POLL: Would terrorists be swayed by a "system of compassion?"

[stevecanuck]

Re: POLL: Would terrorists be swayed by a "system of compassion?"

Let's cut the semantics; would anyone (including this detestable lady herself) dare to say we should show compassion to Brenton Tarrant, the convicted white supremacist who killed 49 innocent Muslims a few weeks ago? What about Timothy McVeigh? Should the US issue a public apology for giving him a harsh sentence too? Guy was probably just a loner who needed to be shown some compassion after all.

Oh no I forgot - the special rules should only apply to Muslims.

Of course, you can only shut off your brain for so long to believe that terrorism is motivated by personal alienation or lack of compassion. If this was true we would've seen a huge spike in Jewish terrorism around WWII due to the way Jews were mistreated. We would've also seen a huge spike in terrorism by gay people given that their very existence was seen as an abomination and they were alienated by both the government and the whole world for centuries.

Then there's the fact that Muslims in the Middle East have a government that gives them unrestricted mob rule to stone anyone to death for offending them. They get free perks and abolish anyone that dares disagree with them. Somehow I don't think despite being shown so much compassion and freedom they would be willing to return the favour. Most of the perpetrators behind the Sri Lanka bombings a few days ago were from a rich family that probably never had to work or worry about alienation. Oh look the bombs still went off.

Think better, Ilmar Ohan.

Some people did something in Sri Lanka.

 

[Marco Montana]

Yeah, that's standard for the Abrahamic religions: Convert or die!

Luke 19: “but those enemies of mine who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here, and kill them in front of me.”

John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in me, he shall be cast outside as the branch and whither; and they shall gather them up and cast them into the fire, and they shall burn"

Yes, I see Christians and Catholics slaying people and beheading them every other day, raping women throwing gays off roof tops! Great point!

 

[TheParser]

If I had my druthers, those terrorists would be executed.

I assume that they murdered people.

We should have compassion for the murdered people's families, not their killers.

Those terrorists chose to do what they did. They should be man enough to accept the consequences.

That Congresswoman should refrain from discussing the matter.

 

[snakestretcher]

Ilhan Omar thinks so. I do not.

Here's the text of her Nov 8 letter pleading for leniency of nine convicted terrorists. Agree with her or disagree?

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As you undoubtedly deliberate with great caution the sentencing of nine recently convicted Somali-American men, I bring to your attention the ramifications of sentencing young men who made a consequential mistake to decades in federal prison. Incarcerating 20-year-old men for 30 or 40 years is essentially a life sentence. Society will have no expectations of the to be 50- or 60-year-old released prisoners; it will view them with distrust and revulsion. Such punitive measures not only lack efficacy, they inevitably create an environment in which extremism can flourish, aligning with the presupposition of terrorist recruitment: “Americans do not accept you and continue to trivialize your value. Instead of being a nobody, be a martyr.”

The best deterrent to fanaticism is a system of compassion. We must alter our attitude and approach; if we truly want to affect [sic] change, we should refocus our efforts on inclusion and rehabilitation. A long-term prison sentence for one who chose violence to combat direct marginalization is a statement that our justice system misunderstands the guilty. A restorative approach to justice assesses the lure of criminality and addresses it.

The desire to commit violence is not inherent to people — it is the consequence of systematic alienation; people seek violent solutions when the process established for enacting change is inaccessible to them. Fueled by disaffection turned to malice, if the guilty were willing to kill and be killed fighting perceived injustice, imagine the consequence of them hearing, “I believe you can be rehabilitated. I want you to become part of my community, and together we will thrive.”

Compassion for the brainwashed doesn't work. These idiots are brainwashed and programmed to kill the innocent, irrespective of their age, nationality, gender or faith. I'm not one for capital punishment, but life without parole in solitary confinement would seem appropriate punishment.

 

[snakestretcher]

Agreed.



Not all of the Saudis are toxic or violent. Just the Wahhabi Islamic sect.

Believe it or not, the present King of Saudia Arabia is a reformer, moving more to moderate some long held restrictions such as women driving and holding jobs, if I recall correctly.

But not public beheading for apostacy or atheism. No, that would mean dragging them out of the Bronze Age, and I don't think they're quite ready for the 21st century.

 

[jimbo]

Anything that de-radicalizes a radicalized man and prevents him from committing violence, I'm all for.

There's only one thing that de-radicalize. And I'm all for it.

 

[eohrnberger]

But not public beheading for apostacy or atheism. No, that would mean dragging them out of the Bronze Age, and I don't think they're quite ready for the 21st century.

They are a sovereign nation with their own culture. :shrug:

Doesn't mean that I either condone or support such actions, only acknowledging their right to conduct their own internal affairs as they see fit.

 

[snakestretcher]

They are a sovereign nation with their own culture. :shrug:

Doesn't mean that I either condone or support such actions, only acknowledging their right to conduct their own internal affairs as they see fit.

Fair enough point of view, but tacitly condoning behaviour by not condemning it, while at the same time doing business and profiting from it just leaves a bad taste. South Africa and Apartheid comes to mind.

Category:Boycotts of apartheid South Africa - Wikipedia

 

[eohrnberger]

Fair enough point of view, but tacitly condoning behaviour by not condemning it, while at the same time doing business and profiting from it just leaves a bad taste. South Africa and Apartheid comes to mind.

Category:Boycotts of apartheid South Africa - Wikipedia

Realistically, condemning such actions isn't going to change their culture. They kinda have to do that on their own. The White House did condemn the Kashogi murder.

Business is business and national interests are national interests, and are separate from condemnation of societies and the actions they take on their own citizens. Not sure if conjoining them is really in the best interests of the nations.

 

[Phys251]

There's only one thing that de-radicalize. And I'm all for it.

Brute force is sometimes necessary against terrorists. But not always. There are nonviolent ways of deprogramming them.

But if they strike, then they must be treated accordingly.

 

[jimbo]

Brute force is sometimes necessary against terrorists. But not always. There are nonviolent ways of deprogramming them.

But if they strike, then they must be treated accordingly.

I disagree. If they don't strike, and not even thinking about it, they're not terrorists.