above all I have a high IQ and am not afraid to be honest. That is why I say that ABORTION IS MURDER which it clearly is....you have been brainwashed to think its not a human baby and instead its "just a clump of cells". I cant believe there are people to think so lowly of human life to talk about a baby as a clump of cells.



Im not negligent, if I get some lucky woman pregnant it will be on purpose.



Abortion murders the unborn human child, yes.

Sure they line up for guys like you.:lamo

The bigger your stories get, the more Kleenex and lotion we know you need.

Your story has incel written all over it.

 

[Sheepdog]

Sure they line up for guys like you.:lamo

The bigger your stories get, the more Kleenex and lotion we know you need.

Your story has incel written all over it.

Dont believe me then I dont give a **** LOL especially what someone who supports murdering babies thinks.

 

[Sheepdog]

Sorry, there isnt a single believable thing in your post. Nada. LOL, your posts themselves demonstrate that it's all false. (Case in point: believing condoms are 99.9% effective :roll

And if abortion was murder, Mr. High IQ, why arent women arrested and charged with murder?

(And even the currently proposed stricter abortion laws have all been blocked so far)

Abortion is legal to keep the stupid population down (human weeds as your hero Margaret Sanger said) which I am completely fine with. Its not because its not murder LOL...its a eugenics program.

 

[Lursa]

Dont believe me then I dont give a **** LOL especially what someone who supports murdering babies thinks.

We dont. It's esp. obvious because all you can discuss is you and stuff that isnt even accurate.

We're here for a discussion...you seem to be here to vent incel frustrations on women. Guess what? We're all better for your lack of attachment.

We've posted the facts and realities of the issue...please try to argue those things, instead of posting falsehoods like 'abortion is murder.' :roll: Again...your own posts clearly demonstrate your IQ and attitude.

 

[Lursa]

Abortion is legal to keep the stupid population down (human weeds as your hero Margaret Sanger said) which I am completely fine with. Its not because its not murder LOL...its a eugenics program.

Great, please source your opinion on that reason for abortion being legal.

And btw, basing today's views and status of abortion on Margaret Sanger are like basing today's views on society and blacks based on Thomas Jefferson...FF and slave owner. :doh

Please try to move forward to current society and relevance.

Also, can you explain why you are continually railing against abortion as 'murder,' yet completely endorsing it (again) for other races? Please...articulate your position here.

]Dont believe me then I dont give a **** LOL especially what someone who supports murdering babies thinks[/B].

So you dont even support yourself? :lamo

(And there's a long list of your posts where you are crowing about abortions in inner cities and for non-whites. We can produce those too.)

 

[Sheepdog]

Great, please source your opinion on that reason for abortion being legal.

And btw, basing today's views and status of abortion on Margaret Sanger are like basing today's views on society and blacks based on Thomas Jefferson...FF and slave owner. :doh

Please try to move forward to current society and relevance.

Also, can you explain why you are continually railing against abortion as 'murder,' yet completely endorsing it (again) for other races? Please...articulate your position here.



So you dont even support yourself? :lamo

I dont support murdering babies, unlike you.

 

[Lursa]

I dont support murdering babies, unlike you.

Yes you do? You just wrote that you do and you have in many other posts:

Abortion is legal to keep the stupid population down (human weeds as your hero Margaret Sanger said) which I am completely fine with. Its not because its not murder LOL...its a eugenics program.

:doh Do you not even understand your own words?

 

[Sheepdog]

Yes you do? You just wrote that you do and you have in many other posts:

:doh Do you not even understand your own words?

Apathy is not support...a tshirt is not a bra.