Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist

[Logician Man]

Didn't I already ask you not to bother me anymore with your nonsense?

It's not nonsense. It's a fair question. I answer your questions when you ask. It's only fair you answer mine, don't you think ?

 

[marke]

define 'brainwashed'

Deceived by the devil. Like Darwinian supporters of fiction evolution science.

 

[Logician Man]

Deceived by the devil. Like Darwinian supporters of fiction evolution science.

define 'fiction evolution science'..then demonstrate that a devil actually exists without using a holy text which is the claim, not the proof.

 

[marke]

define 'fiction evolution science'..then demonstrate that a devil actually exists without using a holy text which is the claim, not the proof.

Secularists deceived by the devil don't generally even believe the devil exists, and they generally cannot possibly see what is wrong with Darwinian evolution speculations.

 

[Logician Man]

Secularists deceived by the devil don't generally even believe the devil exists, and they generally cannot possibly see what is wrong with Darwinian evolution speculations.

Demonstrate any devil actually exists without using any holy texts which are claims only....not the proof

 

[marke]

Demonstrate any devil actually exists without using any holy texts which are claims only....not the proof

People close their eyes tightly and imagine things about the unseen world that are not true. Don't trust your eyes to give you clear evidence of things that really exist in the unseen spiritual world.

 

[Logician Man]

People close their eyes tightly and imagine things about the unseen world that are not true. Don't trust your eyes to give you clear evidence of things that really exist in the unseen spiritual world.

Stop with the dodging and demonstrate any devil actually exists. Otherwise we can all assume you are just whistling dixie as usual.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

define 'fiction evolution science'..then demonstrate that a devil actually exists without using a holy text which is the claim, not the proof.

"Fiction Evolution Science" - "Something that is not set out in the absolutely infallible three different and conflicting versions of 'Creation' set out in the 'Book of Genesis' in 'The Bible'".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

People close their eyes tightly and imagine things about the unseen world that are not true.

I absolutely agree, why there are people who actually believe that Mr. Trump has a clue as to what he is doing and that he is NOT acting out of personal financial/fame motives.

 

[Captain America]

This may be from my personal bias, but it seems that the republicans description of democrats seem to be less harsh than vice versa. I may be mistaken, though. Anyone else noticed this?

My observations have been the exact opposite.

 

[marke]

I absolutely agree, why there are people who actually believe that Mr. Trump has a clue as to what he is doing and that he is NOT acting out of personal financial/fame motives.

Democrat socialists hate Trump and say bad things about him because he is an obstacle to their efforts to redirect American values towards atheism and Marxism.

 

[Obscurity]

This may be from my personal bias, but it seems that the republicans description of democrats seem to be less harsh than vice versa. I may be mistaken, though. Anyone else noticed this?

Generally speaking, republicans and conservatives in general buck the social trend and changing social climate, hence why they are labeled racist and sexist. For example, refusing to recognize marriage of gays, despite the fact it's not the individual complaining's business who marries whom.

It also does not help that the average racist tends to be a republican, not a democrat. Democrat platform includes loosening immigration and rhetoric around elevating minorities. That doesn't exactly draw in a crowd of white nationalists.

Tie into this the cult like following of Donald Trump, a nativist authoritarian that has actively engaged the worst demons of our nature, by fear mongering, blameshifting, scapegoating, etc, which has whipped the right into a frenzy over plenty of social issues.

The dims are not much better, but the reality here is that the right is labeled these things because on an overarching scale, they attract these types of people with their platforms.

"Plenty of good people on both sides."

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Democrat socialists hate Trump and say bad things about him because he is an obstacle to their efforts to redirect American values towards atheism and Marxism.

Obviously you aren't familiar with very many of the leaders/founders of "Democratic Socialism" and also think that there is something (on the world's range of political opinions) that can legitimately called "left-wing" in mainstream American politics.

Did you know that the US Democrat Party is about as "left-wing" as Canada's Conservative Party of Canada?

Or is your real problem that the United States of America doesn't enforce the tenets of your particular version of "Religion" and force everyone in the whole country to act the way that your particular version of "Religion" dictates they should act?

 

[Jack Hays]

Speaking of Hate, Rep.-elect Omar Promotes It
Scott W. Johnson, RealClearPolitics

 

[uptower]

I'm pointing out correlation NOT causality.

If the social conditions between "Blacks" and "Whites" were reversed, then the correlation would also be reversed.

That's a really good observation. But a racist will bring it up at the wrong moment to make it look like causality, thereby tarring whichever minority is involved.

I suspect that your actual point is that the "public face" of BOTH parties doesn't actually represent the majority of the party's supporters - and I think that you are probably correct.

Indeed, Americans are a lot more centrist than the two parties and their media wings give them credit for.

 

[marke]

Obviously you aren't familiar with very many of the leaders/founders of "Democratic Socialism" and also think that there is something (on the world's range of political opinions) that can legitimately called "left-wing" in mainstream American politics.

Did you know that the US Democrat Party is about as "left-wing" as Canada's Conservative Party of Canada?

Or is your real problem that the United States of America doesn't enforce the tenets of your particular version of "Religion" and force everyone in the whole country to act the way that your particular version of "Religion" dictates they should act?

Americans embraced Christian values for hundreds of years until more modern Muslims, atheists, agnostics, and uncivilized barbarians in general found greater support from anarchist mobs to rebel against God and God bless America.

 

[Phys251]

From FOX News

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist
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Nov. 17, 2018 - 4:53 - Over 60 percent of Democrats polled by Axios think Republicans are bad people.

COMMENT:-

FIRST - My apologies, but that's all that I could get from the link, and I couldn't find a text link to the actual FOX News report (hopefully you will have better luck), so I went straight to the Axios poll.

SECOND - The statement is accurate according to the Axios poll.

THIRD - Once you read the Axios poll, you can see what "selective reporting" is all about.

FOURTH - When you consider that what the Axios poll actually reported was that:

1. 21% of Democrats think Republicans are evil, and about the same share of Republicans (23%) think Democrats are evil;
2. Of the 22% (of Democrats) who provided open-ended descriptions of Republicans, responses included: selfish, greedy, corrupt, spineless, fearful and bad; and
3. Of the 26% (of Republicans) who provided open-ended descriptions of Democrats, responses included: socialist, angry, hypocritical, uniformed, power-hungry and violent;

you start to understand what the problem is - you can understand and work with those who "have a different opinion" but you cannot understand and work with those who "are evil".

As Axios says

The bottom line: Both parties are being redefined around the extreme emotions shaping extremely ugly views of each other. That means that, as the midterm elections proved, there's less room for moderates or centrists in the current political environment — a dynamic that's likely to get worse before it gets better.
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It is false that most Republicans are racists, but it is true that most racists are Republicans.​

 

[Phys251]

Americans embraced Christian values for hundreds of years until more modern Muslims, atheists, agnostics, and uncivilized barbarians in general found greater support from anarchist mobs to rebel against God and God bless America.

:devil:

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That's a really good observation. But a racist will bring it up at the wrong moment to make it look like causality, thereby tarring whichever minority is involved.

A "racist" will ignore the fact that BOTH sides in the "BLM/BLM" controversy have legitimate reasons for their belief that the other side is statistically more likely to kill them than some other demographic is.

Indeed, Americans are a lot more centrist than the two parties and their media wings give them credit for.

Since I think that I know what you are getting at, I'm not going to quibble at "centrist", I'm just going to read it as "American centrist".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And, continuing in our series of totally non-responsive regurgitation of cant and slogan we have today's entry.

Americans embraced Christian values for hundreds of years until more modern Muslims, atheists, agnostics, and uncivilized barbarians in general found greater support from anarchist mobs to rebel against God and God bless America.

I rather suspect that you haven't the foggiest idea on how "Christian values" differ from "Muslim values", "Jewish values", "Atheist values", and just about any other set of "values".

I also rather suspect that you have a pretty poor idea on how "Christian dogma" differs from "Christian values".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It is false that most Republicans are racists, ...

Which has what to do with whether or not "Group A" thinks that they are?

...but it is true that most racists are Republicans.

Which proves exactly what?

If the "population" of "Republicans" is 35,000,000 and there is a sub-set of that population consisting of 10,001 "racists", and if the"population" of "Democrats" is 35,000,000 and there is a sub-set of that population consisting of 10,000 "racists", then the statement "Most racists are Republicans." is true - isn't it?

PS - You do realize that any reasonably intelligent person in the United States of America who seeks political power will realize that they have to (at least claim to) be either a "Republican" or a "Democrat" if they want to have any statistical chance of doing so, don't you?

During the last election an openly avowed "racist" ran under the "Republican Party" label. They were able to do so because the real "Republican Party" didn't nominate a candidate. If that person had been running in an electoral district in which the Republicans had nominated a candidate and the Democrats had not, what party's label do you think they would have run under?

 

[uptower]

A "racist" will ignore the fact that BOTH sides in the "BLM/BLM" controversy have legitimate reasons for their belief that the other side is statistically more likely to kill them than some other demographic is.

Racism however is not a statistic - it's a feeling. It's an idea. It is qualitative, not quantitative. As I said before statistics are harmless until used as a stick to blame 'the other'.

I doubt BLM who rail against police brutality, unfairness or perceived imbalance in the criminal justice system and the danger of random 'death by cop' are going to put down their placards just because it is pointed out that some black neighborhoods are really dangerous and they've a higher likelihood of being shot by a gangbanger. They already knew that. They still feel discrimination from society all the same.

 

[Phys251]

Which has what to do with whether or not "Group A" thinks that they are?

Which proves exactly what?

Are you seriously asking me to explain a childishly simple concept to you? Yeah, you are. So let me remind you of an old quote: A person is known by the company they keep.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Racism however is not a statistic - it's a feeling. It's an idea. It is qualitative, not quantitative. As I said before statistics are harmless until used as a stick to blame 'the other'.

I doubt BLM who rail against police brutality, unfairness or perceived imbalance in the criminal justice system and the danger of random 'death by cop' are going to put down their placards just because it is pointed out that some black neighborhoods are really dangerous and they've a higher likelihood of being shot by a gangbanger. They already knew that. They still feel discrimination from society all the same.

You are (regrettably) correct.

On the other hand I doubt that the Blue Lives Matter people who minimize every fatal action by the police will put down their placards just because it is pointed out that some police officers really are dangerous and that "Blacks" DO have a higher likelihood of being shot by a police officer.

In short, EACH side is wedded to the position that IT is pristine and an innocent victim while the other side is 100% at fault for everything.

This is sort of like two foxes fighting over a single egg in that NEITHER one of them is actually going to get the egg (but they'll be damned if they are going to let the other one have any share of it).

 

[uptower]

EACH side is wedded to the position that IT is pristine and an innocent victim while the other side is 100% at fault for everything.

All too often this is true